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Teachers and their pay raises

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  • #32
    Fishyfreak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Fishyfreak


    JæKæ wrote: »
    It must be one of the only occupations where you automatically get a raise every few years, regardless of performance

    It's called an increment!!! And it's every year.


  • #33
    gcgirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭gcgirl


    Rob_l wrote: »
    Perhaps I agree but how to pay, young childless people would not be happy with a big increase in tax money going here rather than elsewhere so how can the state do this without problems

    Yeh and in another 10 years these ''young childless people '' will prob have off spring and then they will understand! and as for 2nd level i know a good few teachers that are only temps so they don't get paid for the holiday! And why does the Dept of Education fund fee paying schools??Personally i don't think fee paying schools should be we might save a lot of money over that!


  • #34
    July
    Closed Accounts Posts: 276 ✭✭July


    briantwin wrote: »
    Just wondering if anyone else think its a bit sh*tty the way teachers ever now and again just decide to strike because they want more money?
    I mean you start on 32k a year before you even take into account overtime and supervisional stuff and exam marking etc etc.

    OK i'll be the first to say that trying to teach a bunch pubescent arsebags is not the easiest way to earn money but by jesus its not the hardest. It just annoys me to think that the country and its young pupils are held to ransom every time teachers go on strike to demand more money.

    How does everyone else feel about this?

    If your post is due to the recent 'stir' amongst the teacher unions, it's not money related. The primary teachers want class sizes (second largest in Europe I think) reduced as the Government had promised and recently reneged on - it will not line their pockets by one cent more. In fact, if the strike goes ahead, it seems that the teachers will actually lose their next pay rise. It seems that they may be prepared to sacrifice this for the 'greater good'. The secondary teachers are taking issue with discipline problems. That's my reading of the situation anyway.
    Fishyfreak wrote: »
    It's called an increment!!! And it's every year.

    Untrue. At primary level anyway.


    Just to add, as someone else stated, a lot of teachers are not on permanent contracts so are NOT paid for holidays, something a lot of people don't realise.


  • #35
    Boggles
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    July wrote: »
    Just to add, as someone else stated, a lot of teachers are not on permanent contracts so are NOT paid for holidays, something a lot of people don't realise.

    The majority of teachers in this country are permanent. The majority of non permanent are newly qualified.

    Simply put, teachers have to be paid for their holidays or no one would do it.

    I don't know what it is like now, but back when i was in school 3 of my teachers should have not been let near the general population let alone educate a generation. 2 ended up in units the other died, but if he had survived I have no doubt he would have been fashioning a tight jacket aswell.


  • #36
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Boggles makes a point. Teachers, and education, are the cornerstone of economy and society. It does give them a lot of power. If nobody did it we'd all have gotten screwed. Perhaps by priests.. *ahem.


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  • #37
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    JæKæ wrote: »
    It must be one of the only occupations where you automatically get a raise every few years, regardless of performance
    Eh, Tesco do. I'm pretty sure most of the other retail shops and fast food joints do as well.


  • #38
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    They only work 9 months a year, have extensive breaks in those 9 months, yet complain about the money they get (though knowing that this would be their income before getting into the profession).

    How dare they.


  • #39
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Overheal wrote: »
    Boggles makes a point. Teachers, and education, are the cornerstone of economy and society. It does give them a lot of power. If nobody did it we'd all have gotten screwed. Perhaps by priests.. *ahem.

    Oh yes fond memories of my old PE teacher Father Molestalot. Moved to the Phillipines I heard, lovely old man.


  • #40
    uptherebels
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    rb_ie wrote: »
    They only work 9 months a year, have extensive breaks in those 9 months, yet complain about the money they get (though knowing that this would be their income before getting into the profession).

    How dare they.
    I spent 5 years in a secondary school in cork city and having seen the abuse that some teachers have to put up with and I believe that they deserve every cent they get.I have seen men and women break down and cry from the treatment they received at the hands of students and when they tried to do something about it i.e suspension then they would get attacked by the parents.All I know is I wouldnt teach in this country if they paid me a million euro a year.I have the utmost respect for the teachers that put up with the sh1t hat they do.


  • #41
    Kimbot
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    In all fairness they work for just over 100 odd days a year and start off pay is €32k a year...


    Thats great!!


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  • #42
    Xavi6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,159 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    shane86 wrote: »
    Anyone remember the strikes about 7 years ago? We and many other schools had an "anti strike" strike, basically a refusal to go back to class in, eh, protest at, heh, heh heh, hahaha, the damage they were doing to our education.

    Actually, think less dignified protest, more violent lawless insurrection, it was a fookin riot! Great times.


    That winter was fcuking freezing too, so the lie ins we had twice a week at one stage were welcome.

    Lol this wouldn't have been 2002/2003 would it? I remember a massive uproar cause it was during my Leaving Cert year and all the nerds were freaking out cause they couldn't learn. I was too busy being toasty in my bed to care!

    Anyway, I'd love to be a teacher at second level, however not for the cash they get at the moment. It's definitely not in proportion to the level of shit they have to contend with.


  • #43
    finlma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭finlma


    How many times does it have to be stated that the proposed strikes are NOT ABOUT MONEY.

    The reason for the strikes is that the government promised smaller classes before the election to get more votes. Now that they're in position they've gone back on their word and said that it's not going to happen. Lithuania, Latvia and the Ukraine have smaller teacher/pupil ratios than Ireland and we're supposed to be one of the richest countries in the world. It's a complete joke.

    For some reason people seem to think it's about money - RTE and their government bias again.


  • #44
    togster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭togster


    My dad quit because of the stress and no he is not a pussy. The abuse from some cnuts was crazy. He makes alot more money now building but went into teaching because he loved the idea of it. I do think crap teachers should be sacked though.


  • #45
    ditpoker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭ditpoker


    ...education is the silver bullet. Education is everything. We don't need little changes. We need gigantic, monumental changes. Schools should be palaces. The competition for the best teachers should be fierce. They should be making six figure salaries. Schools should be incredibly expensive for government and absolutely free of charge to its citizens, just like national defense. That's my position. I just haven't figured out how to do it yet.


  • #46
    briantwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭briantwin


    The reason why i posted originally was because a friend of mine is a teacher. She was saying how nice it would be for a bit more time off due to more strikes. I know the strike isn't about money but her argument was that because the issues are about class sizes and discipline etc the government may just give in and offer them more to just get on with it. I know the proposed strikes aren't about money i will stress it again.

    As for a way to determine the good from the bad teacher wise, why not install cameras in all the classes. Its a deterent to little ars*holes who are going to act up. Also it will mean that the teachers will have to behave appropriately and do their jobs too.

    I know people will say teachers will have a serious problem with this but i mean its a way of counteracting the issue of abusive pupils aswell. With hard evidence like that suspension and other forms of disciplinary action will be easier to put through.


  • #47
    Creachadóir
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    Boggles wrote: »

    I don't know what it is like now, but back when i was in school 3 of my teachers should have not been let near the general population let alone educate a generation. 2 ended up in units the other died, but if he had survived I have no doubt he would have been fashioning a tight jacket aswell.


    Teaching is very stressful. Mental breakdowns are often brought on by stress. A number of teachers are perfectionists by nature, and were high achievers and well behaved in school. Striving to motivate all children/teenagers up to a level acceptable to themselves and the general population is sometimes easier said than done.

    I have already posted in the primary section about this topic (before the trade union conferences this week)
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055251303

    The reason that Primary Teachers are proposing a strike is because there are too many children in their classes. This means that every child is neglected to a certain extent, because they cannot get the individual attention they need/deserve.

    Incidently, I am on holidays from school now, and I am on the computer because I'm doing notes for work. Like many of you I get distracted when I'm on the computer working...it's not a luxury that I have when I'm in front of the class with no break all day (because I've been supervising at lunch time).

    Check out the information on the INTO website for information about the matters discussed at congress. http://www.into.ie/ROI/

    I'm not sure if I can put this address up here, but this is what primary teachers are saying on the teachers forum...
    http://www.educationposts.ie/forum/viewtopic.php?id=12441
    (There are trolls in that forum like every other forum ;) )


  • #48
    Andy-Pandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭Andy-Pandy


    The only teacher i know to get fired did so for sleeping with a sixth year student, dirty mink she was, but that lad is now a legend.


  • #49
    briantwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭briantwin


    I do understand the stress that some teachers are under. And also about the fact that primary teachers have too many pupils but when i was in primary school there was never a year that there weren't at least 35 pupils in my class. I was educated from '89 onwards. How many do teachers believe is too many?


  • #50
    Boggles
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    Creachadóir wrote: »
    Teaching is very stressful. Mental breakdowns are often brought on by stress.

    Nah my Uncle was in school with 2 of them, he said they crazy back then.

    Yeah I hear that arguement all the time that teaching is a stressful job. I don't fully agree with it to the extent that it is spouted. I think teachers are compensated enough with their free time and short days to cope with any on the job stress. Plus the fact that it is not performance related and you would have to sleep with or murder a student to get fired.

    From my experience it was always the poorer teachers who were stressed brought on by the fact that they couldn't do their jobs properly.

    Creachadóir wrote: »
    A number of teachers are perfectionists by nature, and were high achievers and well behaved in school.

    Sorry but what utter twaddle!


  • #51
    John Mason
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 10,661 ✭✭✭✭John Mason


    i heard a Minister on the radio talking about this. He said that the collective name for a group of teachers is a "whine" - i thought this was very humourous :)


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  • #52
    cobweb
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    Boggles wrote: »
    The majority of teachers in this country are permanent. The majority of non permanent are newly qualified.

    Simply put, teachers have to be paid for their holidays or no one would do it.

    That may be so but in secondary education you can be waiting upto 8 years and longer in some cases before getting a permanent job. This means not getting paid for your holidays having to go on the dole and not being given the dole until August as they dont believe you, a difficult thing to do when you are young and paying a mortgage


  • #53
    chopperbyrne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,143 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    Boggles wrote: »
    The majority of teachers in this country are permanent. The majority of non permanent are newly qualified.

    Simply put, teachers have to be paid for their holidays or no one would do it.

    I don't know what it is like now, but back when i was in school 3 of my teachers should have not been let near the general population let alone educate a generation. 2 ended up in units the other died, but if he had survived I have no doubt he would have been fashioning a tight jacket aswell.
    cobweb wrote: »
    That may be so but in secondary education you can be waiting upto 8 years and longer in some cases before getting a permanent job. This means not getting paid for your holidays having to go on the dole and not being given the dole until August as they dont believe you, a difficult thing to do when you are young and paying a mortgage

    The majority of teachers are not permanent. I don't know where you're getting this from.


  • #54
    Hrududu
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    If I were to make any changes in education I'd like to see smaller classes. I think a lot more could be acchieved with 15-20 in a class as opposed to the 30+ that there is now. The smaller the better really. I'd also be tough on misbehaving students. Have some sort of mandatory punishments for things across the boards. Lots of suspensions that keep them out of the way of the students that might learn something.


  • #55
    Drag00n79
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    briantwin wrote: »
    The reason why i posted originally was because a friend of mine is a teacher. She was saying how nice it would be for a bit more time off due to more strikes.
    Time off perhaps but no pay.


  • #56
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    chopperbyrne wrote: »
    The majority of teachers are not permanent. I don't know where you're getting this from.

    So the majority are temp, 51% or more of teachers in this country are not permanent?? Could you show me where you got this from?


  • #57
    spurious
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    Our staff (a standard Dublin second-level school) would be about half and half permanent-contract. Since the 'Contracts of Indefinite Duration' came in there are less and less permanent jobs.

    Can't speak on the situation nationally.


  • #58
    K-9
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    finlma wrote: »
    How many times does it have to be stated that the proposed strikes are NOT ABOUT MONEY.

    The reason for the strikes is that the government promised smaller classes before the election to get more votes. Now that they're in position they've gone back on their word and said that it's not going to happen. Lithuania, Latvia and the Ukraine have smaller teacher/pupil ratios than Ireland and we're supposed to be one of the richest countries in the world. It's a complete joke.

    For some reason people seem to think it's about money - RTE and their government bias again.

    I thought it was about class sizes etc. until I watched the News on Wednesday evening and one of the ASTI guys was saying they wanted benchmarking reviewed!

    You can't blame RTE for reporting what the Unions say, not the parts you want them to report!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #59
    cobweb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭cobweb


    chopperbyrne wrote: »
    The majority of teachers are not permanent. I don't know where you're getting this from.

    I know that i never said they were permanent another poster did and i was simply pointing out that they are not permanent and that a lot of secondary teachers have temporary jobs for upto years after qualifying and the above scenario was one my brother went through every year as a secondary teacher until he got a permancy 10 years after he qualified.


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