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  • #32
    Lockstep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    I've great respect for Francis Sheehy-Skeffington


  • #33
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,187 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I believe the weight limits are company policies not actual law, it varies from company to company.

    I believe that any references to gender should, as a matter of principal, be completely removed from all legislation, bylaws etc. in any case where its inclusion is not absolutely necessary (there are suprisingly few situations where it is).


  • #34
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kickoutthejams wrote: »
    I've great respect for Francis Sheehy-Skeffington

    Vegetarian teetotalers RULE!


  • #35
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Meh. Women want equal rights, but only if it benefits them.


  • #36
    Chardee MacDennis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    Blue_Lagoon wrote: »
    The USA has their first female Speaker-of-the-House in Congress, there's a serious female Clinton contender for the White House 2008 elections,

    well Pelosi is fast gaining a reputation as a weak politician, tbh it is more to do with the state of DNP - but i can imagine it will also reflect badly on women in politics, especially when Clinton is going around crying at every opportunity she gets.

    I would say if Clinton doesnt win the DNP nomination she will have done more harm the good for women in polictics in my opinion as she has reinforced the stereotype of the over-emotional women who cant be trusted with power.


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  • #37
    JC 2K3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    Sherifu wrote: »
    In before thaed.
    lol


  • #38
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,043 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Sherifu wrote: »
    In before thaed.

    Cheeky git.

    Other threads on this topic you may have miss

    The last one that was in AH
    Do you think feminism has gone too far?

    and some from the ladies lounge.

    What a feminist looks like
    Feminism - Your thoughts on it.
    Would you call yourself a feminist ?
    If not why not ?

    As I said earlier
    Well every group, movement or cause has it's fanatics and it's extremists and they make better sound bite press.

    Soccer hooliganism to soccer what radical feminists are to feminism.

    It's like someone who is from Europe who assumes that all of Ireland is like the 6 counties up north for before the good friday agreement because that is all they ever saw on the news.

    And yes Fanny Cradock there are feminist men out there.

    Bill Bailey
    Ade Edmondson and
    Patrick Stewart to mention three.

    If there were no men who are feminist the the laws to given women the right to vote would not have been draughted, voted on and passed.


  • #39
    Rob_l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Rob_l


    Equal rights for men is what we want, feminism isn't about equal rights its about getting the best deal for women it has nothing to do with equality.


  • #40
    stevoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭stevoman


    Rob_l wrote: »
    Equal rights for men is what we want, feminism isn't about equal rights its about getting the best deal for women it has nothing to do with equality.

    touche


  • #41
    Acid_Violet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Acid_Violet


    Dragan wrote: »
    The subject you are asking about means a million different things to a million different people, without some kind of context this thread = fail.

    QFT


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  • #42
    Acid_Violet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Acid_Violet


    Rob_l wrote: »
    Equal rights for men is what we want, feminism isn't about equal rights its about getting the best deal for women it has nothing to do with equality.

    What makes you think that?


  • #43
    Lockstep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Bill Bailey
    Ade Edmondson and
    Patrick Stewart to mention three.

    All three are also legends. Especially Ade Edmondson.
    QFT.
    Moonbaby wrote: »
    Vegetarian teetotalers RULE!
    Hey, I'll back Francis Sheehy-Skeffington to the hilt. He was a great man. (though I'm no vegetarian)



    Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill


  • #44
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,589 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Moonbaby wrote: »
    Vegetarian teetotalers RULE!
    http://www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=436
    Dr. Hannibal Lecktor


  • #45
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Acid_Violet wrote: »
    What makes you think that?
    You're taking the piss, right?


  • #46
    pebblesjm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭pebblesjm


    Tupins wrote: »
    I think the word 'feminism' has changed in meaning over the years. It first started when women basically had no rights in comparison to men and this was the word used to try to change that. Nowadays (supposedly) women have equal rights to men so that's probably why you don't hear so much about it.

    Having said that, there are still situations where inequality exists, I'm sure every woman reading this has an example - but you will also find discrimination against men (eg the media making them out to be thick etc). I think the mistake that people make is to interchange the word 'equal' with 'same'. Women and men can be equal but that doesn't mean they are the same and it doesn't mean it's a bad thing - we should celebrate the differences and accept that sometimes women are better in certain situations and men in others, it doesn't mean one sex is superior than the other.

    For the woman with the chickens - maybe your boss didn't mean to patronise you as being 'weak'. In general men are stronger physically than woman - that's a fact! There are actually different legal limitations on how much weight women and men are allowed to lift at work. Perhaps he's afraid of getting into trouble with the law??? If you hurt yourself while lifting something heavy he could be sued or something. I personally am not very physically strong and always ask one of the guys at work to lift anything heavy but if you feel you are capable of lifting that weight then fair play to you, everyone knows their own strength.

    Anyway, I'll get off my soap box now.......


    Here here couldn't have put it better myself, the whole 'I'm strong enough to lift/push etc.' argument annoys me. When I was working as a sailing instructor one of the 'feminist' girls there COULD NOT be told to just leave the lifting of the heavy boats to the lads....oh no she had to prove that she was good enough:rolleyes:.............whilst I did still as much work but the the lighter chores and didn't end up with lots and lots of back pain as she did!!

    I find that there are a lot of people out there who think they're feminists whereas they are just paying lip service to it and using it as an excuse to b**ch about boys and moan................I b**ch bout lads all the time, but I don't hide behind 'feminism':p

    On the otherhand one of the lads mentioned above that he gets annoyed at women taking time out for family life.......Well hold your horses!!!! The importance of stable nuclear families in society CANNOT continue to be so under-rated!!! Family has such an influence over the entire society from SES and education and subsequently government policies...etc ad naseum..... So this guilt that is put on parents (tho mostly the ladies...) when they do need to tend to their children is antagonistic to developing a more stable society and a happy next generation.........................they will be minding us in old age:cool: (what comes around....................)


  • #47
    Tupins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭Tupins


    Exactly!

    Men who complain about women taking time off from work for family reasons conveniently forget the double standards that exist for men and women in their work lives.

    If a couple have a child, 99% of the time it's the woman who is expected to stay at home to mind it, or at least only work part time. Stay at home fathers are considered 'sissys' or 'under the thumb' or whatever other pathetic stereotype the media and society has created. If a woman goes to work and leaves her child with a childminder, many people frown on this. God forbid a woman who tries to do both - no easy task - and is chastised for leaving work the odd time to take care of a sick child or whatever. I wonder what would be the posters attitude to a woman who didn't go to the aid of her sick child - it's a no win situation.


  • #48
    _feedback_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    Tupins wrote: »
    Men who complain about women taking time off from work for family reasons conveniently forget the double standards that exist for men and women in their work lives.

    What double standards are they?
    Tupins wrote: »
    If a woman goes to work and leaves her child with a childminder, many people frown on this. God forbid a woman who tries to do both - no easy task - and is chastised for leaving work the odd time to take care of a sick child or whatever.

    My point is, if they are PAYING a childminder to look after the kid, then why, every time the kid sneezes, they should have to go home.

    I know sneeze is OTT, but I'm not talking about serious illnesses here. Kids get sick... they are paying for someone to look after them, let them look after them.


  • #49
    Rob_l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Rob_l


    Acid_Violet wrote: »
    What makes you think that?

    Its very name gives a slight hint!


  • #50
    Tupins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭Tupins


    elviscostello wrote: »
    What double standards are they?

    Eh the double standards that I went on to explain in the subsequent paragraph....



    My point is, if they are PAYING a childminder to look after the kid, then why, every time the kid sneezes, they should have to go home.

    I know sneeze is OTT, but I'm not talking about serious illnesses here. Kids get sick... they are paying for someone to look after them, let them look after them.

    Look, I totally agree with you that obviously women who go home everytime the child sneezes are taking the p*** and as always they are the ones who give working mothers a bad name but my point is there are plenty of women out there who are doing the best they can to work and be a mother at the same time. I have respect for them but if it came down to a choice between giving your attention to a (genuinely) sick child or being at work I think you couldn't blame a mother for wanting to be with her child.

    Perhaps this wouldn't be such an issue if fathers were encouraged to spend more time with their children - given proper paternity leave or whatever and not being judged for being a stay at home father instead of the macho bread winners.

    I know of a couple who are friends of mine and the woman has a really high paying job in management consultancy, he is a contractor and while he earned good enough money his work was inconsistent and all in all he earned less than she did. They've recently had a baby and the mother is now on maternity leave. The other day they were discussing financial stuff, chilminders etc in front of me and talking about the mother leaving her job to look after the child. I casually suggested the father leaving his job instead and looking after the child as it would make more financial sense - he just gave me a withering look and said "Why don't you just cut my balls off and be done with it?"

    To him it was utterly demeaning - yet it's perfectly fine for a woman to do it!

    Where's the equality there?


  • #51
    Rob_l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Rob_l


    Tupins wrote: »
    Look, I totally agree with you that obviously women who go home everytime the child sneezes are taking the p*** and as always they are the ones who give working mothers a bad name


    To him it was utterly demeaning - yet it's perfectly fine for a woman to do it!

    Where's the equality there?

    maybe he is just one man giving other men a bad name

    A very good friend of mine stays at home with his child while his wife was off studying and working because she was working towards becoming a doctor and it made financial sense for him to stay at home and mind the child.

    Single examples dont prove any point is my point.


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  • #52
    Tupins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭Tupins


    You're right about single points but I think it's fair to say that his attitude is a fairly common one, I was just using it as back up.

    Fair play to your friend - if there were more like him this would be much less of an issue.


  • #53
    _feedback_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    Tupins wrote: »
    Look, I totally agree with you that obviously women who go home everytime the child sneezes are taking the p*** and as always they are the ones who give working mothers a bad name but my point is there are plenty of women out there who are doing the best they can to work and be a mother at the same time. I have respect for them but if it came down to a choice between giving your attention to a (genuinely) sick child or being at work I think you couldn't blame a mother for wanting to be with her child.

    That's a fair enough point... The only reason I said it in the first place was because of my own experience working with 'working mums', and the majority, yes majority, take the piss. I'm not trying to rise you or stir it up, just pointing it out. It's not just them either, the employers find it a perfectly acceptable excuse. Unlike, as I mentioned earlier, if I told my employer I had to take my pet to the vet... they would laugh in my face..... as would the 'working mum' sitting next to me.


  • #54
    Acid_Violet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Acid_Violet


    the_syco wrote: »
    You're taking the piss, right?

    No, I'm asking for you to explain why you think that. Simple?


  • #55
    StormWarrior
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭StormWarrior


    I'm female and I persoanlly think feminism has gone way too far. It was great to get the vote and stuff like that, but it has now that women are expected to compete with blokes in every way, it's an insult to women. Its like saying, women aren't good enough the way we are, we should turn ourselves into blokes to be worthy. I think thanks to feminism, women are just as trapped as they were before, except instead of being trapped at home when they would like some freedom, they're now trapped at work when some would rather be home with the kids.


  • #56
    JC 2K3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    And men are still trapped at work, as they have been for all time, oh when will this oppression end!


  • #57
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    In my opinion, compared to any other time in human history, women do have it pretty well. The point to bear in mind, as other posters have pointed out is that while women want to be treated as equals, there are fundamental differences between the genders. That's why most women will demand equal pay and respect but will have mixed feelings, at best, if a man belts them. It really does not point out any huge gaps in the logic behind feminism. Personally I do think the term itself is annoying, as it implies that it's all about the advancement of women's rights over men's rather than equality and mutual respect, and if you identify yourself as a feminist people can get a flash of "oh ****, man-hating lesbian hairy person!"

    Q: How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?
    A: That's not funny.


  • #58
    andrew
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,371 Mod ✭✭✭✭andrew


    On a feminism related note, Adrienne Rich is a crazy feminist bitch. That is all


  • #59
    Pighead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    On a username related note, andrew is probably the most boring one Pigheads seen all day. That is all.


  • #60
    andrew
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,371 Mod ✭✭✭✭andrew


    I'm pretty proud of the fact that as a 13 year old n00b that I had the sense not to pick something like 'UlTrA_K0oL_03'

    Wait, UlTrA_K0oL_03 does have a kind of ring to it...


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  • #61
    thelordofcheese
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭thelordofcheese


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    And yes Fanny Cradock there are feminist men out there.

    Bill Bailey
    Ade Edmondson and
    Patrick Stewart to mention three.

    Man, Patrick Stewart used to be cool......


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