Rule Changes you'd like to see

PHB · 27-03-2008 08:35PM #1

After all the talk about dissent, and what it should/is, I was wondering what rule changes people would like to see.

For me there are a couple of things,

A. 5 Match bans for everybody who is found guilty of diving on a video replay.

B. A yellow card for anybody who surrounds the ref. A yellow card for anyone who keeps talking to the ref after he says to go away.

C. Removal of the stupid yellow card for taking off your shirt.

D. Free kicks allowed to be retaken for anything bar a goal if somebody isn't ten yards away. Anybody within ten yards gets always booked.

E. Penalties being retaken if the goal is even an inch off his line.

Then the final one, and its kinda a big change, the introduction of two new lines on the pitch, between the half way line and the goal line, to make four big lines on the pitch. Within the middle two lines, there can be no offside.
This would result in much more open play, and make it much more difficult to execute the offside trap.

Also, I'd like to see refs wear mics so we can hear what they are saying just like in rugby.

Zaph · 27-03-2008 08:41PM

PHB wrote: »

Then the final one, and its kinda a big change, the introduction of two new lines on the pitch, between the half way line and the goal line, to make four big lines on the pitch. Within the middle two lines, there can be no offside. This would result in much more open play, and make it much more difficult to execute the offside trap.

Isn't that what they had in the NASL? They got into trouble with FIFA over it IIRC.

IrishMike · 27-03-2008 08:43PM

Hows about goalkeepers not allowed catch the ball?
Would stop keepers being caught in 2 minds for crosses if they only have one choice, would
also speed up games as a goalie catching the ball would no longer be the end of an attack.

Seems like a great idea in my head at least

Mikeyt086 · 27-03-2008 08:44PM

Less protection on goalies, cant challenge anymore.

NO MORE YELLOWS for shirts off or going into the crowd. Its a total joke.

d22ontour · 27-03-2008 08:44PM

PHB wrote: »

After all the talk about dissent, and what it should/is, I was wondering what rule changes people would like to see.

For me there are a couple of things,

A. 5 Match bans for everybody who is found guilty of diving on a video replay.

B. A yellow card for anybody who surrounds the ref. A yellow card for anyone who keeps talking to the ref after he says to go away.

C. Removal of the stupid yellow card for taking off your shirt.

D. Free kicks allowed to be retaken for anything bar a goal if somebody isn't ten yards away. Anybody within ten yards gets always booked.

E. Penalties being retaken if the goal is even an inch off his line.

Then the final one, and its kinda a big change, the introduction of two new lines on the pitch, between the half way line and the goal line, to make four big lines on the pitch. Within the middle two lines, there can be no offside.
This would result in much more open play, and make it much more difficult to execute the offside trap.

Also, I'd like to see refs wear mics so we can hear what they are saying just like in rugby.

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
No. Some refs give 13 yards others give less then 10 for walls.Its ok as it is imo.
No.
Are you on drugs ? Definite no.
Yes but only if players are not allowed to confront the ref just like in Rugby.

Trizo · 27-03-2008 08:45PM

Goal line technology, possibly also offside monitoring by automated video/computer analysis .
i also think for really really close decisions/match changing they should allow a video 4th official but a decision would have to be taken in say 10 seconds so as not to slow the game down.

penalties alright for divers and cheats , more cards for foul and abusive language to the refs as well.

also a salary cap or scale cus i don’t see where the whole wages rollercoaster is going to end.

Obviously all this would have to be tested to see its effects in reality but there’s a few ideas…

MrJoeSoap · 27-03-2008 08:45PM

Get rid of the most ludicrous rule going, the one where nothing can be done about a tackle once a yellow card is given. That stupid rule makes referees infallible.

I agree with all PHB's points though, except maybe the last one.

lordgoat · 27-03-2008 08:53PM

They prob seem like good rules and some of them are but it will come back to decisions the ref gets wrong. What if he rules a player dived but actually doesn't? Soccer i don't think allows it's self to being an exact sport, there will always be leeway. ( i mean in things like the correct wall distance, goalies moving on the line, where throw ins/free kicks are taken).

It is annoying when decisions are incorrect and i agree it doesn't balance itself out over a season, but i don't think widescale rule changes are the answer.

I would like to see the booking for taking the jersey off gone. And i also think goalies are big pansies and get too much protection. And i think ref's should be more tough on teams that employ rough-house tactics. Don't get me wrong i'm all for fair hard tackles but i hate seeing niggly kicks and frees that disrupt the game and stop good players from playing.

BrianCalgary · 27-03-2008 09:11PM

Zaph wrote: »

Isn't that what they had in the NASL? They got into trouble with FIFA over it IIRC.

And it was garbage. It didnt work well at all.

An official stationed on the goaline to rule a goal.

Spurs vs. Man U a couple of years ago comes to mind.

leninbenjamin · 27-03-2008 09:13PM

the main thing i'd like to see is the referee allowed to change some decisions retrospectively. only the referee mind, after compiling the match report have him review the key decisions in conjunction with his team who can bring certain decisions to his attention, and if he felt he was in error let him retrospectively upgrade/downgrade the decision before submitting the match report. wouldn't impact key decisions like penalties, but would affect cases where we see yellows given for what are clearly straight reds, that kind of thing. refs are only human afterall and make mistakes. I think they should be allowed the grace to fix their mistakes where possible.

BrianCalgary · 27-03-2008 09:17PM

Get rid of the automatic red for a GK that takes a man down in the 18. As a GK I go down to get the ball, miss it a bit and the player goes down. Red is far too harsh.

Now if theplayer is passed me and I take him down, then red.

I dont think that Kusczak should have been redded against Portsmouth.

oobydooby · 27-03-2008 09:25PM

I'd like to see an end to throw-ins. I'd also like a sin-bin as in rugby for yellows. Agree with all the OP's suggested improvements.

KdjaCL · 27-03-2008 09:43PM

Offside rule doesnt work so well nightowls league used to use it, defenders sit on the end line and the ball doesnt get pressed as much. leaving large gaps between both sets of defenders, leaving a bigger playing area.

As a man utd fan your passing pressing game would be lost with that system.

kdjac

Vokes · 27-03-2008 09:49PM

1. Retrospective banning for diving

2. Goal-line tech

3. Multi-ball extratime

All definitely workable.

Bubs101 · 27-03-2008 09:54PM

Agree with the celebration rule. An abbsolute joke.

I would like to see manager's get chalenges ala American football to go to a video ref over certain decisions. Might cut down on the bull**** of Ferguson criticizing referee's decisions after the match if he can make 1 and only 1 challenge.

Also, referee's can be dropped for bad games

growler · 27-03-2008 10:12PM

the rules are fine as they stand, with the possible exception of the "over celebrating" rule, the application of them is my main issue, bring in a video / fourth official and all will be fine.

Pepe LeFrits · 27-03-2008 10:21PM

1. An overhaul to the yellow/red card system and the accompanying suspensions. A yellow card should mean a sin-binning. The ref specifies for how long, that way the team that suffers the foul gets the reward, not some other team at a later date. A player can get yellow carded many times in a match, but each time he does his team is reduced to 10 men for a specified time. A red card is reserved for serious offences and the suspension duration is dependent on the referee's report.

2. 60 minute matches. When the ball is out of play, the clock stops. No time added on. // Edit - However the ball has to go out of play for a half to end. The exception being when a foul is committed.

3. Retrospective punishment for dives, missed serious foul play, etc.

4. Abolishment of the kicking-the-ball-out unofficial rule.

Mr. Presentable · 27-03-2008 10:49PM

PHB wrote: »

After all the talk about dissent, and what it should/is, I was wondering what rule changes people would like to see.

C. Removal of the stupid yellow card for taking off your shirt.

D. Free kicks allowed to be retaken for anything bar a goal if somebody isn't ten yards away. Anybody within ten yards gets always booked.

E. Also, I'd like to see refs wear mics so we can hear what they are saying just like in rugby.

C. Rule is a good one as it stands.

D. If the guy's not the required distance don't take the kick. But ultimately let the ref decide.

E. Doesn't the ref wear a mic in Italy, for example? I'm not sure what's to be gained by fans being able to hear him.

I'd like to see the number of subs reduced to two to even out the squads a little.

SantryRed · 27-03-2008 10:54PM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

1. An overhaul to the yellow/red card system and the accompanying suspensions. A yellow card should mean a sin-binning. The ref specifies for how long, that way the team that suffers the foul gets the reward, not some other team at a later date. A player can get yellow carded many times in a match, but each time he does his team is reduced to 10 men for a specified time. A red card is reserved for serious offences and the suspension duration is dependent on the referee's report.

2. 60 minute matches. When the ball is out of play, the clock stops. No time added on. // Edit - However the ball has to go out of play for a half to end. The exception being when a foul is committed.

Might aswell give them an oval ball too:D:p

Pepe LeFrits · 27-03-2008 10:56PM

SantryRed wrote: »

Might aswell give them an oval ball too:D:p

That reminds me, only the captains should be allowed speak to the ref, unless spoken to.

They should hurry up and bring that in.

Mr. Presentable · 27-03-2008 10:59PM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

NO MORE YELLOWS for ...going into the crowd. Its a total joke.

Actually, that should be a red. And I'm not joking.

kleefarr · 27-03-2008 11:04PM

Once you cross the halfway line with the ball you can't go back into your own half with it. No passing back to your own half either when in the other half.

Should be interesting.

SantryRed · 27-03-2008 11:51PM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

That reminds me, only the captains should be allowed speak to the ref, unless spoken to.

They should hurry up and bring that in.

I agree with this one. Should be automatic yellow cards if anyone else speaks to the ref as well.

eZe^ · 28-03-2008 12:09AM

kleefarr wrote: »

Once you cross the halfway line with the ball you can't go back into your own half with it. No passing back to your own half either when in the other half.

Say bye bye to goals similar to Argentina's in the wc and Barca's against liverpool some years ago so.

Xavi6 · 28-03-2008 12:33AM

Before they start making new rules how about enforcing the ones that are already there? i.e. foul throw ins. F*cking hell the amount of 'professionals' that can't take a throw in is unbelievable yet referees don't enforce the rule 99% of the time.

iregk · 28-03-2008 09:16AM

PHB wrote: »

A. 5 Match bans for everybody who is found guilty of diving on a video replay.

I think 5 match is a little harsh but I'm all in favour of retrospectively banning players caught diving.

PHB wrote: »

B. A yellow card for anybody who surrounds the ref. A yellow card for anyone who keeps talking to the ref after he says to go away.

This for me should be, only the captains and the offending player should be allowed to go near the ref. Everyone else gets a yellow.

PHB wrote: »

C. Removal of the stupid yellow card for taking off your shirt.

Agreed.

PHB wrote: »

D. Free kicks allowed to be retaken for anything bar a goal if somebody isn't ten yards away. Anybody within ten yards gets always booked.

I actually think if someone runs at the ball before its kicked, ala eboue against chelsea last week, the player gets a yellow and the wall gets removed!

PHB wrote: »

E. Penalties being retaken if the goal is even an inch off his line.

That is actually a rule thats not enfoced. I think it should be.

PHB wrote: »

Then the final one, and its kinda a big change, the introduction of two new lines on the pitch, between the half way line and the goal line, to make four big lines on the pitch. Within the middle two lines, there can be no offside.
This would result in much more open play, and make it much more difficult to execute the offside trap.

Are you honestly for real with this one? Watching a well organised defense execute the offside trap to perfection is to some (me) as good as watching a great fast passing attacking move. Maybe thats because I am and was always a defensive player but take the milan defense under baresi's captaincy and indeed under maldini's a few years back it was a joy to behold. They way they moved completely in sync is an art form that would be destroyed by this rule. It would also make life a lot easier for those idiotic forwards such as Kalou that don't seem to know anything about to offside rule.

Actually that brings me to my rule change.

Bring back the offside rule! If a player is off and interfering with play he is off side end of story. If he is not interfering then he isn't. None of this active passive, phase 1 2 or 3 rubbish.

iregk · 28-03-2008 09:19AM

nipplenuts wrote: »

Actually, that should be a red. And I'm not joking.

Do you want to just sanitise the game all together?

RE*AC*TOR · 28-03-2008 09:30AM

A - agree (maybe not 5 matches)
B - agree - must be consistently applied
C - disagree - nothing wrong with a modicum of decorum
D - disagree - existing rule should be enforced - lack of referee consistency
E - disagree - happens so quickly its hard to tell

two new lines - that's just silly

NotWormBoy · 28-03-2008 10:12AM

PHB wrote: »

A. 5 Match bans for everybody who is found guilty of diving on a video replay.
B. A yellow card for anybody who surrounds the ref. A yellow card for anyone who keeps talking to the ref after he says to go away.
C. Removal of the stupid yellow card for taking off your shirt.
D. Free kicks allowed to be retaken for anything bar a goal if somebody isn't ten yards away. Anybody within ten yards gets always booked.
E. Penalties being retaken if the goal is even an inch off his line.
F.Also, I'd like to see refs wear mics so we can hear what they are saying just like in rugby.

A. Yeah. Maybe not 5, but a ban anyways. Retrospective punishment all the way.
B. Agreed.
C. Agreed.
D. Ah, the rule is grand as is.
E. Yeah thats one that is kinda ignored, but since it was part of Liverpool winning a CL final, I'll take it as is :rolleyes:
F. Yeah, I completely agree with this one. Hopefully we'll catch a few of the things the players say to the ref too - and people will realise just how much abuse a ref really gets.

I'd also go with sin-binning ala rugby, but only for professional fouls (something thats hard to judge, I know). If someone's chopping a player down just as he's about to launch a promising counterattack, then he deserves to spend some time on the sidelines.

Mr. Presentable · 28-03-2008 10:21AM

iregk wrote: »

Do you want to just sanitise the game all together?

Leaving the field of play is not part of the game!

PHB · 28-03-2008 10:58AM

RE*AC*TOR wrote: »

E - disagree - happens so quickly its hard to tell

It's the same principle as the offside, considering the linesman knows exactly where to look, it shouldn't be hard. It's never enforced anymore, and keepers who are honest are punished.

As for the 2 extra lines, my issue is that I want the offside trap completely eliminated from the game. It's a skill no doubt, but not one that I wanted add to the game of football. However its a byproduct of the offside rule which is necessary, but pushing back where offside is allowed to happen would be greatly beneficial to an attacking game.

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