Tibet - Do you really care????

stevoman · 15-04-2008 04:21PM #1

Everyones going on about this free Tibet nuisance lately and i for one am sick of it. I think it would suit all the do-gooders a whole lot better if they all started looking at thier social issues domestically before they jump on their hippy band wagon and make their way to the olympics.
What do you think?

Jigsaw · 15-04-2008 04:25PM

I agree with you.

I'm not saying it makes me a better or worse person but I don't give a damn about Tibet. I'm fairly sure that no one in Tibet gives a damn about me. As you say, people ought to concentrate their efforts on sorting out domestic issues before sticking their oar in somewhere else.

In general I hate protestors. Police state ftw.

Dennis the Stone · 15-04-2008 04:28PM

Darfur was the fashionable cause for a while, now it's Tibet. We're just trying to pass the time until Dustin's Eurovision appearance

ScumLord · 15-04-2008 04:29PM

stevoman wrote: »

Everyones going on about this free Tibet nuisance lately and i for one am sick of it.

That's probably what the English where saying about us 150 years ago. Free Tibet, it'll shut them up.

connundrum · 15-04-2008 04:32PM

I fuckin hate hippies.

And I agree that if everyone who wanted to get involved in international protests actually put that effort into helping with domestic issues - then a lot more things would get done.

Re: last nights Questions and Answers on RTE1 - I can't take an Irish person seriously when they bang on about the struggle etc facing the people in a far flung place. I just can't do it.

In the same way that if someone comes back from Australia/ The East telling me how they've found themselves, I walk away.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 15-04-2008 04:34PM

so you don't care about people if they're not irish?

ScumLord · 15-04-2008 04:35PM

connundrum wrote: »

Re: last nights Questions and Answers on RTE1 - I can't take an Irish person seriously when they bang on about the struggle etc facing the people in a far flung place. I just can't do it.

Why not? I think allot of people don't want to know so they won't feel guilty living the high life while millions suffer making our designer clothes and living in tin sheds.

stevoman · 15-04-2008 04:38PM

ScumLord wrote: »

living the high life while millions suffer making our designer clothes and living in tin sheds.

Personally, i let the guilt of that rest on the shoulders of the man who owns and makes the people do the work. i just buy the runners etc, i dont put a gun to an asians head and get him to stitch them togtether for me. i work for the money to pay for them.

stevoman · 15-04-2008 04:40PM

ScumLord wrote: »

That's probably what the English where saying about us 150 years ago. Free Tibet, it'll shut them up.

We fought our own fight and didnt have the international community's krusty's standing outside every olympic body shouting and waving placards though!

admiralofthefleet · 15-04-2008 04:41PM

couldnt give a fiddlers

Canis Lupus · 15-04-2008 04:41PM

There's always someone on the bottom of the **** heap is my opinion.

I'm glad it's not me and that's about as far as my concern goes.

ScumLord · 15-04-2008 04:42PM

stevoman wrote: »

We fought our own fight and didnt have the international community's krusty's standing outside shouting and waving placards though!

Yes we did. The Americans gave us loads of support they almost completely fell out with the Birts over it. Even the Nazis gave us a helping hand.

Rob_l · 15-04-2008 04:42PM

connundrum wrote: »

I fuckin hate hippies.

And I agree that if everyone who wanted to get involved in international protests actually put that effort into helping with domestic issues - then a lot more things would get done.

Re: last nights Questions and Answers on RTE1 - I can't take an Irish person seriously when they bang on about the struggle etc facing the people in a far flung place. I just can't do it.

In the same way that if someone comes back from Australia/ The East telling me how they've found themselves, I walk away.

I hear ya brother

In fact if all these people banging on about the Olympics wanted to make a difference all they have to do is stop buying goods made in China imagine the instant effect a world wide slump in chinese products would have but that would be too proactive a step and no one would know how much of a do gooder they are, so tis better for them to moan moan moan and do nothing

vorbis · 15-04-2008 04:43PM

this is similiar to the begrudgery argument that people have towards chairty giving. Whats happening in Tibet is suppression of a people. Its not the only place in the world thats happening. Yet the fact that it happens in more than one place causes people to beleive that they shouldn't care about any of them ?????

Rob_l · 15-04-2008 04:44PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Yes we did. The Americans gave us loads of support they almost completely fell out with the Birts over it. Even the Nazis gave us a helping hand.

sorry what?

American sided with briatain and I believe the american agreed that should britain feel the need to invade us for theyre own security during world war two they would have allowed it.

Sorry what exactly did the nazis do for us?

Rob_l · 15-04-2008 04:45PM

vorbis wrote: »

this is similiar to the begrudgery argument that people have towards chairty giving. Whats happening in Tibet is suppression of a people. Its not the only place in the world thats happening. Yet the fact that it happens in more than one place causes people to beleive that they shouldn't care about any of them ?????

Ah come on most people give to charity so they feel good not because they really care about the issues

stevoman · 15-04-2008 04:46PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Yes we did. The Americans gave us loads of support they almost completely fell out with the Birts over it. Even the Nazis gave us a helping hand.

With all due respect im not going to argue any these points with you, simply because i dont care (about tibet). Thats why i started this thread.;)

Canis Lupus · 15-04-2008 04:46PM

This tbh.

ScumLord · 15-04-2008 04:53PM

Rob_l wrote: »

sorry what?

American sided with briatain and I believe the american agreed that should britain feel the need to invade us for theyre own security during world war two they would have allowed it.

Sorry what exactly did the nazis do for us?

The Nazis tried to give us guns and the vast majority of funding always came from the US.

Rob_l · 15-04-2008 04:57PM

ScumLord wrote: »

The Nazis tried to give us guns and the vast majority of funding always came from the US.

The nazi's laughed at the IRA as a tiny crazy organisation because DeValera had them running scared during world war 2 because he was afriad that if they attacked britain, britain would attack us and we would not be able to defend ourselves.

All germans who landed here were interned we got nothing from the germans because during the nazi period of 1930 to 1940's we were an independent country and not fighting a war against england

Neutrality and all

stevoman · 15-04-2008 04:58PM

ScumLord wrote: »

The Nazis tried to give us guns and the vast majority of funding always came from the US.

Okay one more quote and then im done.

1 - nazi's tried to give us guns with the alterier motive of us fighting the british to make their invasion of england easier.
Hitler also planned to invade Ireland.

2 - Funding from the U.S never came from any goverment body. All Funds raised were by Irish immigrants or people of Irish/american decendency.

ScumLord · 15-04-2008 05:02PM

stevoman wrote: »

Okay one more quote and then im done.

2 - Funding from the U.S never came from any goverment body. All Funds raised were by Irish immigrants or people of Irish/american decendency.

Yeah that's waht I said. I never mentioned the government. All you've done is agree with me on both points.

connundrum · 15-04-2008 05:05PM

vorbis wrote: »

Its not the only place in the world thats happening. Yet the fact that it happens in more than one place causes people to beleive that they shouldn't care about any of them ?????

I do care about all of them, as I am human and hate the thought of any other human suffering unnecessarily. However, I don't care for bandwagoning, which seems to happen with every international type event that has occurred in the recent past.

I remember a woman getting upset with me when I showed little emotion for the Madeline McCann story. My thinking was that there are a thousand other cases of the same type, while I care for them all, I'm not going to start crying because of one case.

This is my thinking with charity too.

As for the OP's question - Do I really care? No. Honestly no. I'm probably too self involved what with my job, relationship, family, etc. I watch the news and and disgusted by whats going on over there, as much as I'm disgusted with the state of our health system - which is allowing people to die on a weekly basis.

stevoman · 15-04-2008 05:06PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Yes we did. The Americans gave us loads of support they almost completely fell out with the Birts over it. Even the Nazis gave us a helping hand.

No im not agreeing with you. My point is about international support. Sub groups within a nation does not neccesarally count as international support IMO. meh, anyways im off home, im going to "free" myself from this dump. Good luck!

AngryBadger · 15-04-2008 05:11PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Why not? I think allot of people don't want to know so they won't feel guilty living the high life while millions suffer making our designer clothes and living in tin sheds.

I think it's beene stablished that in many cases these situations are actually a stage in economic development, it's a complete over-simplification to automatically assume the people being paid "slave wages" are in a bad way.

In fact when questioned a lot of people in situations we would consider to be "slave labour" aspired to work in said conditions, because for the individual this was a step up the ladder. For the society it was a stage of economic growth.

In terms of Tibet, I don't know the history, so I'm not going to venture an opinion. I do think we should at the very least boycott the opening ceremony, since there's no disputing Chinas apalling human rights record there.

To be honest I'm more alarmed by the number of people who are getting pissed off with the constant coverage of Tibet because they feel that politics and sport should be kept seperate. Can someone explain this logic to me?

keefg · 15-04-2008 05:11PM

Rob_l wrote: »

Sorry what exactly did the nazis do for us?

They gave us the VW Beetle

gcgirl · 15-04-2008 05:11PM

Personally i would rather worry about things in my own back garden like why do we have 31 kids in a class room and why are hospitals so over crowded and understaffed !! you know stuff like that i don't have the money to send my kids to a fee paying school nor do i have the money to get privete health insurance, so how does it really affect me this Tibet thing i don't know but one thing is for sure they have known for the last how long and only decided to do something now!! bull sH1te

Rob_l · 15-04-2008 05:13PM

keefg wrote: »

They gave us the VW Beetle

Just the one?
they must have loaded this with scumlords guns as well

TPD · 15-04-2008 05:25PM

I care about Tibet, but the other way: I dont think it should be given back.

Ponster · 15-04-2008 06:21PM

TPD wrote: »

I care about Tibet, but the other way: I dont think it should be given back.

That's not what the people from Tibet are asking for. They just want their leaders to stop being killed and their culture/religion/language from being erased from history. The majority aren't looking for independence, just respect.

Phil01 · 15-04-2008 06:35PM

I'm sick of all this free tibet stuff too. Sure its bad what happened and not right, but please leave it seperate from the olympics. The Olympics is about the athlete's. About your countries best against the world. I want to see the Olympics been about the athletes and the hard work they done to qualify for them, and not for it to be overshadowed by this tibet nonsence, that has no business been linked to the olympics.

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