Question for the girls

stevoman · 07-05-2008 03:50PM #1

Feminism!!! A touchy subject these days. but it doesnt seem to exsist in the crazy forms here that it does in america and other large nations.

What i want to know from you Irish girls is do you think feminism is the way forward, or are these ladies just plain nuts? Do you think that the feminist movement these days does more harm then good to the reputations of all you ladies in modern life?

http://www.feminist.com/

Above is just a random feminist site

Spud83 · 07-05-2008 03:52PM

There are no wommen on the internet so asking this here is rather pointless.

stevoman · 07-05-2008 03:53PM

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

There are no wommen on the internet so asking this here is rather pointless.

**agrees as he clicks on the next adult site***

LaVidaLoca · 07-05-2008 04:04PM

" these ladies just plain nuts"

Well, pretty much ALL women are feminist to some degree these days. And a good thing too. So I dont know who you're asking the question of.

Any woman who isnt at least nominally feminist nowadays is probably too old to read this website herself.

Dragan · 07-05-2008 04:06PM

The subject you are asking about means a million different things to a million different people, without some kind of context this thread = fail.

FruitLover · 07-05-2008 04:10PM

I think the word 'feminism' has chauvinistic connotations. I'm all for 'equalism' though.

Duggy747 · 07-05-2008 04:10PM

Ah, it's always a catch 22 situation.

When I hit a woman I get in trouble with them. Yet they give out to me because they want the same rights as us men and be treated like us. Thus when I hit a woman, I hit her as hard as I would a man. Tis confusing I'll tells ya!

Dragan · 07-05-2008 04:15PM

FruitLover wrote: »

I think the word 'feminism' has chauvinistic connotations. I'm all for 'equalism' though.

Thats right up there with holding the door perpetuating the stereotype in my mind.

It's just a word.

biko · 07-05-2008 04:34PM

When women get equal pay for work and boys manage to wash their own clothes at 15, that's when feminism can relax :rolleyes:
Btw, like the new rolleyes

2006
Following a battle lasting almost two years, National Union of Journalists UK and Ireland (NUJ) member Ciara O’Brien has won a major victory in the Irish Equality Tribunal. The NUJ took a claim for equal pay against Dublin-based publishing company Computerscope Ltd., which published technology titles PC Live, Computerscope and Smart Company.

In a decision released on September 19, the Equality Officer found that Ciara was discriminated against on the grounds of gender and age and was victimised for exercising her rights under the Act. Publishing magnate Frank Quinn was ordered to pay the complainant equal pay for a period of almost two years in addition to €5,000 for the effects of discrimination. He was also ordered to pay €10,000 in compensation for the effects of victimisation following pressure being put on Ciara to drop the case.

The Equality Officer found that there was no objective justification for the difference in pay and that the company failed to rebut the NUJ’s claim of discrimination on the gender and age ground.

Rob_l · 07-05-2008 04:36PM

damn Apple eaters should never have equality

stevenmu · 07-05-2008 04:37PM

Irish women have always been in charge. For Irish women "feminism" means not only ruling half of our lives, but also taking over places like offices and golf clubs where we've traditionally been able to take a bit of a break from them.

Being serious, traditionally Irish women have been very strong and there hasn't been the same need for the more radical feminist movements other countries have had.

ergonomics · 07-05-2008 04:42PM

I studied a fair bit of feminism in college and agree with some of it but I don't run around demanding equal rights or anything but I don't want men just assuming I can't do the things they do just as well. I'll give anything a try.

I work as a chef on a deli in a supermarket. Part of my job involves cooking whole chickens, 12 at a time. The owner of the shop (male) went mental at me the other day and told me that female members of staff are not allowed to take the 12 chickens from the fridge as they are too heavy and we'll just hurt our weak little selfs. We have to ask one of the male members of the staff to get them. I told him to basically feck off with himself. I am strong enough to carry them, and just because I have a vagina doesn't mean I'm going to do myself damage by picking up the chickens. I refused to ask a male member of staff to get the chickens and told the owner that if he continued to stop me he would be sorry.

That's about as feminist as I get. I don't run around burning my bras or anything like that!

Rob_l · 07-05-2008 04:47PM

ergonomics wrote: »

That's about as feminist as I get. I don't run around burning my bras or anything like that!

Is this because inflation has hit the price of bra's?

_feedback_ · 07-05-2008 04:53PM

ergonomics wrote: »

just because I have a vagina doesn't mean I'm going to do myself damage by picking up the chickens

Ha

don't know why, but the words vagina and chickens in the same sentence just made me laugh.

What bracket does it come under if I dislike the women an work that are CONSTANTLY talking about children, and CONSISTENTLY taking time off work (not holidays) because of the children?

And if I was an employer and decided not to employ a woman because she was going to or has children... i'd be hung, drawn and quartered.

Just think it's uunfair... If i had to bring the dog to the vet, the boss would laugh at me.

Don't think this comes under the thread title... but wanted that off me chest. Thanks

Pighead · 07-05-2008 05:05PM

With the dawn of feminism the Brits decided to give a chick a go at running their country and lets face it, she made a mess of things. You had your chance girls and you blew it.

The chicks will counter with "But but Pighead if there were more women in power then their would be an end to war and killing people" But thats balderdash, war would still be rife, it would just be the causes that would change. Pighead can see the headlines now.

"America and China go to war over Clintons "Big Bum" jibe to her Chinese counterpart"

_feedback_ · 07-05-2008 05:11PM

Pighead wrote: »

"America and China go to war over Clintons "Big Bum" jibe to her Chinese counterpart"

Tupins · 07-05-2008 05:16PM

I think the word 'feminism' has changed in meaning over the years. It first started when women basically had no rights in comparison to men and this was the word used to try to change that. Nowadays (supposedly) women have equal rights to men so that's probably why you don't hear so much about it.

Having said that, there are still situations where inequality exists, I'm sure every woman reading this has an example - but you will also find discrimination against men (eg the media making them out to be thick etc). I think the mistake that people make is to interchange the word 'equal' with 'same'. Women and men can be equal but that doesn't mean they are the same and it doesn't mean it's a bad thing - we should celebrate the differences and accept that sometimes women are better in certain situations and men in others, it doesn't mean one sex is superior than the other.

For the woman with the chickens - maybe your boss didn't mean to patronise you as being 'weak'. In general men are stronger physically than woman - that's a fact! There are actually different legal limitations on how much weight women and men are allowed to lift at work. Perhaps he's afraid of getting into trouble with the law??? If you hurt yourself while lifting something heavy he could be sued or something. I personally am not very physically strong and always ask one of the guys at work to lift anything heavy but if you feel you are capable of lifting that weight then fair play to you, everyone knows their own strength.

Anyway, I'll get off my soap box now.......

RedXIV · 07-05-2008 05:20PM

I reckon it's time for a male movement! Lads get the blame for EVERYTHING these days! Women have surpassed the equality mark and now they get everything!

this has nothing to do with the quote i received for my car insurance! :mad:

slipss · 07-05-2008 05:49PM

Tupins wrote: »

I think the word 'feminism' has changed in meaning over the years. It first started when women basically had no rights in comparison to men and this was the word used to try to change that. Nowadays (supposedly) women have equal rights to men so that's probably why you don't hear so much about it.

Having said that, there are still situations where inequality exists, I'm sure every woman reading this has an example - but you will also find discrimination against men (eg the media making them out to be thick etc). I think the mistake that people make is to interchange the word 'equal' with 'same'. Women and men can be equal but that doesn't mean they are the same and it doesn't mean it's a bad thing - we should celebrate the differences and accept that sometimes women are better in certain situations and men in others, it doesn't mean one sex is superior than the other.

For the woman with the chickens - maybe your boss didn't mean to patronise you as being 'weak'. In general men are stronger physically than woman - that's a fact! There are actually different legal limitations on how much weight women and men are allowed to lift at work. Perhaps he's afraid of getting into trouble with the law??? If you hurt yourself while lifting something heavy he could be sued or something. I personally am not very physically strong and always ask one of the guys at work to lift anything heavy but if you feel you are capable of lifting that weight then fair play to you, everyone knows their own strength.

Anyway, I'll get off my soap box now.......

I was a bit baffled there for a minute. A sensible, well thought out, inteligent non-sensational awnser to a question. Then I spotted the problem, you're new here. I think what you meant to say was "I blame the Polish gypsy traveler taxi drivers that wear celtic jerseys and speak with a Cork accent" and then point out a spelling mistake someone made in a previous post, don't worry you'll get the hang of it.

No but seriously good post.

Sherifu · 07-05-2008 07:08PM

In before thaed.

07-05-2008 07:37PM

stevoman wrote: »

Feminism!!! A touchy subject these days. but it doesnt seem to exsist in the crazy forms here that it does in america and other large nations.

I'm in university past couple years across the pond, and you appear behind times if you think that feminism is evidenced as "crazy" in the USA. It may have been way back when (along with Fred Flintstone male counterpart stereotypes), but it's pretty subtle now. Sure, you get a few on the noise-making vocal fringe no matter where you go (that the media exaggerates to sell advertising), but that's not the norm anymore. Women are fitting in and contributing, and many men seem to appreciate it now.

The USA has their first female Speaker-of-the-House in Congress, there's a serious female Clinton contender for the White House 2008 elections, and if you can believe The Chronicle of Higher Education, there are now more women enrolled in university than men (as well as more women enrolled in university business majors than men) in the USA.

Now, that does not mean that women have fully reached occupational equality in the USA... although there have been improvements over here, many women still do not get equal pay for equal work, and the CEO slots of the Fortune 500 could stand to have better representation, but structural change is gradual and is occurring. With more female university graduates hitting the marketplace than men over then next few decades, things will continue to change, and without all the fuss of the past.

4Xcut · 07-05-2008 08:39PM

ergonomics wrote: »

I studied a fair bit of feminism in college and agree with some of it but I don't run around demanding equal rights or anything but I don't want men just assuming I can't do the things they do just as well. I'll give anything a try.

I work as a chef on a deli in a supermarket. Part of my job involves cooking whole chickens, 12 at a time. The owner of the shop (male) went mental at me the other day and told me that female members of staff are not allowed to take the 12 chickens from the fridge as they are too heavy and we'll just hurt our weak little selfs. We have to ask one of the male members of the staff to get them. I told him to basically feck off with himself. I am strong enough to carry them, and just because I have a vagina doesn't mean I'm going to do myself damage by picking up the chickens. I refused to ask a male member of staff to get the chickens and told the owner that if he continued to stop me he would be sorry.

That's about as feminist as I get. I don't run around burning my bras or anything like that!

He was probably covering his own back. With the compo claim culture in Ireland now its something that is possible. Not saying you would but you can hear it now, "Wah, Wah, I hurt my back because I wasn't told not to lift things that were too heavy for me by my manager, Wah Wah"

And no, I'm not just refering to women. But on average, men are physically stronger and legislation tends to focus on averages for safety guidelines.

kowloon · 07-05-2008 10:12PM

slipss wrote: »

Polish gypsy traveler taxi drivers that wear celtic jerseys and speak with a Cork accent

The bastards are back!?!?
Fetch me my fightin' stick. You can only fight poles with poles.

Lockstep · 07-05-2008 10:28PM

feminism my foot.

Whenever I make claims about women not making good pilots or the size of Britney Spears' jugs the wife accuses me of sexism.
Yet whenever I give her a backhander she whines about it being wrong to hit a lass.
The hypocricy confounds me.

Capt'n Midnight · 07-05-2008 11:00PM

biko wrote:

When women get equal pay for work

some stats say that women aget 15% less pay than males in the same jobs.
15% ? That is a huge margin in todays economy any company that could benefit from that would make a killing.

Or you could believe another survey that shows that women were typically less qualified than males in the same job.

Re carrying 12 chickens, health and safety rules are different for the weights men and women can carry

Capt'n Midnight · 07-05-2008 11:13PM

http://michelemiller.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/suffrage_poster_3.jpg

leninbenjamin · 07-05-2008 11:30PM

ergonomics wrote: »

I work as a chef on a deli in a supermarket. Part of my job involves cooking whole chickens, 12 at a time. The owner of the shop (male) went mental at me the other day and told me that female members of staff are not allowed to take the 12 chickens from the fridge as they are too heavy and we'll just hurt our weak little selfs. We have to ask one of the male members of the staff to get them. I told him to basically feck off with himself. I am strong enough to carry them, and just because I have a vagina doesn't mean I'm going to do myself damage by picking up the chickens. I refused to ask a male member of staff to get the chickens and told the owner that if he continued to stop me he would be sorry.

actually there are laws in place that limit the amount women can lift on their own (can't remember the exact figure, but it's pisstakingly low). if you f*cked up he'd be liable no matter what. he was well within his rights to tell you to stop if he felt the weight was excessive. c'est la vie.

07-05-2008 11:35PM

leninbenjamin wrote: »

actually there are laws in place that limit the amount women can lift on their own (can't remember the exact figure, but it's pisstakingly low). if you f*cked up he'd be liable no matter what. he was well within his rights to tell you to stop if he felt the weight was excessive. c'est la vie.

If I haven't blanked all of the expierence that was my last manual handling course, nobody should lift more than 20 kg unaided.

tribulus · 07-05-2008 11:44PM

Moonbaby wrote: »

If I haven't blanked all of the expierence that was my last manual handling course, nobody should lift more than 20 kg unaided.

That's very low.

leninbenjamin · 07-05-2008 11:57PM

Moonbaby wrote: »

If I haven't blanked all of the expierence that was my last manual handling course, nobody should lift more than 20 kg unaided.

hmmm.... subsequent googling suggests the limits have been removed. my mistake.

Fanny Cradock · 08-05-2008 12:05AM

I'm quite sure that there are feminist men out there.

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