Anyone see that horrible photo in the independent today?

#62 21-05-2008 04:06AM

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That's all f*cking disgusting!!!!

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#63 21-05-2008 07:06AM

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With the atrocities that happen in Africa, Rwanda, Sudan, Sierra Leone, and now this, is there any reason as to why Africans act like such animals? I mean they seem to integrate into western society better than any other races but on that continent you read of absolutely unspeakable things. Is it all tribal stuff or what? Acting like bloody monkeys they are, you'd think they'd have developed beyond this in this day and age ffs

where did you get the notion that Africans integrate well into western society, Africans have one of the worst record on integration, Over here they still remain very tribal and dont intermingle with anyone outside their own circles very often, I lived in a house with 2 Ugandans, a Zimbabwaien and an Egyption. tho they may have all had a hatred for the racist white Cvny in the big room their animosity towards each other far outweighted it

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#64 21-05-2008 07:20AM

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Mahatma coat wrote: »

where did you get the notion that Africans integrate well into western society, Africans have one of the worst record on integration, Over here they still remain very tribal and dont intermingle with anyone outside their own circles very often, I lived in a house with 2 Ugandans, a Zimbabwaien and an Egyption. tho they may have all had a hatred for the racist white Cvny in the big room their animosity towards each other far outweighted it

Well from my experience, the Africans I worked with would come to the pub with us, eat the same stuff as us, get drunk with us etc. etc.
I've never had a meaningful chat with an Asian or seen them drinking in pubs etc. or hanging out with Irish people whereas you often see black guys/girls with white other halves.

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#65 21-05-2008 07:41AM

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Ninja_scrotum wrote: »

They showed a guy getting "necklaced" in south africa - a tyre was put around his neck and set alight. They showed a before and after pic.

All I can say is poor bastard.

Maybe he deserved it? He could have been a kiddy fidler or a rapist. If so good ridens ya bollox. well if not thats a bit bad.

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#66 21-05-2008 08:21AM

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Africa, particularly sub Saharan Africa is in serious trouble. Zimbabwe is going down the toilet, the Congo is running in behind, Nigeria and it's vast resources are going to waste. The list is tragically endless. Even Kenya the "safe" country had a fair few incidences of madness last year.

Of course we don't hear as much about the good things going on. The good side of Africa. I even read somewhere that a white backpacker was more likely to get murdered in Australia or SE Asia than in Africa. There are Africans working, fighting and indeed dying for a better future. It does seem like they're píssing into the wind at times.

It's going to get worse before it gets better too. The corruption is truly epic, which is a hell of a lot of the problem, add in tribal affiliations and flashpoints and recipe for disaster isn't in it. There's also a reticence for African leaders to deal with one of their own too. Turning a blind eye is a continental sport. Zimbabwe is the best example. Few will do or say anything against that nutjob Mugabe, so long as he touts the anti white colonial line.

The sad fact is that when the colonial types were running Africa the countries were doing better. Infrastructure existed for a start. SA was one of the richest countries in the world now it's one of the poorer. Zimbabwes fall has been even more stark. Obviously Africans were shafted left right and center back then, but how much better off are they now? That's the ultimate failure of African leadership. When your own people oppress you more than invaders.

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#67 21-05-2008 09:48AM

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snyper wrote: »

It makes me all warm and fuzzy inside to see the internet police are in strong force here to protect us from evil

People are as entitled to say that his joke was in poor taste (which btw kev, it was - and it was shyte) as much as others are entitled to say they lol'd (and as he is, to make it).

So what are you talking about? What interweb police??

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#68 21-05-2008 09:52AM

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The sad fact is that when the colonial types were running Africa the countries were doing better.

Yup. Which is why none of the guilt over such things makes much sense. It was a mutually beneficial arrangement.

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#69 21-05-2008 10:02AM

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ems_12 wrote: »

I've a friend who's back frm visiting South Africa, he befriended a taxi man and got an "insider view". He says when Nelson Mandela dies it will be in a huge turmoil, and as you can see frm the pics it's already crazy. Northern Africans vs South Africans (black v. black) as far as I picked up. Independent article backs that up.

Photo is shocking. I mean that as strong as the word can describe

Apartheid still exsists in South Africa in a different way to what used to happen with segregation of whites and blacks. There are different classes of blacks now in South Africa. Mandellas community are the new "Whites". While the other group are the new poor, with no education possibilities and huge crime and drug problems.

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#70 21-05-2008 10:34AM

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I am never going to be able to go into Burger King again now without thinking of that post caoibhin

Needless to say a lot of Africa is in some serius trouble and the cost of human life has clearly become worthless to many. Seem's all that aid that is being pumped in is going nowhere. A pity indeed.

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#71 21-05-2008 05:14PM

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7413268.stm

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#72 21-05-2008 05:56PM

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I can't understand how he is still kneeling/sitting up like that after being burnt to a crisp.

EDIT:Just saw that the army has been deployed in SA to deal with all the violence.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7412128.stm

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#73 21-05-2008 06:01PM

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I can't understand how he is still kneeling/sitting up like that after being burnt to a crisp.

Because being in shock freezes people I think.

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#74 21-05-2008 08:17PM

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nice1franko wrote: »

People are as entitled to say that his joke was in poor taste (which btw kev, it was - and it was shyte) as much as others are entitled to say they lol'd (and as he is, to make it).

So what are you talking about? What interweb police??

Yes.. ppl are entitled to say what they like...

So why comment with the "Thou shalt not find humour in Misery"

If somone sees humor in somthing.. who the fcuk are these "Holier than thou" prickholes to comment???

These "Internet police" are the very same as the Church.. You shall not do this, you shall not do that!.. and at the very same time were molesting kids.

If you dont find something funny.. fcuking ignore the post?!

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#75 21-05-2008 08:22PM

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snyper wrote: »

Yes.. ppl are entitled to say what they like...

So why comment with the "Thou shalt not find humour in Misery"

If somone sees humor in somthing.. who the fcuk are these "Holier than thou" prickholes to comment???

These "Internet police" are the very same as the Church.. You shall not do this, you shall not do that!.. and at the very same time were molesting kids.

If you dont find something funny.. fcuking ignore the post?!

Snyper is right.

For serious.

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#76 21-05-2008 08:29PM

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Forgive the abruptness of my previous post.

The point remains... but im a little moody.

Today i am bleeding

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#77 21-05-2008 08:32PM

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snyper wrote: »

Forgive the abruptness of my previous post.

The point remains... but im a little moody.

Today i am bleeding

Sweet Jesus,we don't need to know.

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#78 22-05-2008 01:25AM

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snyper wrote: »

Yes.. ppl are entitled to say what they like...

So why comment with the "Thou shalt not find humour in Misery"

If somone sees humor in somthing.. who the fcuk are these "Holier than thou" prickholes to comment???

These "Internet police" are the very same as the Church.. You shall not do this, you shall not do that!.. and at the very same time were molesting kids.

If you dont find something funny.. fcuking ignore the post?!

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Snyper is right.

For serious.

Snyper, if people are entitled to say what they like, then you must accept that people are entitled to be offended by what others say. It seems to me that by striking your hostile stance against my taking offence and associating it with religious morality you are attempting to win the argument by rather dubious means.

I for one have never fiddled with any kids. not even on the internet. (and it wasn't even for research - a la Townshend, 2003)

Nobody has said that you must not find humour in misery, but there is a difference when it is somebody else's misery and not your own. Perhaps it is different when it is endemic violence rather than sporadic?

What do you think Kick out the Jams? - cue justification of mindless comments

You might not see it like this, but this is a public forum which is likely to be visited by a lot of people who do not speak up. It might also be the case that some of these people are recently arrived migrants who are attempting to find their way in a new life in a new culture. Dismiss this all you want, but I can easily imagine somebody new to Ireland finding this board and wanting to use it to understand a little bit more about their new country. I am hopeful that you would like to be understanding if not welcoming.

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#79 22-05-2008 08:36AM

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Snyper and Kicckoutthejams, don't want to get into a big confrontation with you two lovely gentleman but:

If someone close to you like a sibling or parent were
1) terminally ill, lying on their deathbed OR
2) in a serious accident OR
3) being burned alive even like this guy

and a total stranger (completely subjectively and relatively, mind you) starts laughing heartily at how they don't have much time to live or how they resemble a grilled sausage etc would you find it funny?

First off (but maybe i'm being presumptuous here) i'm guessing you wouldn't.
And that's absolutely fine.

But are you telling me you'd just turn around and say "y'know what man i don't get the joke but you go ahead and knock yourself out, laugh away- atleast someone's getting a kick out of it".
Because as you say all humour is relative and subjective.

But the question is: Is all that relative, subjective humour absolutely acceptable?
Would the above be acceptable to you.
How absolutely acceptable is this cherished notion of relativity of humour?

Don't tell me you would just stand idly while he guffawed heartily at your loved ones plight- most people would punch them out.

Granted there's a difference in the immediacy of this example and that poor guy in the Indo but the principle is essentially the same- how far does the acceptability of the relativity of humour stretch?

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#80 22-05-2008 09:49AM

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reregholdsworth wrote: »

Nobody has said that you must not find humour in misery, but there is a difference when it is somebody else's misery and not your own. Perhaps it is different when it is endemic violence rather than sporadic?
What do you think Kick out the Jams? - cue justification of mindless comments

My grandma died a few weeks ago. My friend made a joke about it. I laughed. Some people use humour as a way of dealing with things.

See, there#s the problem. You accuse me of justifying mindless comments. It might be not be your type of humour but that doesn't automatically mean it's mindless.
Humour is subjective.

reregholdsworth wrote: »

You might not see it like this, but this is a public forum which is likely to be visited by a lot of people who do not speak up. It might also be the case that some of these people are recently arrived migrants who are attempting to find their way in a new life in a new culture. Dismiss this all you want, but I can easily imagine somebody new to Ireland finding this board and wanting to use it to understand a little bit more about their new country. I am hopeful that you would like to be understanding if not welcoming.

Whole idea of this type of humour (possibly offensive) was done in the LL. Usual points (someone will always be offended by something
Ok.

I better not joke about anything. Someone might be offended.

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#81 22-05-2008 09:56AM

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tech77 wrote: »

Snyper and Kicckoutthejams, don't want to get into a big confrontation with you two lovely gentleman but:

If someone close to you like a sibling or parent were
1) terminally ill, lying on their deathbed OR
2) in a serious accident OR
3) being burned alive even like this guy

I always hear this.
PEople assuming that I'll be offended by jokes concerning me.
Feel free to take the piss outta my dead relatives. I can't say it really bothers me what random internet people joke about.

tech77 wrote: »

and a total stranger (completely subjectively and relatively, mind you) starts laughing heartily at how they don't have much time to live or how they resemble a grilled sausage etc would you find it funny?

In the real world? It depends. SOmeone making a crack is normal and you live with it. Someone trying to be offensive is usually transparent.

tech77 wrote: »

First off (but maybe i'm being presumptuous here) i'm guessing you wouldn't.
And that's absolutely fine.

Yeah that is fairly presumptuous. Your placing your own morals on me there.

tech77 wrote: »

But are you telling me you'd just turn around and say "y'know what man i don't get the joke but you go ahead and knock yourself out, laugh away- atleast someone's getting a kick out of it".
Because as you say all humour is relative and subjective.

It all boils down to circumstances.

"Eww look, a filthy Irishman."=wrong
"Ah no lads, he's Irish! Watch your pint!"=fine under circumstances.

tech77 wrote: »

But the question is: Is all that relative, subjective humour absolutely acceptable?
Would the above be acceptable to you.
How absolutely acceptable is this cherished notion of relativity of humour?

Ok, you've been arguing this point to death.
To paraphrase: "would you find it funny if it was about you"!
It depends.
Next.

tech77 wrote: »

Don't tell me you would just stand idly while he guffawed heartily at your loved ones plight- most people would punch them out.

As stated, I already have.

You have your own morals. Hey cool. GO you. Don't try to force them on me though.

tech77 wrote: »

Granted there's a difference in the immediacy of this example and that poor guy in the Indo but the principle is essentially the same- how far does the acceptability of the relativity of humour stretch?

Huge difference between laughing at something and laughing at the joke.

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#82 22-05-2008 10:03AM

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kickoutthejams wrote: »

I always hear this.

Yeah that is fairly presumptuous. Your placing your own morals on me there.

You have your own morals. Hey cool. GO you. Don't try to force them on me though.

Huge difference between laughing at something and laughing at the joke.

What is the difference?

You say you use humour to salve your pain. Well good for you.
How about realising that not everyone else does that. Do you always
need to be laughing? Does not laughing at someone else being burnt to death make you enjoy yourself a lot less? Can you not wait for another piece of gratification? Or is it the case that this is the kind of gratification that you enjoy?

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#83 22-05-2008 10:18AM

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reregholdsworth wrote: »

What is the difference?

You say you use humour to salve your pain. Well good for you.
How about realising that not everyone else does that. Do you always
need to be laughing? Does not laughing at someone else being burnt to death make you enjoy yourself a lot less? Can you not wait for another piece of gratification? Or is it the case that this is the kind of gratification that you enjoy?

Salve pain?
Nah, it's how you deal with this screwed up world we live in.

I really can't be bothered to type all this out again.

Most of the points are in here anyway.http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055296360

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#84 22-05-2008 10:25AM

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kickoutthejams wrote: »

Salve pain?
Nah, it's how you deal with this screwed up world we live in.

I really can't be bothered to type all this out again.

Most of the points are in here anyway.http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055296360

it's how you deal with this 'screwed' up world we live in. Please don't attribute your morals to me. I am sure you will find that a simple task to perform. You have already asked it of someone in this thread.

I've made my point, and you've made it clear that you find such humour funny purely for your selfish needs. Fair enough.

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#85 22-05-2008 10:27AM

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so what is the difference from laughing at a joke made at someone's misfortune and laughing at the misfortune?

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#86 22-05-2008 10:32AM

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WOW.
i have seen alot of f***ed up stuff in my relative 24years on this planet and i dont think iv ever seen something look so horrific.

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#87 22-05-2008 10:32AM

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your whole post is a fukcing hypocritical mess.

snyper wrote: »

Yes.. ppl are entitled to say what they like... So why comment with the "Thou shalt not find humour in Misery" [something I don't like]

If somone sees humor in[likes] somthing.. who the fcuk are these "Holier than thou" prickholes [people who don't like it] to comment???

These "Internet police" are the very same as the Church.. You shall not do this, you shall not do that!.. and at the very same time were molesting kids. [I can't stand hypocrites, ironically enough]

snyper wrote: »

If you dont find something funny.. fcuking ignore the post?!

WTF?
it's a forum, people are supposed to interact. Just like people reply with LOL etc others can reply with "that's offside" etc.

Take a leaf out of your own book and let people say what they like without getting your g-er in a knot.

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#88 22-05-2008 11:16AM

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reregholdsworth wrote: »

it's how you deal with this 'screwed' up world we live in. Please don't attribute your morals to me. I am sure you will find that a simple task to perform. You have already asked it of someone in this thread.

More a case of I find stuff funny. You don't.

Hey that's cool and all.

Once you start picking and choosing what's acceptable humour, it reaches very shaky ground as potentially, people could find anything offensive.

In my experience, everyone finds something offensive and other things easy to laugh it.
Are you honestly telling me that you have never made a joke that someone could have found offense to?

reregholdsworth wrote: »

I've made my point, and you've made it clear that you find such humour funny purely for your selfish needs. Fair enough.

Ah yeah. Selfish.
That's what it is.

*laughs*

Everything can affect someone.

All kinds of things get used without regard for who might read them. The reason is because if you start censoring yourself eventually you will not say anything and will be afraid to laugh at all.

I mean, for some people any under implication about their ma would be highly offensive, and yet we throw "YO'RE MA" around the place with a degree of fervour.

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#89 22-05-2008 11:21AM

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I always hear this.
PEople assuming that I'll be offended by jokes concerning me.
Feel free to take the piss outta my dead relatives. I can't say it really bothers me what random internet people joke about.

In the real world? It depends. SOmeone making a crack is normal and you live with it. Someone trying to be offensive is usually transparent

First off i don't believe that any crack made about someone close to you burning to death would ever be acceptable to you.

More importantly though it has been established that you DO take offence at certain humorous things others may say:
(Interestingly however you're careful to describe it as "offence" and not humour:

Someone trying to be offensive is usually transparent

.)

But of course what's transparently offensive to you can be humorous to others.
Ergo it can atleast be established that SOMETHINGS do constitute offence for you when it comes to humour.

So at least you accept not all humour (and whatever offence accompanies it) is absolutely acceptable.
So while the subjectivity of humour may be absolute (?), the acceptability of that subjective humour is not absolute, correct?

Yeah that is fairly presumptuous. Your placing your own morals on me there.

No i'm just trying to understand this.

It all boils down to circumstances.
"Eww look, a filthy Irishman."=wrong
"Ah no lads, he's Irish! Watch your pint!"=fine under circumstances.

Fair enough.
But importantly again you say when offence is intended? Interesting.
So you do accept atleast that there are some things people find funny that are offensive/unacceptable to you.
So not all humour (with whatever offence accompanies it) is absolutely acceptable.

Ok, you've been arguing this point to death.
To paraphrase: "would you find it funny if it was about you"!
It depends.
Next.

No it's more "would you find it acceptable?" if it was about you tbh rather than "Would you find it funny?" .

You have your own morals. Hey cool. GO you. Don't try to force them on me though.

No tbh i don't mean to moralise at all.
I'm only trying to understand the validity of the concept that all humour (no matter how subjective) is acceptable/defensible.
And so far you also agree that some humour (with offence, to you atleast) is unacceptable to you.
So the principle "not all humour is absolutely acceptable" applies.

Huge difference between laughing at something and laughing at the joke.

When you're laughing at the joke, you're generally either laughing at the perpetrator or the victim- aren't you.
In the case of the guy burning alive what are you laughing at.
Can you explain the humour in it.

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lol
burning black people is fun

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#91 22-05-2008 11:28AM

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Mordances with wolves wrote: »

lol
burning black people is fun

Black people burning black people and white people getting offended on the said black peoples behalf is even funnier.

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