I want criminal sentences in Ireland increased and more rights for victims, How?

dublindude wrote: »

Something I've often thought - do you ever notice scumbags are uneducated? Does this mean we're all naturally scumbags but it gets educated out of us, or is it just a coincidence?

Scumbags is also a loaded word. It's weighted towards a certain category of criminal. If someone talks about scumbags committing crime, I'd say most of us instantly picture men in tracksuits robbing handbags or starting fights, rather than middle-class people opening bogus non-resident accounts or beating their husbands.

Some other factors might be that it is harder for uneducated people to get out of the social and economic sinkholes that breed so much crime, and harder for people born in them to get education. And it's easier for educated people and their kids to avoid the consequences of their crime. They can navigate the criminal justice system better, and they're more likely to have a social network that includes gardai, judges, and so forth.

Police State FTW YAY!!!

You see the problem here is that crime actaully does pay. If your not particularly well gifted in the brains department and you wanna earn a few euro then simply ripping others off with no downside is a pretty cool idea.

Now if we wanted it all to stop its pretty simple... An 'AUTOMATIC' sentence on conviction of ANY crime of ten years... plus whatever normal time ... and you can get OFF the ten year sentence by agreeing to a GPS based tag.

The GPS based tag would then follow you for ten years...

If you decide you don't want the tag... fair enough that'll be your vitims safe for a full decade at least.

Problem solved... and needless to say if you were a career criminal then your friends would give you a pretty wide berth when they seen your tag!.. if its following you about... its also following them.


Slight change of subject here though ...as I'd rather PREVENT the crime rather than punish the perpetrator...

You see I live about 200 yards from Ballymun... well in fact I practically live IN ballymun... so I'm now in the process of safeguarding the huge amount of money I spent on technology in my home... theres a lot of it... and just in case theres any educated scumbags reading this I'd better not say how much...

So I've decided to install an addition to my home network... basically a proactive security system that will actively use force on an intruder...

It will be computer controlled and autonomous with the ability to inflict reasonable force to protect my property and other occupants.
As during the recent Nally case the rights and responsibilities of the occupier are foremost in my mind here. It wouldn't do to be arrested for my security system killing some little s*it!

This is my primary question… if a system like this accidentally kills an intruder am I responsible? The systems preferred method of incapacitation is mild electrocution. This would increase in intensity to a point where the trespasser is eventually overwhelmed.

I’m giving my rights in this matter to a security system and am therefore using such force by proxy. The system uses biometric data and is not as clever as you or I. like all technology it could be prone to making errors of judgment.

For example at present there is a small chance it might fail to recognize that a trespasser has fallen and hurt themselves and would continue to administer force. Since I’m a programmer I can fix this…but what about all of the possibilities I can’t consider.

A way out or ‘retreat’ would at all times be open to the trespasser if they wish to avail of it. The systems job is to protect my property, itself, occupants and indeed the trespasser and get them out of the house as fast as possible.

From what I read of current legislation this system is okay…from what I’ve read it even complies with the EU convention on human rights. However I would not like to see a point in the future where I’m charged with manslaughter because some stupid burglar decided to ignore 10 separate verbal and visual warnings then fell down the stairs as the voltage got higher.

The problem with all this is I'd much prefer the Oklahoma 'MAke My Day' law which says that if someone enters my home, or looks as if they are about too...even if they are unarmed I can blow their f*cking brains out if I feel like it with immunity to prosecution.... but what can you do.. we life in pansy land!

Op I respect the thread is irish based but it could equaly be about Britain .the world and it's dog are crying out for harder punishment and stiffer sentences, up and down the lenght and breath of uk, the ordinary man and womon in the street is screaming it from the roof tops for it ,for all the right reasons and incidents you mention .

I admire the lady who shopped her two sons to the police last week for seriously assulting a man .They are now doing the time .We need more like her

Roundtower2 wrote: »

And yet longer prison sentences in the US do nothing to reduce crime. Interesting.

No but USA has a much larger population and the prisions there are not the namby pamby places like the prisons we have over here. So if sombody commits a crime be it murder ,serious assault , burglary ,theft , he or she knows that a comfy celll with good food and all mod cons awaits them, while the justice system works in their favour to knock a few months or years of their sentence .Giving a choice i would rather go to a brit /irish prison than a USA one (all those movies and documentrys tell their own story )

I like the idea of opening prisons around the british coast away from the mainland ,just like alcatraz .

At least serious criminals are way out of site and mind ,for as along as possible imo .

wyndham wrote: »

Yeah Sinn Fein :rolleyes:

FF, SF, FG, GREEN, etc etc.........tried tested failed

time for new thinking and new parties