Blacks commit proportionately more crime than whites

Karoma · 25-05-2008 06:03PM

Affable wrote: »

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/color.htm

Something for you.

*hands Affable a gun and a map to his feet*

Dudess · 25-05-2008 06:04PM

Affable wrote: »

Perhaps you could try and be more objective rather than just instantly hating me for saying something un-PC.

Yawn. There's that lazy, overused expression again. The hostile reception you're getting has fukk all to do with whether it's PC or not, it's to do with the fact that the statement is very ignorant and very stupid.

Affable · 25-05-2008 06:05PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

That isn't a very reputable source. Also some of those "stats" are for crimes by black against whites (and the reverse). What does it matter that the crime was against someone of a different race? If someone robs my house it doesn't make the crime less severe just because it is done by someone of the same race as me?

Why is it not reputable and what would you class as reputable?
You're right that colour of the victim maybe should not have been included, still doesn't detract from the picture those stats paint though does it?

Affable · 25-05-2008 06:06PM

Dudess wrote: »

The hostile reception you're getting has fukk all to do with whether it's PC or not, it's to do with the fact that the statement is very ignorant and very stupid.

And very true.:rolleyes:

Dudess · 25-05-2008 06:07PM

Wow, what a troll! So are you going to prove this "truth" or what?

Susannahmia · 25-05-2008 06:07PM

Affable wrote: »

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/color.htm

Something for you.

Thats hardly an accredited or scholarly article now is it? Go read Bourdieu, Durkheim, Ritzer, Dan Pence, J Fields, Linda Faye Williams. Educate yourself and then you might just be taken seriously.

Karl Hungus · 25-05-2008 06:08PM

Affable wrote: »

And very true.:rolleyes:

It's also true that males commit proportionately more crime than females, what do you propose we do about this?

Dudess · 25-05-2008 06:13PM

No word from Affable in a while. I presume (s)he is writing a detailed explanation of how (s)he came to this gem of a conclusion...

ART6 · 25-05-2008 06:13PM

Perhaps the problem is uncontrolled immigration? First, let me make my position clear before anyone accuses me of racism (the buzz word nowadays).

My only daughter wanted to marry a lad whose skin is so black we can't find him in the dark. I not only gave my blessing, but also encouraged her, because he was and is the straightest, most genuine guy I have met in years. His parents, brothers, sisters, are lovely people and we have all, as an enlarged family group, enjoyed many happy hours together, learning from each other and laughing hyterically at each others "racist" jokes.

So, having got that off my chest, Ireland and the UK seem to have an open door policy that lets anyone in irrespective of whether or not they are going to assimilate and contribute. We have issues of whether or not a girl in school should be allowed to wear a hijab. We have black drug gangs from Jamaica and elsewhere starting feuds and killing people. We have Muslims preaching hate towards us and telling us that their target is that we all become Shia Muslims.

The solution, I suspect, is the US and Australian model. "What do you bring?" If your intention is simply economic migration, to take advantage of our society, don't bother."

Dudess · 25-05-2008 06:16PM

I don't see how that would cause blacks to commit proportionately more crime than whites though...

Affable · 25-05-2008 06:18PM

Susannahmia wrote: »

Thats hardly an accredited or scholarly article now is it? Go read Bourdieu, Durkheim, Ritzer, Dan Pence, J Fields, Linda Faye Williams. Educate yourself and then you might just be taken seriously.

You won't impress me with fancy names. I come from a distinguished academic family and know not to take these people as divine authorities..
Anyway science (and politics) are not completely objective, they can be influenced by not wanting to come up with conclusions that offend.

Are people seriously trying to tell me that the stats I produced contain no element of truth?

AlmightyCushion · 25-05-2008 06:19PM

ART6 wrote: »

Perhaps the problem is uncontrolled immigration? First, let me make my position clear before anyone accuses me of racism (the buzz word nowadays).

My only daughter wanted to marry a lad whose skin is so black we can't find him in the dark. I not only gave my blessing, but also encouraged her, because he was and is the straightest, most genuine guy I have met in years. His parents, brothers, sisters, are lovely people and we have all, as an enlarged family group, enjoyed many happy hours together, learning from each other and laughing hyterically at each others "racist" jokes.

So, having got that off my chest, Ireland and the UK seem to have an open door policy that lets anyone in irrespective of whether or not they are going to assimilate and contribute. We have issues of whether or not a girl in school should be allowed to wear a hijab. We have black drug gangs from Jamaica and elsewhere starting feuds and killing people. We have Muslims preaching hate towards us and telling us that their target is that we all become Shia Muslims.

The solution, I suspect, is the US and Australian model. "What do you bring?" If your intention is simply economic migration, to take advantage of our society, don't bother."

I would agree with you to a certain degree but the question should be "Will you contribute?" If someone is here to work and make an honest living then let them come over. If they just want to sponge then they send them back. Also any foreigner who has a serious crime on their record within a certain period of time should not be allowed to enter.

Wertz · 25-05-2008 06:22PM

Affable wrote: »

I come from a distinguished academic family

So you're the black sheep then yeah?

Susannahmia · 25-05-2008 06:23PM

Affable wrote: »

You won't impress me with fancy names. I come from a distinguished academic family and know not to take these people as divine authorities..

Are people seriously trying to tell me that the stats I produced contain no element of truth?

Yes but unlike you they put a lot of research into what they were saying, they were just a few examples go do your own with proper sources (not crappy made up internet ones) and maybe we will take you seriously.

Susannahmia · 25-05-2008 06:25PM

Wertz wrote: »

So you're the black sheep then yeah?

lol

Affable · 25-05-2008 06:26PM

Susannahmia wrote: »

Yes but unlike you they put a lot of research into what they were saying.

Doesn't mean that not wanting to offend can't tarnish their objectivity.

Dudess · 25-05-2008 06:27PM

Affable wrote: »

You won't impress me with fancy names. I come from a distinguished academic family and know not to take these people as divine authorities..

That's put you on my trolldar... please get off.

Are people seriously trying to tell me that the stats I produced contain no element of truth?

Oh I've no doubt it is the case in many places (it would be nice if you could actually narrow it down to specific places though instead of just using the all-encompassing term "blacks" - a tad vague don't ya think?)
But the extraordinarily dumb part of your opening post about how this could mean bad news if we let "blacks" into this country is what's most bothersome. Because that indicates you feel these stats are down to just race rather than socio-economic reasons. If we're going to go down the eugenics road - i.e. blaming skin colour/race for particular tendencies - then tell me this: what race is responsible for genocides, slavery, the rape of entire continents etc in the name of "civilisation"? Oh yeah... the white race.

Dudess · 25-05-2008 06:28PM

Affable wrote: »

Doesn't mean that not wanted to offend can't tarnish their objectivity.

What the hell does that mean?

Anyway, we're waiting on back-up. Thanks.

Affable · 25-05-2008 06:30PM

Dudess wrote: »

That's put you on my trolldar... please get off.

Oh I've no doubt it is the case in many places (it would be nice if you could actually narrow it down to specific places though instead of just using the all-encompassing term "blacks" - a tad vague don't ya think?)
But the extraordinarily dumb part of your opening post about how this could mean bad news if we let "blacks" into this country is what's most bothersome. Because that indicates you feel these stats are down to just race rather than socio-economic reasons. If we're going to go down the eugenics road - i.e. blaming skin colour/race for particular tendencies - then tell me this: what race is responsible for genocides, slavery, the rape of entire continents etc in the name of "civilisation"? Oh yeah... the white race.

Actually the Africans are quite partial to the old genocide also, that's not just whites. Africans also enslaved other Africans left right and centre, it still happens to this day. And the empire was mutually beneficial, Africa's been worse since independence.

Affable · 25-05-2008 06:31PM

Dudess wrote: »

What the hell does that mean?
.

It means that people will sometimes avoid the truth if it hurts people's feelings.

Wertz · 25-05-2008 06:31PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I would agree with you to a certain degree but the question should be "Will you contribute?" If someone is here to work and make an honest living then let them come over. If they just want to sponge then they send them back. Also any foreigner who has a serious crime on their record within a certain period of time should not be allowed to enter.

But sure any one coming over here with the intention of sponging their way through life will have no qualms about lying about their intentions to gain access. The yanks and the aussies ask "What do you bring?" and ask for proof, credentials etc....we're just happy to let whoever in and take it for granted that they're all going to do some poxy low paid, long houred job to pay the rent, when all they really have to do is sink their teeth into the social welfare tit...

As for keeping those with serious criminal records out...yeah...but in the majority of cases we're barely checking these people's passports let alone ringing the [insert apt country]'s embassy or whatever to do any background checks. Chances are such a system to allow for checks is barely in place amonst the original EU member states, let alone with the accession states and definitely not with the relevant African countries...

Dudess · 25-05-2008 06:36PM

Affable wrote: »

Actually the Africans are quite partial to the old genocide also, that's not just whites. Africans also enslaved other Africans left right and centre, it still happens to this day.

Oh right. So both races did it but de blacks were worse...

And the empire was mutually beneficial, Africa's been worse since independence.

My, Africa's a rather big place. Be more specific. Really.
And why is Africa worse since independence? That would be the legacy of colonialism. Oppression leads to oppression.

Affable · 25-05-2008 06:38PM

Dudess wrote: »

Oh right. So both races did it but de blacks were worse...

Wasn't what I said. Was just counteracting your assertion.

KnifeWRENCH · 25-05-2008 06:41PM

OP your statistics seem to refer entirely to America. No-one would doubt that there is a lot of crime among the black population in places like Detroit and even in parts of the UK.
But most of the black immigrants coming to Ireland come from impoverished African nations. Many are genuinely seeking asylum to make a better life for themselves, to escape famine and war. Some have to flee just so their daughters won't suffer genital mutilation.
I agree with AlmightyCushion - if they have something to contribute to society and come to work, then they should be allowed stay here.

Your opinion seems to be that crime will get worse if black people keep entering the country. The only correct response to this would have been old rolleyes, but since he is no longer around :rolleyes:

(btw Karoma's replies have been fantastic, I lol'd

)

Dudess · 25-05-2008 06:42PM

Are you a Stormfront regular who decided to bide your time here before launching into the racist drivel?

Affable · 25-05-2008 06:45PM

square_igloo wrote: »

OP your statistics seem to refer entirely to America. No-one would doubt that there is a lot of crime among the black population in places like Detroit and even in parts of the UK.

Yup same in the UK. All the areas with highest gun crime-Moss side, Brixton, Lambeth, Hackney etc, are all west-indian areas. It's not a coincidence ffs. It's the same in Paris too.

One should look more generally at Africa in relation to Asia, Europe etc. Why is it so far behind and chaotic? None of it is for 'genetic' reasons?

Affable · 25-05-2008 06:47PM

Dudess wrote: »

Are you a Stormfront regular who decided to bide your time here before launching into the racist drivel?

No, and it's not racist, it's just a statement of facts.

ronbyrne2005 · 25-05-2008 06:47PM

Not-very-Affable, even if black people commit proportionately more crime it is'nt because they is black. Think about where majority of worlds black people are? The poor parts of the world and the poor parts of western countries. Maybe if you said "Blacks commit properportionately more crime than whites likely as a result of socioeconomic, cultural/environmental factors" you might get a better response.

Ciaran500 · 25-05-2008 06:47PM

Affable wrote: »

Yup same in the UK. All the areas with highest gun crime-Moss side, Brixton, Lambeth, Hackney etc, are all west-indian areas. It's not a coincidence ffs. It's the same in Paris too.

One should look more generally at Africa in relation to Asia, Europe etc. Why is it so far behind and chaotic? None of it is for 'genetic' reasons?

I assume these are the poorer parts of the city's aswell?

Dudess · 25-05-2008 06:48PM

Affable wrote: »

One should look more generally at Africa in relation to Asia, Europe etc. Why is it so far behind and chaotic? None of it is for 'genetic' reasons?

Nope, like I said: it's the legacy of colonialism. Your views are hateful.

Blacks commit proportionately more crime than whites

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