Tibet - Do you really care????

stevoman

Everyones going on about this free Tibet nuisance lately and i for one am sick of it. I think it would suit all the do-gooders a whole lot better if they all started looking at thier social issues domestically before they jump on their hippy band wagon and make their way to the olympics.
What do you think?

Jigsaw

I agree with you.

I'm not saying it makes me a better or worse person but I don't give a damn about Tibet. I'm fairly sure that no one in Tibet gives a damn about me. As you say, people ought to concentrate their efforts on sorting out domestic issues before sticking their oar in somewhere else.

In general I hate protestors. Police state ftw.

Dennis the Stone

Darfur was the fashionable cause for a while, now it's Tibet. We're just trying to pass the time until Dustin's Eurovision appearance

ScumLord

stevoman wrote: »

Everyones going on about this free Tibet nuisance lately and i for one am sick of it.

That's probably what the English where saying about us 150 years ago. Free Tibet, it'll shut them up.

connundrum

I fuckin hate hippies.

And I agree that if everyone who wanted to get involved in international protests actually put that effort into helping with domestic issues - then a lot more things would get done.

Re: last nights Questions and Answers on RTE1 - I can't take an Irish person seriously when they bang on about the struggle etc facing the people in a far flung place. I just can't do it.

In the same way that if someone comes back from Australia/ The East telling me how they've found themselves, I walk away.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

so you don't care about people if they're not irish?

ScumLord

connundrum wrote: »

Re: last nights Questions and Answers on RTE1 - I can't take an Irish person seriously when they bang on about the struggle etc facing the people in a far flung place. I just can't do it.

Why not? I think allot of people don't want to know so they won't feel guilty living the high life while millions suffer making our designer clothes and living in tin sheds.

stevoman

ScumLord wrote: »

living the high life while millions suffer making our designer clothes and living in tin sheds.

Personally, i let the guilt of that rest on the shoulders of the man who owns and makes the people do the work. i just buy the runners etc, i dont put a gun to an asians head and get him to stitch them togtether for me. i work for the money to pay for them.

stevoman

ScumLord wrote: »

That's probably what the English where saying about us 150 years ago. Free Tibet, it'll shut them up.

We fought our own fight and didnt have the international community's krusty's standing outside every olympic body shouting and waving placards though!

admiralofthefleet

couldnt give a fiddlers

Canis Lupus

There's always someone on the bottom of the **** heap is my opinion.

I'm glad it's not me and that's about as far as my concern goes.

ScumLord

stevoman wrote: »

We fought our own fight and didnt have the international community's krusty's standing outside shouting and waving placards though!

Yes we did. The Americans gave us loads of support they almost completely fell out with the Birts over it. Even the Nazis gave us a helping hand.

Rob_l

connundrum wrote: »

I fuckin hate hippies.

And I agree that if everyone who wanted to get involved in international protests actually put that effort into helping with domestic issues - then a lot more things would get done.

Re: last nights Questions and Answers on RTE1 - I can't take an Irish person seriously when they bang on about the struggle etc facing the people in a far flung place. I just can't do it.

In the same way that if someone comes back from Australia/ The East telling me how they've found themselves, I walk away.

I hear ya brother

In fact if all these people banging on about the Olympics wanted to make a difference all they have to do is stop buying goods made in China imagine the instant effect a world wide slump in chinese products would have but that would be too proactive a step and no one would know how much of a do gooder they are, so tis better for them to moan moan moan and do nothing

vorbis

this is similiar to the begrudgery argument that people have towards chairty giving. Whats happening in Tibet is suppression of a people. Its not the only place in the world thats happening. Yet the fact that it happens in more than one place causes people to beleive that they shouldn't care about any of them ?????

Rob_l

ScumLord wrote: »

Yes we did. The Americans gave us loads of support they almost completely fell out with the Birts over it. Even the Nazis gave us a helping hand.

sorry what?

American sided with briatain and I believe the american agreed that should britain feel the need to invade us for theyre own security during world war two they would have allowed it.

Sorry what exactly did the nazis do for us?

Rob_l

vorbis wrote: »

this is similiar to the begrudgery argument that people have towards chairty giving. Whats happening in Tibet is suppression of a people. Its not the only place in the world thats happening. Yet the fact that it happens in more than one place causes people to beleive that they shouldn't care about any of them ?????

Ah come on most people give to charity so they feel good not because they really care about the issues

stevoman

ScumLord wrote: »

Yes we did. The Americans gave us loads of support they almost completely fell out with the Birts over it. Even the Nazis gave us a helping hand.

With all due respect im not going to argue any these points with you, simply because i dont care (about tibet). Thats why i started this thread.;)

Canis Lupus

This tbh.

ScumLord

Rob_l wrote: »

sorry what?

American sided with briatain and I believe the american agreed that should britain feel the need to invade us for theyre own security during world war two they would have allowed it.

Sorry what exactly did the nazis do for us?

The Nazis tried to give us guns and the vast majority of funding always came from the US.

Rob_l

ScumLord wrote: »

The Nazis tried to give us guns and the vast majority of funding always came from the US.

The nazi's laughed at the IRA as a tiny crazy organisation because DeValera had them running scared during world war 2 because he was afriad that if they attacked britain, britain would attack us and we would not be able to defend ourselves.

All germans who landed here were interned we got nothing from the germans because during the nazi period of 1930 to 1940's we were an independent country and not fighting a war against england

Neutrality and all

stevoman

ScumLord wrote: »

The Nazis tried to give us guns and the vast majority of funding always came from the US.

Okay one more quote and then im done.

1 - nazi's tried to give us guns with the alterier motive of us fighting the british to make their invasion of england easier.
Hitler also planned to invade Ireland.

2 - Funding from the U.S never came from any goverment body. All Funds raised were by Irish immigrants or people of Irish/american decendency.

ScumLord

stevoman wrote: »

Okay one more quote and then im done.

2 - Funding from the U.S never came from any goverment body. All Funds raised were by Irish immigrants or people of Irish/american decendency.

Yeah that's waht I said. I never mentioned the government. All you've done is agree with me on both points.

connundrum

vorbis wrote: »

Its not the only place in the world thats happening. Yet the fact that it happens in more than one place causes people to beleive that they shouldn't care about any of them ?????

I do care about all of them, as I am human and hate the thought of any other human suffering unnecessarily. However, I don't care for bandwagoning, which seems to happen with every international type event that has occurred in the recent past.

I remember a woman getting upset with me when I showed little emotion for the Madeline McCann story. My thinking was that there are a thousand other cases of the same type, while I care for them all, I'm not going to start crying because of one case.

This is my thinking with charity too.

As for the OP's question - Do I really care? No. Honestly no. I'm probably too self involved what with my job, relationship, family, etc. I watch the news and and disgusted by whats going on over there, as much as I'm disgusted with the state of our health system - which is allowing people to die on a weekly basis.

stevoman

ScumLord wrote: »

Yes we did. The Americans gave us loads of support they almost completely fell out with the Birts over it. Even the Nazis gave us a helping hand.

No im not agreeing with you. My point is about international support. Sub groups within a nation does not neccesarally count as international support IMO. meh, anyways im off home, im going to "free" myself from this dump. Good luck!

AngryBadger

ScumLord wrote: »

Why not? I think allot of people don't want to know so they won't feel guilty living the high life while millions suffer making our designer clothes and living in tin sheds.

I think it's beene stablished that in many cases these situations are actually a stage in economic development, it's a complete over-simplification to automatically assume the people being paid "slave wages" are in a bad way.

In fact when questioned a lot of people in situations we would consider to be "slave labour" aspired to work in said conditions, because for the individual this was a step up the ladder. For the society it was a stage of economic growth.

In terms of Tibet, I don't know the history, so I'm not going to venture an opinion. I do think we should at the very least boycott the opening ceremony, since there's no disputing Chinas apalling human rights record there.

To be honest I'm more alarmed by the number of people who are getting pissed off with the constant coverage of Tibet because they feel that politics and sport should be kept seperate. Can someone explain this logic to me?

keefg

Rob_l wrote: »

Sorry what exactly did the nazis do for us?

They gave us the VW Beetle

gcgirl

Personally i would rather worry about things in my own back garden like why do we have 31 kids in a class room and why are hospitals so over crowded and understaffed !! you know stuff like that i don't have the money to send my kids to a fee paying school nor do i have the money to get privete health insurance, so how does it really affect me this Tibet thing i don't know but one thing is for sure they have known for the last how long and only decided to do something now!! bull sH1te

Rob_l

keefg wrote: »

They gave us the VW Beetle

Just the one?
they must have loaded this with scumlords guns as well

TPD

I care about Tibet, but the other way: I dont think it should be given back.

Ponster

TPD wrote: »

I care about Tibet, but the other way: I dont think it should be given back.

That's not what the people from Tibet are asking for. They just want their leaders to stop being killed and their culture/religion/language from being erased from history. The majority aren't looking for independence, just respect.

Phil01

I'm sick of all this free tibet stuff too. Sure its bad what happened and not right, but please leave it seperate from the olympics. The Olympics is about the athlete's. About your countries best against the world. I want to see the Olympics been about the athletes and the hard work they done to qualify for them, and not for it to be overshadowed by this tibet nonsence, that has no business been linked to the olympics.

Ponster

Phil01 wrote: »

I'm sick of all this free tibet stuff too. Sure its bad what happened and not right, but please leave it seperate from the olympics.

Not a thread I really want to get involved in (due to it being in AH) but it's impossible to disassociate the Olympics Games with politics as for as long as I can remember both have always been mixed together.

I had started to list them all but wiki does a better job :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_in_the_Olympics

Trojan911

No, couldn't give a monkeys. Nothing to do with me.........

MrJoeSoap

I care. But not enough to do anything at the moment. Maybe next month I'll feel differently.

AngryBadger

Phil01 wrote: »

I'm sick of all this free tibet stuff too. Sure its bad what happened and not right, but please leave it seperate from the olympics. The Olympics is about the athlete's. About your countries best against the world. I want to see the Olympics been about the athletes and the hard work they done to qualify for them, and not for it to be overshadowed by this tibet nonsence, that has no business been linked to the olympics.

Why exactly does it have no business being linked to the olympics?

Would you feel the same if this were a non-sporting event?

de5p0i1er

I'm sick of ppl going on about whatever cause they think they can change by jamming up the streets of Dublin on a Saturday. I lost all patience with these ppl after coming home from Holiday and getting on a bus to Dublin city centre from the airport only to have him stop 3 miles out and make me walk the rest of the way with my luggage because of an anti war protest.

Acid_Violet

stevoman wrote: »

Personally, i let the guilt of that rest on the shoulders of the man who owns and makes the people do the work.

So you profit from the system by investing in it at the top rung of the ladder (the consumer). The system works because people invest in it.

I just buy the runners etc, i dont put a gun to an asians head and get him to stitch them togtether for me. i work for the money to pay for them.

The expression/cliché 'part of the problem or part of the solution' has never seemed more true to me than now tbh....

Acid_Violet

stevoman wrote: »

We fought our own fight and didnt have the international community's krusty's standing outside every olympic body shouting and waving placards though!

But what's wrong with that? What's wrong with demonstrating your disgust at a problem? What's wrong with trying to make a positive difference, even if it's only because it's 'fashionable' or in a country far away? It's still doing a lot more good for the world than cynical people condescending do.

Acid_Violet

Rob_l wrote: »

The nazi's laughed at the IRA as a tiny crazy organisation because DeValera had them running scared during world war 2 because he was afriad that if they attacked britain, britain would attack us and we would not be able to defend ourselves.

All germans who landed here were interned we got nothing from the germans because during the nazi period of 1930 to 1940's we were an independent country and not fighting a war against england

Neutrality and all

In so far as I know, the Nazi's just wanted to use Ireland to invade England, and the deal was made with teh 'RA to do that till some fella got taken out by the British on his way back from Germany. The Nazis would've probably put the Irish at the bottom of the food chain if the plan worked and they won the war, considering in the Nazi list of races which detailed the 'genetically best' races (Nazis at the top, Jews at the bottom) the Irish were down pretty low too. I know I'll be asked for sources, the invasion dealy from a likely to be exaggerated source (daddy), the list from the best history teacher in Ireland.

Rob_l

Acid_Violet wrote: »

In so far as I know, the Nazi's just wanted to use Ireland to invade England, and the deal was made with teh 'RA to do that till some fella got taken out by the British on his way back from Germany.

the nazis did send a representative to make contact witht he IRA but what they found in the 1940's was a group splintered with its leaders all locked up and no real support from the public. When the Germans realised what the IRA was the decided that in no way was this option viable

DeValera had done such a good job of stopping the IRA the organisation was nearly extinct after world war 2 and didn't really become a force again until the 1960's when the major trouble they were involved in with britain began.

At least thats what I took from Tim pat coogans The IRA

Acid_Violet

Rob_l wrote: »

At least thats what I took from Tim pat coogans The IRA

Well excuse me Mr. Smaertipants:p

Rob_l

Acid_Violet wrote: »

Well excuse me Mr. Smaertipants

Ok i'll excuse you but only becasue you misspelled the enboldened word

Jay D

I care that people in the world are treated like animals, I even hate the way bastards are cruel to animals as well....


sooo.......


you gotta love them Chinese shouting "China" walking by me on Henry St on sat too :pac:

Kold

Some disgusting attitudes here.

Phil01

AngryBadger wrote: »

Why exactly does it have no business being linked to the olympics?

Because its a sporting event about athlete's, its not the place for political demonstration. If i want to watch people demonstrate about tibet i would watch a free tibet rally then. And its the same for all events, not just the Olympics, in the European Swimming Championships in Holland a swimmer was stripped of his medal for a political tshirt.

AngryBadger wrote: »

Would you feel the same if this were a non-sporting event?

Yes i would, Why do people need to demonstrate at events, any demonstration should be kept separate away from events which have nothing to do with that demonstration. By demonstrating at the Olympics your just going to p*ss ppl off about tibet, and they will end up not giving a crap about tibet, of course maybe it would have the opposite affect for some ppl.

But my opinion is anyways that i dont want to hear about tibet while im watching the Olympics, even though i know i will be.

I'm not saying i dont care about the Tibetans, im just saying i dont want to see it in the Olympics or overshadow it.

beautiation

I don't think there's much of a parallel between Tibet under China and how Ireland was under Britain to be honest. Maybe if the British hadn't let us play GAA or express our culture in any way while they were in charge, or had left Ireland totally underdeveloped and messed up, or had treated us as second class citizens with few human rights, then maybe it would be valid (I know they were far from perfect in these regards, but they weren't that bad). If the Brits had ruled us with the iron fist China rules Tibet with, we'd never have been able to throw them off IMO. So, I don't think it's right for us to take this insular "sure, we managed it on our own, didn't we?" attitude. I hope this olympics gets absolutely destroyed by this issue, and that's as a big sports fan. Of course, I'd rather the international community doing something that would hurt them as well as a statement of intent, like cutting trade with China.

AngryBadger

I don't understand that mentality. If people want to highlight a cause of course they're going to use any event that gives them maximum exposure. Sure why bother demonstrating at all if no-one's watching you? But I suppose that's your whole point really isn't it. You don't want to be inconvenienced with the situation in the world as long as it doesn't affect you directly.

Wonderful.

Ivan

Its times like this I really hate people. Thats right, all 34 of you. You know who you are.

kowloon

Tibetans might not be any better off under a religious dictatorship than under the Chinese according to my mate.
Not sure if I agree, don't know much about it.

As for Ireland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRA_Abwehr_World_War_II

The Reich did plan to possibly invade Ireland under Fall Grun II.

The Brits would have sent troops south to relieve the Irish in the case of Invasion, not invaded us first.

phantom_lord

i don't give a ****. all those people protesting in ireland should go get jobs or something. as if they make one iota of a difference.

phantom_lord

Ivan wrote: »

Its times like this I really hate people. Thats right, all 34 of you. You know who you are.

boo hoo.