Americanisation

Affable

Do you feel Ireland is becoming Americanised?

Discuss.

Rb

Why couldn't you just post it in the thread?

Or post it in the YOUR YOUTUBE VIDEOS GO HERE thread in the AH subform?

WHY?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

**** ******, you be trippin' yo.

Schism

Affable wrote: »

Do you feel Ireland is becoming Americanised?

Discuss.

No.

Pighead

Country hasn't been Americanised enough if you ask Pighead. More KFC, less cabbage.

Rb

Wtf?

Now my post looks weird.

FU OP, FU TO HELL.

whiskeyman

Americanization

:pac:

Agreed. This thread needz more z's.

Stercus Accidit

Yes among the middle classes.

I heard some what I thought americans speaking the other day, I swore it was a thick californiaannn accent, but then copped they were from here, with an Irish d4 accent with a heavy american twang.

I'm sure its not a d4 thing only, but down the country, people tend to have shall we say, more robust accents less prone to influence.

Some people want to adopt what seems to be a "posh" accent IMO, whatever it may be at the time.

Edit: Well yes with regards to accents, I still think people are culturally proud to be irish in general.

whiskeyman

move to humor...

Kev_ps3

I met a girl a few months ago I havent talked to in years, she had an american accent so I asked her was she in America, she said it was from watching american tv programmes. True story that. I think that answers your question OP

faceman

what does americanised mean? If it means watching "Friends" and saying "like" to much then yes. But im sure it means more than that??

Al_Fernz

Yes definitley. Heard some girl say Mom last week. It's not really suprising given the mass influx of American TV shows/movies that we watch. Social norms like fashion and vocab are massively influenced by this. Plus, globalisation makes all the clothes and other goods available.

Sherifu

Loike totally.

5starpool

Better than becoming Afghanistanised I guess.

Wook

5starpool wrote: »

Better than becoming Afghanistanised I guess.

lol

Karl Hungus

Yes and no. Yes to some aspects (Like, totally the phrases, yeah), but for the most part I would say no.

Affable

It seems there's more of an obsession with 'winners' and 'losers'. I think that may have come from the US tbh.

IanCurtis

Of all country's cultures to adopt, we choose one with no culture.

But is saying "like" really an Americanisation? And besides we say "like" a sh1tload more than most Yanks. The use of 'z' instead of 's' (like realisation, its not realization! Damned firefox spellchecker) is one thing that infuriates me.. and doughnuts being spelt donuts is annoying!

Yes. I am sick and tired of hearing students from the Institute and other southside private schools talking like the cast of Friends. It's absolutely ridiculous sounding. It's one thing to have a 'posh' accent or even a D4 accent, but why on earth is someone brought up in Dublin saying 'mom' and talking about 'pants' and 'chips'? It's so fake and affected. It's one thing if the person is half American or lived in the States but 90% you ask them and they look surprised and go 'oh really? it must be from the TV! hee hee!' Absolute rubbish. I pick up accent's like nobody's business (I'd only been here a week and people couldn't tell I hadn't grown up in Ireland) but even I don't pick them up from the *telly*, ffs. It's so annoying!

EamonnKeane

IanCurtis wrote: »

Of all country's cultures to adopt, we choose one with no culture.

Really? Isn't it the land of Mark Twain, Emily Dickinson, Hemingway; and about 90% of the world's best film and television? Perhaps you'd rather the world become Hibernised, so teenagers in Singapore and Chile could watch Killinaskully and Brendan O'Carroll, listen to the ****ing Frames, and You're a Star rejects, and read books by Cecilia Ahern?

Crucifix

Deleted User wrote: »

But is saying "like" really an Americanisation? And besides we say "like" a sh1tload more than most Yanks. The use of 'z' instead of 's' (like realisation, its not realization! Damned firefox spellchecker) is one thing that infuriates me.. and doughnuts being spelt donuts is annoying!

Yeah, 'like' has been a staple word in my locale for as long as I can remember.

My speech is probably pretty americanised, in terms of vocab rather than accent. Too much tv, films and internet.

Steve

Affable wrote: »

Do you feel Ireland is becoming Americanised?

Discuss.

Americanisation in the true sense involves:

1. The Americans wanting something a country has.

2. Inventing some WMD story about it's corrupt leaders.

3. Bombing the sh1t out of the place.

4. Charging them to rebuild it with white picket fences, KFC's McD's, gas stations, stripmalls, & 7-11's everywhere so that is now looks the same as any other place in the American empire.

Affable

EamonnKeane wrote: »

Really? Isn't it the land of Mark Twain, Emily Dickinson, Hemingway; and about 90% of the world's best film and television? Perhaps you'd rather the world become Hibernised, so teenagers in Singapore and Chile could watch Killinaskully and Brendan O'Carroll, listen to the ****ing Frames, and You're a Star rejects, and read books by Cecilia Ahern?

Ireland has given the world Joyce, Wilde, U2. It has made a disproportionate contribution to literature. Anyway, whilst the American film industry produces some good films, their TV is pretty **** really.

ScumLord

I think we're becoming frenchinized. It used to be all Miles and inches but now it's kilometers and centimeters. We're even using their silly french money, when did that happen like?

monosharp

Affable wrote: »

Do you feel Ireland is becoming Americanised?

Discuss.

Of course it is. Its a fact, its not in question. Its one of the reasons I left.

Affable

monosharp wrote: »

Of course it is. Its a fact, its not in question. Its one of the reasons I left.

Where did you go?

FruitLover

Affable wrote: »

Discuss.

Is this the Leaving Cert?

Affable

FruitLover wrote: »

Is this the Leaving Cert?

Ho-ho-ho! Ha.....

all the stars

EamonnKeane wrote: »

Really? Isn't it the land of Mark Twain, Emily Dickinson, Hemingway; and about 90% of the world's best film and television?

Worlds best film? and television? Now i know you are taking the p*ss...
Clearly you dont get out much....

LouOB

Like ya....

Affable

Affable wrote: »

their TV is pretty **** really.

Off the top of my head some great American shows of the past few years:
Firefly, Stargate, Stargate Atlantis, Pushing Daisies, The X-Files, Millennium, The Wire, Oz, Life, K-Ville, Chuck, Heroes, 24, The Kill Point, Flight of the Concords, Dresden Files, Dexter, Californication, Burn Notice, Batlestar Galatica, The Adventures of Brisco County Jr, Journeyman, Jericho, Action, Angel, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Arrested Development, Babylon 5, Dead Like Me, Wonderfalls, Bones, Boomtown, Brotherhood, Carnivale, The Dead Zone, A Town Called Eureka, Farscape, Frasier, Highlander, Invasion, Masters of Horror, Miami Vice, My Name is Earl, The O.C., Prison Break, Psych, Quantum Leap,Supernatural, Twin Peaks, The 4400, South Park, Family Guy.

Some great Irish shows of the past few years:
I'm drawing a blank here, and Father Ted doesn't count as it's an English show.

jebuz

I heard a 10 or 11 year old neighbour of my girlfriend talking last week, with a distinct american accent, and all the typical buzzwords; awesome, boo yah....etc, there was more, couldn't believe it. Turns out she watches nothing but High School musical, Hannah Montana and alll that ****e, its not good I tells ya!

Affable

Deleted User wrote: »

Some great Irish shows of the past few years:
I'm drawing a blank here, and Father Ted doesn't count as it's an English show.

It was written by Irishmen and stars Irishmen-that makes it Irish surely?

Spaceman Spiff

Last time I was in Ireland I noticed that Abercrombie and American Eagle seemed fashionable as opposed to something that should be ridiculed and mocked. Clearly you all should be concerned.

ScumLord

Deleted User wrote: »

Off the top of my head some great American shows of the past few years:
Firefly, Stargate, Stargate Atlantis, Pushing Daisies, The X-Files, Millennium, The Wire, Oz, Life, K-Ville, Chuck, Heroes, 24, The Kill Point, Flight of the Concords, Dresden Files, Dexter, Californication, Burn Notice, Batlestar Galatica, The Adventures of Brisco County Jr, Journeyman, Jericho, Action, Angel, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Arrested Development, Babylon 5, Dead Like Me, Wonderfalls, Bones, Boomtown, Brotherhood, Carnivale, The Dead Zone, A Town Called Eureka, Farscape, Frasier, Highlander, Invasion, Masters of Horror, Miami Vice, My Name is Earl, The O.C., Prison Break, Psych, Quantum Leap,Supernatural, Twin Peaks, The 4400, South Park, Family Guy.

Some great Irish shows of the past few years:
I'm drawing a blank here, and Father Ted doesn't count as it's an English show.

Some of those shows are really good, some where good for the 1st season, the rest are tripe.

thelordofcheese

Affable wrote: »

Do you feel Ireland is becoming Americanised?

Discuss.

oohh, i hope so, i'm looking forward to accusing people who disagree with me of hating freedom.

IanCurtis wrote: »

Of all country's cultures to adopt, we choose one with no culture.

why do you hate freedom, Ian, why? Are you a communist?

Pherekydes

Deleted User wrote: »

But is saying "like" really an Americanisation? And besides we say "like" a sh1tload more than most Yanks. The use of 'z' instead of 's' (like realisation, its not realization! Damned firefox spellchecker) is one thing that infuriates me.. and doughnuts being spelt donuts is annoying!

The 'z' thing is NOT an Americanization. See here

American spelling accepts only -ize endings in most cases, such as organize, recognize, and realize. British usage accepts both -ize and the more French-looking -ise (organise, recognise, realise). However, the -ize spelling is now rarely used in the UK in the mass media and newspapers, and is hence often incorrectly regarded as an Americanism

Deleted User wrote: »

Some great Irish shows of the past few years:
I'm drawing a blank here, and Father Ted doesn't count as it's an English show.

Father Ted doesn't count coz it's drivel.

But what about the obsession with all things English? When you pop into a pub anywhere in Ireland on any Sunday what's on the TV? The premiership, not the NFL (US or Irish). What music is omnipresent on the radio? English derived pop, not Jazz or Irish music.

Affable

Slow coach wrote: »

Father Ted doesn't count coz it's drivel.

:eek:Father Ted is legendary.

Hellm0

Affable wrote: »

Ireland has given the world Joyce, Wilde, U2. It has made a disproportionate contribution to literature. Anyway, whilst the American film industry produces some good films, their TV is pretty **** really.

here here! +1

Maximilian

If this is to be believed then no.

Affable

Affable wrote: »

It was written by Irishmen and stars Irishmen-that makes it Irish surely?

No it does not. If it had been funded by an Irish broadcaster then it would be Irish. As it stands it's an English show which happens to deal with Irish characters in an Irish setting.

ScumLord wrote: »

Some of those shows are really good, some where good for the 1st season, the rest are tripe.

But they all share one thing in common, all of them are better than anything home produced in the past decade.

metaoblivia

Affable wrote: »

Ireland has given the world Joyce, Wilde, U2. It has made a disproportionate contribution to literature. Anyway, whilst the American film industry produces some good films, their TV is pretty **** really.

Right, but this has nothing to do with the argument that America has no culture. That's what the poster was responding to. Whether or not you consider Irish culture superior to American culture isn't the point.

DublinWriter

Affable wrote: »

Do you feel Ireland is becoming Americanised?

Like, so totally, Dude.

Parsley

Affable wrote: »

Ireland has given the world Joyce, Wilde, U2. It has made a disproportionate contribution to literature. Anyway, whilst the American film industry produces some good films, their TV is pretty **** really.

U-****ing-2?! America's made way better music than them overrated *****. And as for TV, have you SEEN the Roaring 20s?! Desperate Housewives/South Park/Lost ftw. :pac:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

South Park? Who's point are you making here...?!

Yes, we are becoming more Americanised. We're consumers, it's what consumers do.

Parsley

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

South Park? Who's point are you making here...?!

Yes, we are becoming more Americanised. We're consumers, it's what consumers do.

He's talking about American TV being ****e, Irish TV isn't anything to write home (or to America) about at all at all. Especially when it comes to comedy.

Kernel32

The difference between Ireland and America is, America integrates many of the good things from other cultures, food, celebrations, customs, architecture etc and ignores the rubbish. Ireland will just take any old crap from America, crappy TV shows, crappy products etc and then complain about being americanized when they should have just been more discriminating in the first place.

bartholomewbinn

America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.
Oscar Wilde

randylonghorn

ScumLord wrote: »

I think we're becoming frenchinized. It used to be all Miles and inches but now it's kilometers and centimeters. We're even using their silly french money, when did that happen like?

Francs?

Affable wrote: »

It seems there's more of an obsession with 'winners' and 'losers'. I think that may have come from the US tbh.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Yes, we are becoming more Americanised. We're consumers, it's what consumers do.

Yes, I do think we are becoming very American in our underlying attitudes, and that's what worries me, not silly RossOCKs and Sorchas with their fake Californian accents and their Bebo sites.

The almighty dollar euro is king, we measure worth more and more by what we own, what we earn, where we live, what we drive and wear ... that's just not healthy for a society or for individuals, tbh.

As to getting into a dick-measuring competition about lierature / music / art ... meh. Every society produces a lot of dross, with occasional nuggets of gold shining through.