How quickly can you learn to speak Polish?

SimpleSam06 · 19-04-2008 04:27PM #1

Because you may have to if Conor Lenihan, minister for integration, has his way. The good minister plans to give the vote in national elections to non Irish nationals from Europe, with the only criteria being that you can speak English. Oh and it gets better:

Lenihan rejected capping the numbers of foreign workers legally entering the Republic, even in the face of economic downturn.

Not content with completely squandering the whole economic boom, these clamshells are now selling the nation down the river. What is this, Bertie's parting gift?

No caps on migrants coming in from other countries, and they are given full voting priveleges - it would almost make sense for some enterprising Eastern European government to pay a million or so people to move over here for a few years and then annex the place. Maybe thats a bit alarmist, but for christs sake.

And naturally, nobody asked the Irish people what they thought of this little scheme.

Unaton · 19-04-2008 04:34PM

"And naturally, nobody asked the Irish people what they thought of this little scheme."

This is a EU scheme. If you are living in Spain, you can vote there. If a Pole is living in Belgium, he can vote there. (in EU electtions) So now he just wants to apply this scheme to national elections. But to be honest I don't see why non-Irish would be interested in voting here.

Guy:Incognito · 19-04-2008 04:41PM

Unaton wrote: »

"But to be honest I don't see why non-Irish would be interested in voting here.

To vote in some commi's then leg it.

19-04-2008 04:48PM

Unaton wrote: »

But to be honest I don't see why non-Irish would be interested in voting here.

I've seen non-irish nationals registered and bused to the polls during working hours. So that they might support their employers prefered candidate.

Unaton · 19-04-2008 04:52PM

Moonbaby wrote: »

I've seen non-irish nationals registered and bused to the polls during working hours. So that they might support their employers prefered candidate.

Um that's probably true. But will a few buses full of Poles change the outcome of the national elections?

On the other hand, they are working here, living here, paying taxes, their kids go to school here so why wouldn't they be allowed to vote? Nowadays, non-Irish nationals are also a part of our society, we just can't ignore that.

Ekancone · 19-04-2008 04:58PM

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

Because you may have to if Conor Lenihan, minister for integration, has his way. The good minister plans to give the vote in national elections to non Irish nationals from Europe, with the only criteria being that you can speak English. Oh and it gets better:

Not content with completely squandering the whole economic boom, these clamshells are now selling the nation down the river. What is this, Bertie's parting gift?

No caps on migrants coming in from other countries, and they are given full voting priveleges - it would almost make sense for some enterprising Eastern European government to pay a million or so people to move over here for a few years and then annex the place. Maybe thats a bit alarmist, but for christs sake.

And naturally, nobody asked the Irish people what they thought of this little scheme.

:rolleyes:

LurkingLady · 19-04-2008 05:02PM

Moonbaby wrote: »

I've seen non-irish nationals registered and bused to the polls during working hours. So that they might support their employers prefered candidate.

Anyone who knows anything about Polish history between 1945 and 1989 knows that the Poles at the very least won't stand for it.

Sherifu · 19-04-2008 05:03PM

Wait for enough of them to move here and we can take over Poland. Who'll be laughing then when the sea level rises, eh eh.

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

it would almost make sense for some enterprising Eastern European government to pay a million or so people to move over here for a few years and then annex the place.

Belongs in humour.

damnyanks · 19-04-2008 05:03PM

I'm living in the UK and am allowed to vote in all the polls here. I can vote at home as well.

In that regard I'm more important then you lot.

Canis Lupus · 19-04-2008 05:04PM

Gosh..... Allowing people who live in Ireland, pay taxes etc etc to have a vote?

Shocking stuff.... But maybe you're right. It's obvious the current Irish voters are voting in the right bunch of politicians as it is.....

I love the way the article choses to highlight that Polish, Czechs and Slovakians (They're stealing our jawbs) will be able to vote and nicely dumps all the 'acceptable' countries into "other EU states".

gsxr1 · 19-04-2008 05:09PM

I am feeling the pinch now with the shortage of work in construction and have a crippeling mortgage. Just like most of us.

We really dont need any more cheap foreign workers taking whats left of the work.

The government should have a good look at where they also come from and start looking after there own.

Voting is for the citizens :mad:

19-04-2008 05:20PM

LurkingLady wrote: »

Anyone who knows anything about Polish history between 1945 and 1989 knows that the Poles at the very least won't stand for it.

Who is to say what they did when when they got there. But most of the staff would be Polish and afaik they didn't object.

Holsten · 19-04-2008 05:21PM

Wow.. what a joke.

Lenihan is some ****in thick.

DublinWriter · 19-04-2008 05:26PM

Yes, Irish people whinging about immigration. The ironing is delicious.

Damn those hard working Poles coming over here, paying their taxes and keeping the economy afloat. How dare we allow them have a say in the government.

People coming into the country to work = good for the economy. Don't believe me? Look at the US, a country founded on immigration. If they took the 12 million illegals out of the system right now, the entire economy would collapse as it would be like taking the bottom rung out of the economic ladder.

I just love all these Irish 'patriots' who wear English Premiership jerseys, can't speak their own language and whinge about people wanting to come here to work.

19-04-2008 05:27PM

I did think this thread was going to be about free Polish lessons and I'm disappointed now.

LurkingLady · 19-04-2008 05:29PM

Moonbaby wrote: »

I did think this thread was going to be about free Polish lessons and I'm disappointed now.

+1
Same here. Was sure someone was looking for some Polish classes or something

dotsman · 19-04-2008 05:34PM

I don't see how giving them a basic fundamental right is a bad thing for anybody. In a way, it might benefit us! They're not likely to have any loyalty to a particular party/politician and therefore view the candidates in an unbiased fashion and actually vote for the best person!

As regards not capping the amount coming in. Don't think this makes a difference. As soon as there's not enough jobs for them, they're hardly going to leave their friends and family to come over here to a country where there's people who will automatically take a dislike to them because of where they were born just to do nothing!

Kerry people don't move to Leitrim (if such a place exists:p) for a reason! If anywhere they end up in Cork/Dublin etc where the jobs are or else stay at home.

Wertz · 19-04-2008 05:35PM

If it eventually ousts FF then it's all good. Not happy about no cap on migrant worker numbers though since I'm more or less in the same boat as gsxr1...work gone south (either there's none or there's some one willing to do it for much less than I can even afford to do it for) rising bills and rent...

BTW just lol at this notion of NIN workers "keeping the economy afloat"...keep waving that tired old flag in this argument, but it's patent bullsh*t in reality. They may have added a short term boost but in the long run it will cost us all...

Ekancone · 19-04-2008 05:37PM

People need to remember that the one country that allowed unfettered immigration and gave the right to vote to those immigrants turned out to be the most prosperous countrys on earth. Such things dont neccessarily lead to a nations destruction, dig your head out of Malthus' ass for a second, will you?

Wertz · 19-04-2008 05:38PM

How in the hell can you compare a nation the size of the US with an island the size of Ireland?

Tha Gopher · 19-04-2008 05:45PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I love the way the article choses to highlight that Polish, Czechs and Slovakians (They're stealing our jawbs) .

Yes. In some industries, they are.

Do you have any response or would you prefer to serve us some more delicious PC waffles?

We certainly needed migrants but it should have been on a renewable permit basis.

DublinWriter wrote: »

Yes, Irish people whinging about immigration. The ironing is delicious.

Ever fcuking time, this same point :rolleyes:

In the 1980s, the UK, itself strugling with rising unemployment, should not have allowed unchecked travel and migration from a country with 25% unemployment that was home to a large amount of people intent on planting bombs in Britain. Not to mention the amount of alcoholic Irish who became a burden on the health, crime and housing services there.

They did let us in. The result? Our dole queue had a breather. A few bombs were planted, and we probably managed to throw a few undesirables out. It still goes on- ask residents of certain villages outside London how they like the fact their government has allowed thousands of friendly Irish travellers to camp there. Just because the inaction of the Brits helped our economy it doesnt mean we are duty bound to also be as irresponsible.

Moonbaby wrote:

I did think this thread was going to be about free Polish lessons and I'm disappointed now.

So am I. I might be able to order the correct sandwich in work if it was :pac:

Ekancone · 19-04-2008 05:47PM

Wertz wrote: »

How in the hell can you compare a nation the size of the US with an island the size of Ireland?

I wished to dispell the belief that immigration and giving rights to immigrants does not always lead to destruction. In fact, I cant think of any instances in modern history where this is so.

Ekancone · 19-04-2008 05:48PM

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Yes. In some industries, they are.

Do you have any response or would you prefer to serve us some more delicious PC waffles?

We certainly needed migrants but it should have been on a renewable permit basis.

Ever fcuking time, this same point :rolleyes:

In the 1980s, the UK, itself strugling with rising unemployment, should not have allowed unchecked travel and migration from a country with 25% unemployment that was home to a large amount of people intent on planting bombs in Britain. Not to mention the amount of alcoholic Irish who became a burden on the health, crime and housing services there.

They did let us in. The result? Our dole queue had a breather. A few bombs were planted, and we probably managed to throw a few undesirables out. It still goes on- ask residents of certain villages outside London how they like the fact their government has allowed thousands of friendly Irish travellers to camp there. Just because the inaction of the Brits helped our economy it doesnt mean we are duty bound to also be as irresponsible.

So am I. I might be able to order the correct sandwich in work if it was :pac:

Wow, my bigotometer just exploded.

Tha Gopher · 19-04-2008 05:51PM

daithifleming wrote: »

Wow, my bigotometer just exploded.

Really? My retarded post radar blew a ****ing fuse!

So what is your solution Sherlock? Wanna give an unemployed builder your job?

Out of curiousity are East Europeans who think we let too many people in racist against themselves?

Or are you one of these keybpoard warriors who hasnt actually ever met one?

Turbodreams · 19-04-2008 05:57PM

DublinWriter wrote: »

Yes, Irish people whinging about immigration. The ironing is delicious.

Damn those hard working Poles coming over here, paying their taxes and keeping the economy afloat. How dare we allow them have a say in the government.

People coming into the country to work = good for the economy. Don't believe me? Look at the US, a country founded on immigration. If they took the 12 million illegals out of the system right now, the entire economy would collapse as it would be like taking the bottom rung out of the economic ladder.

I just love all these Irish 'patriots' who wear English Premiership jerseys, can't speak their own language and whinge about people wanting to come here to work.

i work with about 10 polish men during the summer when im not in college. now, 8 out of those 10 send approx. 70-80% of their wages back home to poland for their families, relatives etc.
i am not being smart here, i genuinely would like to know the answer- how can this be good for our economy? surely it has a detrimental effect?

Ekancone · 19-04-2008 06:01PM

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Really? My retarded post radar blew a ****ing fuse!

That must happen often.

Tha Gopher wrote: »

So what is your solution Sherlock? Wanna give an unemployed builder your job?

I would advise him/her to retrain. The boom is over and it isn't coming back

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Out of curiousity are East Europeans who think we let too many people in racist against themselves?

I didn't say racist, I said bigot. And yes, they are, and hypocrites to boot.

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Or are you one of these keybpoard warriors who hasnt actually ever met one?

No I havent, I must have missed the 250,000 or so that are flying around the place. :rolleyes:

I am curious though, if i hadnt met one, how would that invalidate my opinion? Take your time with this one.

DublinWriter · 19-04-2008 06:02PM

Tha Gopher wrote: »

So am I. I might be able to order the correct sandwich in work if it was :pac:

So you are saying that all Poles are good for is sandwich making?

I think your attitude stems from the basic insecurity that the Poles, like most immigrant groups, will start working their way up the economic value-chain.

In all fairness, and this is completely subjective, I've never heard any professional-class Irish person complain about immigration. The only ones I've ever heard bitch about them were those who worked in unskilled labour or were on the scratch.

Jigsaw · 19-04-2008 06:03PM

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Yes. In some industries, they are.

Do you have any response or would you prefer to serve us some more delicious PC waffles?

We certainly needed migrants but it should have been on a renewable permit basis.

Ever fcuking time, this same point :rolleyes:

In the 1980s, the UK, itself strugling with rising unemployment, should not have allowed unchecked travel and migration from a country with 25% unemployment that was home to a large amount of people intent on planting bombs in Britain. Not to mention the amount of alcoholic Irish who became a burden on the health, crime and housing services there.

They did let us in. The result? Our dole queue had a breather. A few bombs were planted, and we probably managed to throw a few undesirables out. It still goes on- ask residents of certain villages outside London how they like the fact their government has allowed thousands of friendly Irish travellers to camp there. Just because the inaction of the Brits helped our economy it doesnt mean we are duty bound to also be as irresponsible.

So am I. I might be able to order the correct sandwich in work if it was :pac:

Excellent post.

Ekancone · 19-04-2008 06:03PM

Turbodreams wrote: »

i work with about 10 polish men during the summer when im not in college. now, 8 out of those 10 send approx. 70-80% of their wages back home to poland for their families, relatives etc.
i am not being smart here, i genuinely would like to know the answer- how can this be good for our economy? surely it has a detrimental effect?

Do they not create wealth with their labour? Do they send the buildings they construct home as well? The Irish followed the same tactics for much of the 20th century, did their host country collapse?

Turbodreams · 19-04-2008 06:06PM

daithifleming wrote: »

Do they not create wealth with their labour? Do they send the buildings they construct home as well? The Irish followed the same tactics for much of the 20th century, did their host country collapse?

and the answer to the question is where?? :rolleyes:

ninty9er · 19-04-2008 06:07PM

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Really? My retarded post radar blew a ****ing fuse!

So what is your solution Sherlock? Wanna give an unemployed builder your job?

Out of curiousity are East Europeans who think we let too many people in racist against themselves?

Or are you one of these keybpoard warriors who hasnt actually ever met one?

There is massive construction going on on infrastructure in this country. Any builder who wants WORK as opposed to the OVERPAID work they've been getting for the last number of years will find it.

God help us, they might even have to find out what it's like to live on €3k a month.

Fook sake!!

If a builder wants work they'll find it, if they don't find any they're a lazy arsewipe.

How quickly can you learn to speak Polish?

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