Uninsured untaxed polish driver crashed into my dads car - write off.

Ninja_scrotum · 05-04-2008 04:27PM #1

Oh yeah, no drivers licence either.

This has me so pissed off. Nice car and all, 2005 audi a4.

So what exactly will happen to the polish guy? Will he be fined? Jailed? Both I hope. It was a lovely feckin car:mad:

Melion · 05-04-2008 04:29PM

Probably nothing, he'll vanish like a fart in the wind

Ninja_scrotum · 05-04-2008 04:30PM

Feck. I want to shake the guy by the head and ask him what the shyte he was thinking.

Einstein · 05-04-2008 04:31PM

yup. Loada sheeeiite. He should be locked up. End of.

Gummy Panda · 05-04-2008 04:32PM

What did the garda say will happen?

RasTa · 05-04-2008 04:33PM

Deport him obviously.

sickpuppy · 05-04-2008 04:36PM

Polish guys response i no speak english,
why oh why did the iron curtain have to fall
our country is riddled like a terminally ill cancer patient with these fools.

Karoma · 05-04-2008 04:36PM

sickpuppy wrote: »

Polish guys response i no speak english,
why oh why did the iron curtain have to fall
our country is riddled like a terminally ill cancer patient with these fools.

...Infraction. Careful now.

Collie D · 05-04-2008 04:37PM

Well your dad will get his compo from the Motor Insurance Board or whatever they're called. They're there for that reason. At least nobody was hurt. If they catch the guy he will probably pick up a sizeable fine and a driving ban. Jail time is probably out of the question unless he gets done for dangerous driving as well.

StormWarrior · 05-04-2008 04:37PM

Will your dad's insurance pay for the damage?

Abi · 05-04-2008 04:37PM

"As it stands, foreign nationals using our roads enjoy all the rights of Irish nationals, but escape many of the responsibilities. So we end up blaming them for chaos on the roads, but the government sits on its hands and does nothing to level the playing field. There is anecdotal evidence that many eastern Europeans are driving without tax or insurance and generally behaving recklessly. Why? Because they have little fear of effective punishment if caught by the gardai. The problem here is that foreign drivers do not pick up penalty points for offences committed in the republic. Fines and disqualification can be applied, depending on the circumstances, but the potential accumulation of points is supposed to be the deterrent to bad driving. It’s a two-tier system that works against the Irish driver and is patently unfair. "
- Matt Cooper, "The Sunday Times"

Rowley Birkin QC · 05-04-2008 04:38PM

Yeah damn them and their help in keeping our economy afloat, damn them all to hell.:rolleyes:

Gummy Panda · 05-04-2008 04:38PM

RasTa wrote: »

Deport him obviously.

I don't think you can deport EU citizens that easily. I think there is a EU directive only allowing serious criminals to be deported.

sickpuppy · 05-04-2008 04:41PM

The guy is lucky his dad was not killed.
By a guy who should not be on the road cars can be repalces siblings cannot.
Keeping economy afloat my hole if dragging down wages and getting paid in cash is keeping it a float then there doinga good job

Collie D · 05-04-2008 04:43PM

sickpuppy wrote: »

Keeping economy afloat my hole if dragging down wages and getting paid in cash is keeping it a float then there doinga good job

:rolleyes:

Sigh! I can see where this is going

Ninja_scrotum · 05-04-2008 04:44PM

The Guards took the polish guy and his panic-stricken girlfriend away in the patrol car. Dunno what happened to them after that, probably not going to find out. Their car was a write off too. My dad was grand thank feck.

And if the guy gets a driving ban, do you think that's gonna work? No way!

projectmayhem · 05-04-2008 04:48PM

RasTa wrote: »

Deport him obviously.

i can never understand the mentality of the government when a foreigner commits a crime here. get rid of them, and don't let them back. problem solved. in the case the OP brought up, someone could have been killed... but it's likely the polish guy will just face a few minor charges and pay a big fine.

Dudess · 05-04-2008 04:52PM

Ok, I predict two extremes:

"Damn Polish people" - already demonstrated. Because of course Irish people are incapable of driving without insurance, and one Polish person doing it means all Polish people should be held accountable.

"You people are so racist" - when there are complaints about those driving without insurance and tax (because the driver in this case happens to be Polish, but that's beside the point - driving without insurance is criminal no matter where you're from).

In order to prevent this thread descending into absolute farce (like the Irish language one) let's avoid the above two scenarios and discuss:
(a) The pitfalls of driving without insurance, a licence, tax
(b) Deportation issues/the fact that non Irish cars are exempt from certain traffic laws (but blame the government, NOT the foreign nationals who bring their cars over here).

Moronic comments tarring an entire nation because of the behaviour of a minority (like, for example, the Roma thread) won't be tolerated.

Dudess · 05-04-2008 04:55PM

sickpuppy wrote: »

Keeping economy afloat my hole if dragging down wages and getting paid in cash is keeping it a float then there doinga good job

Yawn. The majority of Polish people are bloody hard workers - and don't command high wages. Something certain employers are only too happy to exploit. Thousands of Polish people are paying rent in this country too - when they go home there'll be a lot of vacant rooms in Celtic Tiger apartments.

Pheonix Ski · 05-04-2008 04:55PM

Its all that crazy polish vodka they drink!

sickpuppy · 05-04-2008 04:57PM

There is a sizeable portion of foreign drivers giving a two finger salute to the laws of the land.
Insurance is expensive compared to there home country no doubt but its no excuse.
While the majority are hard working law abiding citizens there is a large minority who really couldnt give a toss .
Even if they get caught no insurance tax etc what happens afine?
car confiscated ? they mostlt drive old bangers so taking the car dose not
affect them much.
No politcian will say we have problems with immigrants because there afraid
of the big r word racism.
Any foreign national should be immdeiatley shipped out and banned from coming back for serious crimes like this.
There was huge vigil and quite rightly so for the two polish guys who were killed in drimnagh would there be the same for 2 irish guys killed by drunk or uninsured foreign driver?
of course not

Collie D · 05-04-2008 05:00PM

sickpuppy wrote: »

would there be the same for 2 irish guys killed by drunk or uninsured foreign driver?
of course not

How do you know? You could have given me that crystal ball before the Grand National

AlmightyCushion · 05-04-2008 05:16PM

sickpuppy wrote: »

There is a sizeable portion of foreign drivers giving a two finger salute to the laws of the land.
Insurance is expensive compared to there home country no doubt but its no excuse.
While the majority are hard working law abiding citizens there is a large minority who really couldnt give a toss .
Even if they get caught no insurance tax etc what happens afine?
car confiscated ? they mostlt drive old bangers so taking the car dose not
affect them much.

You could say all that about Irish people or people of any nationality so stop singling one out.

Lenina · 05-04-2008 05:18PM

sickpuppy wrote: »

Polish guys response i no speak english,
why oh why did the iron curtain have to fall
our country is riddled like a terminally ill cancer patient with these fools.

I am not Polish, but this was a very, very offensive and xenophobic comment. Most Polish people speak English (and if they don't in some cases, an interpreter should be present) and obey your legislation. I don't get why it was necessary to emphasize the nationality of the unisured driver.

Anyway, the Irish are those responsible for most accidents in Ireland.

thefinalstage · 05-04-2008 05:28PM

Lenina wrote: »

Anyway, the Irish are those responsible for most accidents in Ireland.

As the Poles are in Poland or the Americans in America.

Collie D · 05-04-2008 05:31PM

Lenina wrote: »

Anyway, the Irish are those responsible for most accidents in Ireland.

You kind of lost any validity when you said that

Lenina · 05-04-2008 05:41PM

Silly, I admit, I was very irritated by some remarks about Polish and other Central and Eastern European people. It is extremely unfair to judge all people by a few bad examples.

Ekancone · 05-04-2008 05:41PM

bigkev49 wrote: »

Yeah damn them and their help in keeping our economy afloat, damn them all to hell.:rolleyes:

Welcome to three years ago.

Rb · 05-04-2008 05:50PM

Out of curiosity, can a foreign driver get penalty points here? And if they do and are subsequently banned from driving here, there's nothing stopping them driving back home, right?

Polish drivers aren't a problem here, as I've said previously, the overwhelming majority of Polish (both male and female) are 100% safer than the overwhelming majority of Irish women on our roads, as their driving tests are much more difficult than the ones here.

I don't see why mentioning their nationality should make an difference though, they're idiots regardless and deserve to be punished. There's many Irish people driving here without a licence or insurance and it could have just as easily been one of them that hit into the OPs dads car.

There are a huge amount of crazy foreign drivers on our roads though, just drive on any of the motorways between Dublin and Cork and you'll see that, but they're not the Polish ones.

dotsman · 05-04-2008 05:50PM

What has him being Polish got to do with it?

As soon as you bring race/nationality into it, you make any real argument you might have sound like a whole pile of ignorant drivel.

Call the guy a scumbag, asshole, ****face whatever, but him being Polish had nothing to do with it. Are you even sure he is Polish? Or are you one of those people who just hears an Eastern European accent and assumes the person to be Polish.

There are a lot of Irish scumbags joyriding around the place with no tax/insurance killing people and nothing is done about them either.

Yes, there are a lot of loopholes in the law, and the application of the law surrounding driving offences that non-nationals can take advantage of (take the border counties for example, where a common complaint is drivers from Northern Ireland not giving a toss about Irish penalty points etc).

But the guy is just one guy, who, regardless of his nationality, decided to be irresponsible which has resulted in this mess. Give him a slap, call him an asshole, bring to court for everything he owns, but do not insult a nation and its citizens in such a moronic way.

Profiler · 05-04-2008 05:53PM

Collie D wrote: »

Well your dad will get his compo from the Motor Insurance Board or whatever they're called. They're there for that reason.

The Motor Insurers Bureau Ireland - and it is not 100% confirmed the OP father will be able to claim from the MIBI for the damages.

MIBI Claims against Uninsured

Property Damage Claims:

It is not always possible to claim compensation for vehicle or property damage under the MIBI compensation scheme. Where the offending vehicle is not identified there is no provision in the MIBI Agreements to recover losses for vehicle or property damage. Therefore, in order to establish a right to recover for damage to your car or other property you must be able to identify the vehicle which caused the damage by means of a valid registration plate.

The important part for the OP's father is this bit

Where the damaged vehicle is comprehensively insured or the damaged property is covered under a policy of insurance, the Agreement stipulates that the claim must be dealt with by the insurer of the vehicle or property.

however it is not all bad news.

There is a Protocol in place between MIBI and all companies writing motor insurance here which guarantees protection of the No Claims Bonus where the comprehensive insurer compensates the policyholder on behalf of MIBI. This Protocol ensures a speedy resolution of the claim and avoids delay in having the vehicle repaired.

Uninsured untaxed polish driver crashed into my dads car - write off.

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