'grift'

AlmightyCushion · 23-05-2008 12:31AM

oxo cubes wrote: »

There's a difference between smashing a window and writing on a wall so no I wouldn't be laughing.
Gardai should be focusing on people smashing windows rather than people writing on a wall.

Yes there is a difference but at the end of the day the vast majority of people would have a problem with someone coming along and painting some random crap over their house.

oxo cubes · 23-05-2008 12:31AM

projectmayhem wrote: »

are you going to try and convince me that "grift" is an artist?

yes.

projectmayhem wrote: »

i've yet to see any appealing graffiti in this city. most, if not all graffiti in this city is a dreadful attempt at tagging, and you can't even do that with a bit of artistic integrity.

you'd be hard pushed to find anyone smiling and being challenged by any of the crap in a dart station or around the city. the tagging our city has just makes places look awful, run down and old. it makes the entire city look like west finglas or something.

as AlmightyCushion says "style and art is subjective so what you define as good isn't always the next persons definition of good."

Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean other people don't like it.

projectmayhem wrote: »

as for legalities. a few years ago the art centre that was accross from the temple bar music centre opened up its doors and had a recreational place for teenagers upstairs. it had music, walls for tagging... all that lark. day 1 there was €10k worth of damage done iirc. "famous" taggers have something to say, and probably hate kids who tag their stupid names or monikers everywhere because it takes away their statement or artistic expression.

once you make writing on a wall legal it's no longer graffiti.
"famous "taggers"" are the ones who tag their names everywhere. It doesnt take away from their statement ot artistic expression it makes it.

projectmayhem wrote: »

taggers in dublin don't create art, they create an eyesore. if you lot were actually any good this debate would be completely different

Once again art and style is subjective.

oxo cubes · 23-05-2008 12:34AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Yes there is a difference but at the end of the day the vast majority of people would have a problem with someone coming along and painting some random crap over their house.

The vast majority of "taggers" don't paint random crap over peoples houses. They do it mainly on big businesses and public property.

funk-you · 23-05-2008 12:35AM

This is a grafitti artist:

http://images.google.ie/images?hl=en&q=banksy&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Grift is just some spa who mother wouldn't let him write with a big boy pencil.

-Funk

oxo cubes · 23-05-2008 12:39AM

Grift is a real graffiti artist.
Banksy is just a spa who resorted to using stencils because he wasn't able to use "big boy pencils".

AlmightyCushion · 23-05-2008 12:42AM

oxo cubes wrote: »

The vast majority of "taggers" don't paint random crap over peoples houses. They do it mainly on big businesses and public property.

It's still something that is owned by someone other than them therefore they don't have the right to decided what it should look like.

funk-you · 23-05-2008 12:43AM

oxo cubes wrote: »

Grift is a real graffiti artist.
Banksy is just a spa who resorted to using stencils because he wasnt able to use "big boy pencils".

It's not about the stencils, Banksy is making some form of a statement of expression. His thoughts and views whether he is right or wrong he's creating 'art'

Grift is writing a name....

F/ck it, i might as well stroll around spraying 'Funk is mad' everywhere. Am i an artist now?

I've also been to a couple of Banksys exhibitions and it goes well beyond stencils.

-Funk

oxo cubes · 23-05-2008 12:45AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

It's still something that is owned by someone other than them therefore they don't have the right to decided what it should look like.

I don't really want to sound all philosophical but noone/everyone has the right to decide what anything looks like.

funk-you · 23-05-2008 12:50AM

oxo cubes wrote: »

I don't really want to sound all philosophical but noone/everyone has the right to decide what anything looks like.

yet we all have to/choose to live within a society we created/there are no real possessions blah blah...

Bottom line, i build a wall. i put effort into it, i own it, it's mine. Some spa writes his name on it have i not been wronged?

BTW nice avatar, but if i had done it without your permission would you like it so much?

-Funk

AlmightyCushion · 23-05-2008 12:52AM

oxo cubes wrote: »

I don't really want to sound all philosophical but noone/everyone has the right to decide what anything looks like.

Does no-one/everyone have the right to do whatever they like without consequences? If not, why not?

oxo cubes · 23-05-2008 12:52AM

funk-you wrote: »

It's not about the stencils, Banksy is making some form of a statement of expression. His thoughts and views whether he is right or wrong he's creating 'art'

Grift is writing a name....

F/ck it, i might as well stroll around spraying 'Funk is mad' everywhere. Am i an artist now?

I've also been to a couple of Banksys exhibitions and it goes well beyond stencils.

-Funk

Banksy is an good artist with good views in my opinion
Grift is a better artist in my opinion.

If you go around spraying "funk is mad" everywhere people will decide if they think its art or not so ask them. It really depends how well you write it in my opinion.

Banksy's exhibitions have nothing to do with graffiti at all. Graffiti is illegal.

StonedParadoX · 23-05-2008 12:53AM

lads

whatever happened to El Grifto ..

anyone remember the Tag he created near dunne stores in cabinteely beside the bus stop

i think im repeating myself in this topic but i cant seem to find my post so if im double posting well BLIMEY .. then im sorry and i do apologize and i hope u still love me and we can get on in life and we can be friends and then aquantices and then collegues and then enemies that become friends who are no longer friends but share this bond and so very few people have cuz friendship is dying because drugs are stronger now then they ever were

there are several spelling mistakes in the above paragraph they are there for a reason work it out

for the confused its cuz i hate grammar nazi's
For the Lost its cuz i love you
for everyone else im lazy and i sometimes find it very hard to type with gloves on while being hung upside down

funk-you · 23-05-2008 12:55AM

oxo cubes wrote: »

Banksy is an good artist with good views in my opinion
Grift is a better artist in my opinion.

If you go around spraying "funk is mad" everywhere people will decide if they think its art or not so ask them. It really depends how well you write it in my opinion.

Banksy's exhibitions have nothing to do with graffiti at all. Graffiti is illegal.

But here we're talking about grift and all i've seen of his/her work is a name. Tagging isn't art. It just screams of 'look at me, my penis is the biggest'

-Funk

Dont be at yourself · 23-05-2008 12:56AM

I don't really want to sound all philosophical but noone/everyone has the right to decide what anything looks like.

That's not philosophical, that's wishy-washy, pie-in-the-sky, head-up-your-arse twaddle.

Whatever way you slice it, some maleducated, attention-seeking, fight-the-power teenager has no real right to deface commercial or public property.

For the small minority of graffiti 'artists' in Dublin, graffiti is cool, exciting, edgy and artistic.

For almost everybody else, it is unreservedly infantile and devoid of any artistic merit whatsoever.

funk-you · 23-05-2008 12:57AM

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

That's not philosophical, that's wishy-washy, pie-in-the-sky, head-up-your-arse twaddle.

Whatever way you slice it, some maleducated, educated teenager has no real right to deface commercial or public property.

For the small minority of graffiti 'artists' in Dublin, graffiti is cool, exciting, edgy and artistic.

For almost everybody else, it is unreservedly infantile and devoid of any artistic merit whatsoever.

+1

-Funk

oxo cubes · 23-05-2008 01:01AM

funk-you wrote: »

But here we're talking about grift and all i've seen of his/her work is a name. Tagging isn't art. It just screams of 'look at me, my penis is the biggest'

-Funk

Art is subjective. Some people think tagging is art some people don't.

oxo cubes · 23-05-2008 01:04AM

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

That's not philosophical, that's wishy-washy, pie-in-the-sky, head-up-your-arse twaddle.

Whatever way you slice it, some maleducated, educated teenager has no real right to deface commercial or public property.

For the small minority of graffiti 'artists' in Dublin, graffiti is cool, exciting, edgy and artistic.

For almost everybody else, it is unreservedly infantile and devoid of any artistic merit whatsoever.

I suppose that's good cuase I didn't want to be philosophical. If you don't like graffiti it's tough becuase it will always be there and back to my original argument its writing on a wall it's not killing someone.

oxo cubes · 23-05-2008 01:05AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Does no-one/everyone have the right to do whatever they like without consequences? If not, why not?

I don't know

AlmightyCushion · 23-05-2008 01:08AM

oxo cubes wrote: »

I suppose that's good cuase I didn't want to be philosophical. If you don't like graffiti it's tough becuase it will always be there and back to my original argument its writing on a wall it's not killing someone.

If you wrote something on a wall and someone else wrote over it, would you have a problem with it? Even if what they wrote looked like it was written by you?

oxo cubes wrote: »

I don't know

Ah come on now. That's a bit of a cop out.

funk-you · 23-05-2008 01:09AM

oxo cubes wrote: »

Art is subjective. Some people think tagging is art some people don't.

And there we have it folks, the most circular half baked argument created.

Wow that steaming pile of poo is really deep, it kinda...ya know...calls out to me. Some people may see it as art but i wouldn't want it smeared on my wall.

Funny thing is i like a lot of grafitti artists work. I don't agree with where they do it but i like the work. Tagging is about as 'arty' as me signing for a bank loan.

-Funk

oxo cubes · 23-05-2008 01:10AM

If it was better than what i did I wouldn't care. If it was worse I'd just go back over it.

funk-you · 23-05-2008 01:10AM

oxo cubes wrote: »

If it was better than what i did I wouldn't care. If it was worse I'd just go back over it.

Better or worse in who's opinion? Who are you to destroy 'art'?

-Funk

AlmightyCushion · 23-05-2008 01:11AM

oxo cubes wrote: »

If it was better than what i did I wouldn't care. If it was worse I'd just go back over it.

What if you couldn't go back over it though (for whatever reason)? Would you be comfortable with some person saying something (remember it could be anything) that will be attributed to you?

oxo cubes · 23-05-2008 01:13AM

funk-you wrote: »

And there we have it folks, the most circular half baked argument created.

Wow that steaming pile of poo is really deep, it kinda...ya know...calls out to me. Some people may see it as art but i wouldn't want it smeared on my wall.

Funny thing is i like a lot of grafitti artists work. I don't agree with where they do it but i like the work. Tagging is about as 'arty' as me signing for a bank loan.

-Funk

You've just proved my point some people MAY see it as art it doesnt make a difference if you like it or not.
It doesn't need to be deep. It's a fact

funk-you · 23-05-2008 01:14AM

oxo cubes wrote: »

You've just proved my point some people MAY see it as art it doesnt make a difference if you like it or not.
It doesn't need to be deep. It's a fact

And you've missed mine entirely.

-Funk

sdanseo · 23-05-2008 01:14AM

Naked Lepper wrote: »

you should be allowed spray paint your messages or whatever you want anywhere you want

Congratulations - possibly the single stupidest statement I have ever read on boards.

oxo cubes · 23-05-2008 01:14AM

funk-you wrote: »

Better or worse in who's opinion? Who are you to destroy 'art'?

-Funk

Karoma
In my opinon he/she has every woz right to keep going back over me just as I have every right to keep going back over him/her.
'ere

oxo cubes · 23-05-2008 01:15AM

funk-you wrote: »

And you've missed mine entirely.

-Funk

I havn't missed your point I just think it's stupid.

funk-you · 23-05-2008 01:16AM

oxo cubes wrote: »

In my opinon he/she has every right to keep going back over me just as I have every right to keep going back over him/her.

But why would you feel the need to go back over theirs? Do you not respect it as art?

-Funk

oxo cubes · 23-05-2008 01:16AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

What if you couldn't go back over it though (for whatever reason)? Would you be comfortable with some person saying something (remember it could be anything) that will be attributed to you?

Yes I would be comfortable with that

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