Blacks commit proportionately more crime than whites

Affable · 25-05-2008 06:49PM

Ciaran500 wrote: »

I assume these are the poorer parts of the city's aswell?

To some extent, but there are other poor areas which don't suffer like that.

Dudess · 25-05-2008 06:50PM

Affable wrote: »

No, and it's not racist, it's just a statement of facts.

You're blaming these high levels of crime on race, not socio-economic factors. That pretty much defines racism.

Affable · 25-05-2008 06:52PM

Dudess wrote: »

You're blaming these high levels of crime on race, not socio-economic factors. That pretty much defines racism.

Are you discounting the possibility of mental differences between ethnic groups?

Dudess · 25-05-2008 06:54PM

Yes I certainly am. I'm Irish and I wouldn't fukking appreciate stereotypes/caricatures of Irish people like there were in the British and American press in the 19th century - why? Because I know they're not true of all Irish people.

Kold · 25-05-2008 06:55PM

There is no criminal gene for f*cks sake. Poverty and background contribute to difference in these statistics and even then they're not set in stone. Also, you're forgetting that law is not a universal good.

Anyone who holds this opinion is a f*cking moron.

Susannahmia · 25-05-2008 06:58PM

Affable wrote: »

Yup same in the UK. All the areas with highest gun crime-Moss side, Brixton, Lambeth, Hackney etc, are all west-indian areas. It's not a coincidence ffs. It's the same in Paris too.?

Could it be a class, access or poverty issue maybe.:rolleyes:

Affable wrote: »

One should look more generally at Africa in relation to Asia, Europe etc. Why is it so far behind and chaotic? None of it is for 'genetic' reasons?

Uh how about...colonialism, desertification, climate, lack of resources, the stealing of resources by the first world, the globalization of production methods etc

KnifeWRENCH · 25-05-2008 06:58PM

Affable wrote: »

Yup same in the UK. All the areas with highest gun crime-Moss side, Brixton, Lambeth, Hackney etc, are all west-indian areas. It's not a coincidence ffs. It's the same in Paris too.

This is due to socio-economic factors, not because they're black. There is generally more violent crime in poorer areas, regardless which race makes up the majority of that area.

Affable wrote:

One should look more generally at Africa in relation to Asia, Europe etc. Why is it so far behind and chaotic? None of it is for 'genetic' reasons?

Oh yes, it's because they're black. Nothing to do with colonisation and world trade patterns at all. :pac:

Sherifu · 25-05-2008 07:02PM

I think I liked him better when he gave no opinion. :pac:

Affable · 25-05-2008 07:03PM

square_igloo wrote: »

This is due to socio-economic factors, not because they're black. There is generally more violent crime in poorer areas, regardless which race makes up the majority of that area.

Yeah, if that's the case, then why is it that a higher proportion of blacks dwell in these areas than other groups? Why are they deprived and haven't they made it out of these areas? And don't tell me it's discrimination, why wouldn't(for example) far east asians suffer just as much discrimination?

Dudess · 25-05-2008 07:04PM

Obviously simply because they're black, no other reason.

A good policy here:

Saying it's not historical is a load of bollocks. Foundations are set which can have deep resonance for centuries.

Affable · 25-05-2008 07:05PM

Susannahmia wrote: »

Uh how about...colonialism, desertification, climate, lack of resources, the stealing of resources by the first world, the globalization of production methods etc

I keep hearing the old colonialism excuse. Are you seriously telling me that's responsible for all their woes? Besides the North Africans, the moors, it was never that successful before colonialism, and why did the nations that got indpendence get worse when Europen nations withdrew?
As for climate, wtf? India is hot, China suffers extreme hot and cold, yet they have done way better.

Affable · 25-05-2008 07:08PM

Kold wrote: »

There is no criminal gene for f*cks sake.
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No-ones suggesting that it's that crude. Doesn't mean it's not perfectly reasonable to assume there are genes involved in psychological differences that go along with physical differences between ethnic groups.

Kold · 25-05-2008 07:08PM

Because of cultural difference. There are lots of different things that contribute to what you do. Physical attributes, background, the chemicals produced in your brain, intelligence. The problem is that not everyone from a race shares these factors so by saying they do, you are being a bigot.

Gummy Panda · 25-05-2008 07:08PM

Affable wrote: »

As for climate, wtf? India is hot, China suffers extreme hot and cold, yet they have done way better.

because climate is simply hot or cold :rolleyes:

Affable · 25-05-2008 07:09PM

Dudess wrote: »

Saying it's not historical is a load of bollocks. Foundations are set which can have deep resonance for centuries.

Irish people were oppressed for ages. Do you see them using that as an excuse for street crime?

KnifeWRENCH · 25-05-2008 07:10PM

Affable wrote: »

Yeah, if that's the case, then why is it that a higher proportion of blacks dwell in these areas than other groups?

Err....because they're poorer? Many African immigrants come to this country with barely 2 euros to rub together.

Affable wrote:

Why are they deprived and haven't they made it out of these areas?

More than likely they haven't enjoyed a decent education, so there are not many high-paid jobs out there for them. Ireland and the UK are fairly expensive places to live in, they will not probably earn enough money to make it out of these areas.
Or perhaps they like where they are living and the violence there is blown out of proportion by the media.

Kold · 25-05-2008 07:11PM

Affable wrote: »

Irish people were oppressed for ages. Do you see them using that as an excuse for street crime?

No, some used it as an excuse to murder people.

Dudess · 25-05-2008 07:12PM

Affable wrote: »

I keep hearing the old colonialism excuse. Are you seriously telling me that's responsible for all their woes?

Absolutely without a shadow of a doubt.

Besides the North Africans, the moors, it was never that successful before colonialism

Never that successful? What the fukk are you on about? Define "successful".

why did the nations that got independence get worse when Europen nations withdrew?

Probably, no definitely, because they knew nothing other than oppression and now they didn't know where to turn without some **** telling them what to do. Ditto South America - they're not all black there you know. Oppression breeds oppression. If colonists had just left them alone there wouldn't be the horrors of today.

Affable · 25-05-2008 07:12PM

Kold wrote: »

The problem is that not everyone from a race shares these factors so by saying they do, you are being a bigot.

I'm not denying that there is huge variation within races. The African population has the most genetic diversity of all. Still, doesn't mean there are other subtle ways in which they generally do differ from whites, despite the same ways in which both population vary within themselves.

Affable · 25-05-2008 07:13PM

Kold wrote: »

No, some used it as an excuse to murder people.

Yes, a terrorist organisation, but it's not been used as an excuse for regular, widespread street crime in youths.
Black people saying they are still offending because of slavery or oppression just won't wash anymore. Everything is being engineered to ensure they are not discriminated against, there's plenty of PD too.

Affable · 25-05-2008 07:14PM

Dudess wrote: »

Never that successful? What the fukk are you on about? Define "successful".

Civilised, advanced.

Susannahmia · 25-05-2008 07:15PM

Affable wrote: »

I keep hearing the old colonialism excuse. Are you seriously telling me that's responsible for all their woes? Besides the North Africans, the moors, it was never that successful before colonialism, and why did the nations that got indpendence get worse when Europen nations withdrew?
As for climate, wtf? India is hot, China suffers extreme hot and cold, yet they have done way better.

Colonialism's effects have never ended, in fact rising globalisation has made the effects worse, valuable resources are still taken by the west for a pittance and manufactured in the first world for a huge profit and then sold back to the third world at huge prices, this phemomyn is most prevalent and pronounced in the African continent. Sigh.....I cant believe I even bothered to explain that to you, might as well have went and banged my head against a wall.:rolleyes:

Affable · 25-05-2008 07:18PM

square_igloo wrote: »

More than likely they haven't enjoyed a decent education, so there are not many high-paid jobs out there for them.

Well why is it that more Asians get themselves educated and seemingly have more respect for education? They also start out poor but more often do well.

Dudess · 25-05-2008 07:18PM

Affable wrote: »

Civilised, advanced.

Civilised? What the fukk was so civilised about the atrocities white colonists committed in their droves?
Advanced? So they were agrarian, not embracing of industry. So what? That was their way of life and it was snatched from them by a bunch of thugs.
"Advanced" is subjective. Just because one way of life might seem backward doesn't mean it has to be torn apart.

ronbyrne2005 · 25-05-2008 07:19PM

Those dark skinned arabs and yellow skinned chinks just accidently stummbled upon much more advanced societies when those whites in the west were chasing rabbits and deers around these Islands? Chinese civilissation was miles ahead of the west for ages. and arab/middle eastern scholars were much more advanced than western "white" scholars at time. Historical flukes and subtle trends can change civillisations for centuries.

KnifeWRENCH · 25-05-2008 07:19PM

Affable wrote: »

I keep hearing the old colonialism excuse. Are you seriously telling me that's responsible for all their woes?

Yeah, pretty much.

Affable wrote:

Besides the North Africans, the moors, it was never that successful before colonialism

Owning your own land is considered rather more successful than having land taken off you and being raped and pillaged.

Affable wrote:

India is hot. China suffers extreme hot and cold.

Indeed, that is the only difference. Bulletproof argument there, my friend.

Susannahmia · 25-05-2008 07:21PM

Affable wrote: »

Well why is it that more Asians get themselves educated and seemingly have more respect for education? They also start out poor but more often do well.

I actually gave you that answer when I told you to read the theories of Pierre Bourieu. Stop being lazy!:p

Pythia · 25-05-2008 07:21PM

I'd be in favour of reducing immigration into Ireland full stop...

ronbyrne2005 · 25-05-2008 07:22PM

Can you propose even one mechanism by which the factors that determine skin color could also cause increased tendency to crime as you seem to be saying is the case? What about half cast people? Are they more likely than whites to commit crimes? What about Albinos?, are they the lowest risks for criminality? Because the only difference between all is subtle physical features and levels of pigment in skin.

WindSock · 25-05-2008 07:23PM

From the flawless logic link you gave:

Between 2001 and 2003, blacks committed, on average, 15,400 black-on-white rapes per year, while whites averaged only 900 white-on-black rapes per year.

Only 900 rapes of White on Blacks. That's a pitiful amount, surely they could have done better.

Blacks commit proportionately more crime than whites

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