Irish people and English people

SimpleSam06 · 18-05-2008 12:33PM

TomMc wrote: »

English people are more polite and reserved, wittier and have a greater sense of fair play.

Sigh. Why would you ascribe individual characteristics to a huge group of people? Not that even the ones you have given them seem anyhere near reality.

Affable · 18-05-2008 02:01PM

Terrontress wrote: »

But I suppose, given globalisation, mass communication and corporatism; they will be more similar to the Americans, Australians and other nations with the same mother tongue.

Sadly not the Aussies, who I like a lot. They have virtually zero influence.
America will have huge impact.

Terrontress · 18-05-2008 03:41PM

It's amazing how similar many university age Dubliners sound to Americans. Maybe its due to all the tv shows from America that people are watching.

I never had to learn Irish at school but I think that it is important that it be taught here as it will be the only thing to differentiate young Irish people from Americans.

Rob_l · 18-05-2008 03:46PM

Terrontress wrote: »

It's amazing how similar many university age Dubliners sound to Americans. Maybe its due to all the tv shows from America that people are watching.

I never had to learn Irish at school but I think that it is important that it be taught here as it will be the only thing to differentiate young Irish people from Americans.

Also many of the textbooks used in universities are written by americans which will only further americanise(americanize)
But i would say its more part of a wider globalisation that is happening throughout the world speeded the very internet upon which this board is based and also to the wider media reach of the biger corporations

StormWarrior · 18-05-2008 03:50PM

Terrontress wrote: »

I am moving to England soon.

I don't recommend it. I'm English, and I'm moving to Scandinavia the second I finish university.:pac:

doctor evil · 18-05-2008 05:30PM

In terms of history taught in schools, I think there appears to be a massive anti-British indoctrination process and a re-writing of history. I have a friend, who acknowledges that the history books say that there was no popular support for 1916 and says instead there was indifference!

As if they don't have any form of bias in the UK.....

Overheal · 18-05-2008 05:34PM

Terrontress wrote: »

It's amazing how similar many university age Dubliners sound to Americans. Maybe its due to all the tv shows from America that people are watching.

I never had to learn Irish at school but I think that it is important that it be taught here as it will be the only thing to differentiate young Irish people from Americans.

no, its easy to differentiate. when you run into an american, its no secret. Trust an american on this.

allabouteve · 18-05-2008 05:50PM

Probably controversial this, but as an Aussie female I've found English women to be friendlier than Irish women, and vice versa for the men. In my own very limited experience of course.

Terrontress · 18-05-2008 05:51PM

doctor evil wrote: »

In terms of history taught in schools, I think there appears to be a massive anti-British indoctrination process and a re-writing of history. I have a friend, who acknowledges that the history books say that there was no popular support for 1916 and says instead there was indifference!

As if they don't have any form of bias in the UK.....

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Rob_l · 18-05-2008 06:10PM

Terrontress wrote: »

In terms of history taught in schools, I think there appears to be a massive anti-British indoctrination process and a re-writing of history. I have a friend, who acknowledges that the history books say that there was no popular support for 1916 and says instead there was indifference!

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Are you saying Irish text books support this or ignore it?

Kold · 18-05-2008 06:37PM

I really really like IRN BRU.

delos · 18-05-2008 08:02PM

Kold wrote: »

I really really like IRN BRU.

Stop please you'll bring tears to my eyes and I'll start to crave a deep-fried pizza. Funnily enough, I've never seen a deep-fried pizza outside of Scotland. IRN BRU may be our badge of identity, but deep-fried pizza is our dirty little secrete

Kold · 18-05-2008 08:16PM

Deep fried pizza? Can I have dinner at your place sometime?

Neamhshuntasach · 18-05-2008 08:21PM

I find a lot of differences between Irish people and English people and you only notice them more so when both of us are in a third party country. Having lived abroad and traveled for a number of years i met countless numbers of Irish and English people and from being out with both groups either together or seperately I find a good few differences. Some which come to mind are that the Irish are less offended at things, are more sarcastic, have wittier humor (particularily Dubs), can hold alcohol a lot more, stay awake longer, are more laid back, have a more relaxed attitude towards keeping time, we sing more, we're chatty in big groups, we mix more, less racist, more easily content with simple things, don't complain as much and foreign females prefer our accents.

That's just a few off the top of my head and obviously not true for all circumstances. Just the general consenses of the contrasts i noticed between the Irish and English i met in the States, Central and South America and in Asia.

Cunny-Funt · 18-05-2008 08:23PM

Terrontress wrote: »

In terms of history taught in schools, I think there appears to be a massive anti-British indoctrination process and a re-writing of history. I have a friend, who acknowledges that the history books say that there was no popular support for 1916 and says instead there was indifference!

This doesn't make any sense. So by the history books saying the truth (that the 1916 rising was not popular with the majority of people until the British shelled the feck outa the place and executed the rebels) Where's the re-writing? Seems simply talking about Irish history is viewed as "anti British" especially by the British, looking at the reception of "wind that shakes the barley" over there for one thing.

We don't need to make anything up about our history.

Back to topic:

I don't think the Irish are the same as the English, we are different. But the Irish and English get on great , we share common interests and so forth. The irish get english humour as well. Unlike some countries. I have found the some English don't really get the Irish fully though, especially when it comes to the issues with Norn Iron etc.

A lot of the English don't really have a clue or fully understand what went on between our two countries in the past. But all in all, 90% I think the Irish and English have good craic together.

There's still that odd rare element of racism towards the Irish from some English, the whole "stupid paddy" "no dogs no irish" thing is alive in some people I've encountered unfortunately. But I get the impression they are just a very tiny minority of small minded people in England, of which every country suffers from.

Latchy · 18-05-2008 08:23PM

Sombody a few years ago ( a young irishman ) described living in england as being in- between two countries ,his heart was in his homeland to which he visited several times a year but he lived in uk and he went on to say that

'' being in-between was not a bad place to be at times .''

connundrum · 18-05-2008 08:31PM

Redpunto wrote: »

We are taught completely different history in school. Ask any english person bout 1916,,they wont have a clue

I don't understand why 1916 should register on the average English person's scale of things to remember. They controlled half the world at different stages, so you can understand why 1916 would only really be important to Irish people. The majority of English people under the age of 25 would genuinely not understand the 'bad feeling' between us.

OT, I don't think we're worlds apart. We have our national traits, but thats about it.

Rob_l · 18-05-2008 08:39PM

connundrum wrote: »

I don't understand why 1916 should register on the average English person's scale of things remember. They controlled half the world at different stages, so you can understand why 1916 would only really be important to Irish people. The majority of English people under the age of 25 would genuinely not understand the 'bad feeling' between us.

OT, I don't think we're worlds apart. We have our national traits, but thats about it.

Spot on we cannot expect them to know our history, Im not sure about the rest of ye but my limit of british history is limited only to the points were it crosses wiht our own.

rubadub · 18-05-2008 08:46PM

connundrum wrote: »

I don't understand why 1916 should register on the average English person's scale of things remember. They controlled half the world at different stages

+1
If their history classes went through all the reasons various countries have problems with them, then there would be no time to teach them anything else.

Latchy · 18-05-2008 08:47PM

The british have being big part players in two major world wars and had a massive empire of which ireland was only a small part ( although an important part at that ) . English people have their diversitys to , geordies, mancs, scousers,cockneys etc all have their own lingo and expressions just like kerrymen,corkonians and dubliners do .They might all live on the island of england but equally will consider each other as alians with little in common (except love of football ) even if some live nearer than others too .The class system will also play a big part in the diversity of englishness to of course ,just as the irish class system does to ones sense of irishness .

Affable · 18-05-2008 09:10PM

Based on my experience(albeit of middle class England) I'd say English people were more proper.

Latchy · 18-05-2008 09:37PM

Irish history still does play a big part in how we view the english and will continue to do so for many generation to come imo but i do believe that the increse of english visitor over the last 20 years or so to ireland will go a long way towards english people understanding ireland and i ' rishness ' a lot better than previous generations ,who reverted to sterotypes on both side of the irish sea .

Kold · 18-05-2008 10:02PM

Why do people want to define themselves as a nationality anyway?*

* Coming from your average half Vietnamese, half Irish Englishman

Ponster · 18-05-2008 10:55PM

Noffles wrote: »

Good to hear, I'm a Welsh man living in Ireland and always enjoy myself on trips to the uk...

North or South Wales?

OP, more than 80% IMHO of tha planet would have great difficulty in telling the Irish and the Brits apart. Having lived away from Ireland for 10 yaers and married to a Welsh girl I can see how alike the two peoples are. Not that that's a bad thing, but it's just the way things are. Maybe in 100 years Irish people will be 'more Irish' or maybe 'Irish, Americans and English' will be all the same ?

mise_me_fein · 18-05-2008 10:58PM

Kold wrote: »

Why do people want to define themselves as a nationality anyway?*
* Coming from your average half Vietnamese, half Irish Englishman

Don´t really know. Some people don´t care about this, but Irish people help other Irish people out in a lot of situations and I think the common bond thing is good.

We used to be a lot more different to the English, but since we have the same TV channels, speak the same language and are so close to each other, other than views on history we are similar.

We´re not as cold as the south of England though. Think we´ve more in common with the people from the North of England.

If we got to use Irish again as an everyday language, you would see differences taking place......I think this would be a good thing......The world is a boring place were everything is the same.

Latchy · 18-05-2008 11:04PM

Eamonn de velera had this vision of irishness ,with everybody speaking irish and ' madiens dancing at the crossroads' .It was a naive vision which didn't really allow for late 20th/21rst century tecnology/communications /travel and although it may be nice to think of ireland as having a mainly large % of it's population speaking irish /english ,we might have to go back to the ireland cut off from mainland europe /rest of the world to achieve that .

It's not going to happen imo

Affable · 18-05-2008 11:06PM

mise_me_fein wrote: »

We´re not as cold as the south of England though. Think we´ve more in common with the people from the North of England.

That may well be true. Heard it said a lot.

Latchy · 18-05-2008 11:12PM

Originally Posted by mise_me_fein

We´re not as cold as the south of England though. Think we´ve more in common with the people from the North of England.

living in the north of england for 20 odd years would have to agree

OPENROAD · 18-05-2008 11:13PM

mise_me_fein wrote: »

We´re not as cold as the south of England though.

Having lived in London and as a very regular visitor now, can't agree. I have always heard that mentioned here about the south of England people being cold especially Londoners but have not expereienced that coldness, quite the opposite in fact.

Re the North of England, have to say found the Geordies to be especially friendly.

Latchy · 18-05-2008 11:23PM

We irish have a reputation around the world for our friendliness and rightly so ,some are more so than others (some only show it depending on ones social staus or not at all ) and liverpool, manchester ,newcastle south england /london people fall into that category as well imo .We have to remember that millions more people live in london and i have met plenty of friendliness on my travels down there to .

Irish people and English people

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