Americanisation

LouOB · 31-03-2008 03:24PM

Like ya....

31-03-2008 03:28PM

Affable wrote: »

their TV is pretty **** really.

Off the top of my head some great American shows of the past few years:
Firefly, Stargate, Stargate Atlantis, Pushing Daisies, The X-Files, Millennium, The Wire, Oz, Life, K-Ville, Chuck, Heroes, 24, The Kill Point, Flight of the Concords, Dresden Files, Dexter, Californication, Burn Notice, Batlestar Galatica, The Adventures of Brisco County Jr, Journeyman, Jericho, Action, Angel, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Arrested Development, Babylon 5, Dead Like Me, Wonderfalls, Bones, Boomtown, Brotherhood, Carnivale, The Dead Zone, A Town Called Eureka, Farscape, Frasier, Highlander, Invasion, Masters of Horror, Miami Vice, My Name is Earl, The O.C., Prison Break, Psych, Quantum Leap,Supernatural, Twin Peaks, The 4400, South Park, Family Guy.

Some great Irish shows of the past few years:
I'm drawing a blank here, and Father Ted doesn't count as it's an English show.

jebuz · 31-03-2008 03:29PM

I heard a 10 or 11 year old neighbour of my girlfriend talking last week, with a distinct american accent, and all the typical buzzwords; awesome, boo yah....etc, there was more, couldn't believe it. Turns out she watches nothing but High School musical, Hannah Montana and alll that ****e, its not good I tells ya!

Affable · 31-03-2008 03:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Some great Irish shows of the past few years:
I'm drawing a blank here, and Father Ted doesn't count as it's an English show.

It was written by Irishmen and stars Irishmen-that makes it Irish surely?

Spaceman Spiff · 31-03-2008 03:31PM

Last time I was in Ireland I noticed that Abercrombie and American Eagle seemed fashionable as opposed to something that should be ridiculed and mocked. Clearly you all should be concerned.

ScumLord · 31-03-2008 03:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Off the top of my head some great American shows of the past few years:
Firefly, Stargate, Stargate Atlantis, Pushing Daisies, The X-Files, Millennium, The Wire, Oz, Life, K-Ville, Chuck, Heroes, 24, The Kill Point, Flight of the Concords, Dresden Files, Dexter, Californication, Burn Notice, Batlestar Galatica, The Adventures of Brisco County Jr, Journeyman, Jericho, Action, Angel, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Arrested Development, Babylon 5, Dead Like Me, Wonderfalls, Bones, Boomtown, Brotherhood, Carnivale, The Dead Zone, A Town Called Eureka, Farscape, Frasier, Highlander, Invasion, Masters of Horror, Miami Vice, My Name is Earl, The O.C., Prison Break, Psych, Quantum Leap,Supernatural, Twin Peaks, The 4400, South Park, Family Guy.

Some great Irish shows of the past few years:
I'm drawing a blank here, and Father Ted doesn't count as it's an English show.

Some of those shows are really good, some where good for the 1st season, the rest are tripe.

thelordofcheese · 31-03-2008 03:42PM

Affable wrote: »

Do you feel Ireland is becoming Americanised?

Discuss.

oohh, i hope so, i'm looking forward to accusing people who disagree with me of hating freedom.

IanCurtis wrote: »

Of all country's cultures to adopt, we choose one with no culture.

why do you hate freedom, Ian, why? Are you a communist?

Pherekydes · 31-03-2008 03:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

But is saying "like" really an Americanisation? And besides we say "like" a sh1tload more than most Yanks. The use of 'z' instead of 's' (like realisation, its not realization! Damned firefox spellchecker) is one thing that infuriates me.. and doughnuts being spelt donuts is annoying!

The 'z' thing is NOT an Americanization. See here

American spelling accepts only -ize endings in most cases, such as organize, recognize, and realize. British usage accepts both -ize and the more French-looking -ise (organise, recognise, realise). However, the -ize spelling is now rarely used in the UK in the mass media and newspapers, and is hence often incorrectly regarded as an Americanism

Deleted User wrote: »

Some great Irish shows of the past few years:
I'm drawing a blank here, and Father Ted doesn't count as it's an English show.

Father Ted doesn't count coz it's drivel.

But what about the obsession with all things English? When you pop into a pub anywhere in Ireland on any Sunday what's on the TV? The premiership, not the NFL (US or Irish). What music is omnipresent on the radio? English derived pop, not Jazz or Irish music.

Affable · 31-03-2008 03:48PM

Slow coach wrote: »

Father Ted doesn't count coz it's drivel.

:eek:Father Ted is legendary.

Hellm0 · 31-03-2008 03:49PM

Affable wrote: »

Ireland has given the world Joyce, Wilde, U2. It has made a disproportionate contribution to literature. Anyway, whilst the American film industry produces some good films, their TV is pretty **** really.

here here! +1

Maximilian · 31-03-2008 04:10PM

If this is to be believed then no.

31-03-2008 04:23PM

Affable wrote: »

It was written by Irishmen and stars Irishmen-that makes it Irish surely?

No it does not. If it had been funded by an Irish broadcaster then it would be Irish. As it stands it's an English show which happens to deal with Irish characters in an Irish setting.

ScumLord wrote: »

Some of those shows are really good, some where good for the 1st season, the rest are tripe.

But they all share one thing in common, all of them are better than anything home produced in the past decade.

metaoblivia · 31-03-2008 04:57PM

Affable wrote: »

Ireland has given the world Joyce, Wilde, U2. It has made a disproportionate contribution to literature. Anyway, whilst the American film industry produces some good films, their TV is pretty **** really.

Right, but this has nothing to do with the argument that America has no culture. That's what the poster was responding to. Whether or not you consider Irish culture superior to American culture isn't the point.

DublinWriter · 31-03-2008 06:12PM

Affable wrote: »

Do you feel Ireland is becoming Americanised?

Like, so totally, Dude.

Parsley · 31-03-2008 07:09PM

Affable wrote: »

Ireland has given the world Joyce, Wilde, U2. It has made a disproportionate contribution to literature. Anyway, whilst the American film industry produces some good films, their TV is pretty **** really.

U-****ing-2?! America's made way better music than them overrated *****. And as for TV, have you SEEN the Roaring 20s?! Desperate Housewives/South Park/Lost ftw. :pac:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 31-03-2008 07:14PM

South Park? Who's point are you making here...?!

Yes, we are becoming more Americanised. We're consumers, it's what consumers do.

Parsley · 31-03-2008 07:30PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

South Park? Who's point are you making here...?!

Yes, we are becoming more Americanised. We're consumers, it's what consumers do.

He's talking about American TV being ****e, Irish TV isn't anything to write home (or to America) about at all at all. Especially when it comes to comedy.

Kernel32 · 31-03-2008 07:43PM

The difference between Ireland and America is, America integrates many of the good things from other cultures, food, celebrations, customs, architecture etc and ignores the rubbish. Ireland will just take any old crap from America, crappy TV shows, crappy products etc and then complain about being americanized when they should have just been more discriminating in the first place.

bartholomewbinn · 31-03-2008 07:52PM

America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.
Oscar Wilde

randylonghorn · 31-03-2008 08:01PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I think we're becoming frenchinized. It used to be all Miles and inches but now it's kilometers and centimeters. We're even using their silly french money, when did that happen like?

Francs?

Affable wrote: »

It seems there's more of an obsession with 'winners' and 'losers'. I think that may have come from the US tbh.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Yes, we are becoming more Americanised. We're consumers, it's what consumers do.

Yes, I do think we are becoming very American in our underlying attitudes, and that's what worries me, not silly RossOCKs and Sorchas with their fake Californian accents and their Bebo sites.

The almighty dollar euro is king, we measure worth more and more by what we own, what we earn, where we live, what we drive and wear ... that's just not healthy for a society or for individuals, tbh.

As to getting into a dick-measuring competition about lierature / music / art ... meh. Every society produces a lot of dross, with occasional nuggets of gold shining through.

bartholomewbinn · 31-03-2008 08:13PM

EamonnKeane wrote: »

Really? Isn't it the land of Mark Twain, Emily Dickinson, Hemingway; and about 90% of the world's best film and television? Perhaps you'd rather the world become Hibernised, so teenagers in Singapore and Chile could watch Killinaskully and Brendan O'Carroll, listen to the ****ing Frames, and You're a Star rejects, and read books by Cecilia Ahern?

Hey, you left out our two greatest cultural icons, Richie Kavanagh and big Tom.

bartholomewbinn · 31-03-2008 08:17PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khZtXiC1lVA

Just listen, Verdi, thank god for Italians!

randylonghorn · 31-03-2008 08:32PM

bartholomewbinn wrote: »

Hey, you left out our two greatest cultural icons, Richie Kavanagh and big Tom.

You do realise that mentioning those two in the same post is an instant emetic for most of us?

bartholomewbinn · 31-03-2008 08:39PM

randylonghorn wrote: »

You do realise that mentioning those two in the same post is an instant emetic for most of us?

Just goes to show you, what this great nation of ours is capable of producing!

Pepe LeFrits · 31-03-2008 08:42PM

Oh nooooeees!

Volvoboy · 31-03-2008 09:07PM

No, only the gob****es that dont know any better are getting sucked into the Americanna trend.

-VB-

Den_M · 31-03-2008 09:08PM

I work for Apple and people always think I'm American when they ring. I dunno why, I've got a right Limerick accent. Not that 'awrite bud we're goin to my gaaaaaf' style accent mind, more Limerick county. But it does annoy me all the same.

dotsman · 31-03-2008 09:26PM

Al_Fernz wrote: »

Yes definitley. Heard some girl say Mom last week. It's not really suprising given the mass influx of American TV shows/movies that we watch. Social norms like fashion and vocab are massively influenced by this. Plus, globalisation makes all the clothes and other goods available.

From Cork. Irish parents and Irish ancestors all the way back to the celts. No obvious American influence. No overexposure to TV etc. 20-odd years ago (when I was a wee boy), I was calling my mom "mom". I'm pretty sure it was normal. I remember laughing at my cousins because they called their mom "mam".

Deleted User wrote: »

Off the top of my head some great American shows of the past few years:

Firefly ****e
Stargate ****e
Stargate Atlantis ****e
Pushing Daisies ****e
The X-Files ****e
Millennium ****e
The Wire Never seen (but supposed to be good)
Oz ****e
Life ****e
K-Ville ****e
Chuck ****e
Heroes Never seen
24 Very good, but all too repetitive and full of propaganda crap
The Kill Point ****e
Flight of the Concords Never heard of
Dresden Files Never heard of
Dexter Never heard of
Californication Never heard of
Burn Notice Never heard of
Batlestar Galatica ****e
The Adventures of Brisco County Jr ****e
Journeyman ****e
Jericho Never heard of
Action Never heard of
Angel ****e
Buffy the Vampire Slayer ****e (but hot)
Arrested Development Alright
Babylon 5 ****e
Dead Like Me ****e
Wonderfalls ****e
Bones ****e
Boomtown Never heard of
Brotherhood Never heard of
Carnivale Never heard of
The Dead Zone ****e
A Town Called Eureka ****e
Farscape Never heard of
Frasier Very good
Highlander The movie?
Invasion Never heard of
Masters of Horror Never heard of
Miami Vice The 80's TV show?
My Name is Earl
The O.C. You have got to be kidding me
Prison Break ****e
Psych Never heard of
Quantum Leap The 80's TV show?
Supernatural ****e
Twin Peaks The 80's TV show?
The 4400 ****e
South Park Funny for 5 minutes
Family Guy. Very good

Some great Irish shows of the past few years:
I'm drawing a blank here, and Father Ted doesn't count as it's an English show.

TBH, you watch way to much TV.

America makes a lot of TV shows. Nobody doubts that. But the quality is fairly ****e, with the odd decent show.

Ireland has never claimed to make good TV shows.

Overheal · 31-03-2008 09:30PM

I went to Tescos today... and they had Oreo cookies.

I'm sorry, but this debate is over. Ireland is now a US colony

as for me, I spell it color or colour as the mood takes me.

kerash · 31-03-2008 09:53PM

Al_Fernz wrote: »

Yes definitley. Heard some girl say Mom last week.

Tubridy said Mall, like the Americans say it, on tv last nite. I heard that Blanaid one off the afternoon show say "Mom" but i think that comes from the Irish...I hate those particular type of young lads and girls who speak with that american twang, i want to punch them when they open their mouths...:D
Yeah we got the american products, tv shows etc. but IMO, we're not americanised enough in the services dept.

Americanisation

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