Over 1/3 of people say a victim of rape is partly responsible if....

darkman2 · 26-03-2008 08:58PM #1

*shock horror* - Id say its higher then that in reality but that is what was said in a survey on rape victims today. A substantial minority believe simply that some (possibly most?) victims bring it on themselves in some way either through wearing 'revealing clothing' (seemingly unaware this attracts attention!) or being intentionally or unintentionally vague about giving their own consent. Rape, of course, is one of the most serious and worst crimes imaginable however I think it is entirely reasonable for the general public to enquire as to why some women (actually many if you go out on a Saturday night in town for example) dont use a bit more cop on.

What do you think?

Karl Hungus · 26-03-2008 09:01PM

Quite honestly, anyone who believes it's the woman's fault (Or for that matter, man's fault) is an idiot. Rape should not be excused. Might as well start blaming children for paedophiles.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 26-03-2008 09:03PM

what's the biggest cause of paedophilia?

that's right, sexy children.

AlmightyCushion · 26-03-2008 09:03PM

So what you are saying is that if a women is wearing revealing clothing it's their own fault if they get raped? That's just nonsense.

Overheal · 26-03-2008 09:03PM

The fact remains that I saw more revealing clothes back in my teen disco days than I have in my nightclub days.

*sigh

26-03-2008 09:05PM

I think I'm going to file a list of all the after hourers who subscribe to this opinion.
Attend christmas beers.
Stalk each mark until they are suitably incapable of fighting me off.
And see how many root ginger butt plugs I can work my way through.

Give it a try before you post said opinion.....and judge for yourself if it worth it.

Matthewthebig · 26-03-2008 09:07PM

I Am Shocked And Appalled

keen · 26-03-2008 09:08PM

The only person to blame is the rapist.

Can't see how anyone can make any sort of valid argument to support the rapist in the slighest.

And the "short skirt low cut top" point is one of the stupidest things I've heard on the matter.

WindSock · 26-03-2008 09:10PM

I thought it was 25%. And it's the persons fault for looking too hot. They should take a leaf out of Afghanistans books and cover up completely. I bet no one gets raped there.

kittensoft1984 · 26-03-2008 09:13PM

This is a mental report.

Like in reality its not like women go out to get raped is it?

Women should be allowed to wear what they like without the fear that it will be construed as something else.

There was another part of this report that said that women were responsible if they flirted excessively.....like WTF!? i flirt with men....its in my nature. Does that mean i should be fearful of getting raped????

If a woman says no they mean no.

Hellm0 · 26-03-2008 09:15PM

From the very fact that rape is sexual intercourse without consent I do not think that it is excusable in any way shape or form.

That said I do think that there is a possible requirement for legislation to protect men from prosecution when the situation involves large volumes of alcohol intake. That is not to say that it is not rape when the victim is unconscious but rather to prevent a narrative complex where women simply call it rape when they black out and wake up beside someone ugly. The supposed victim may just have had too much to drink etc and not remembered the interaction then filled in the gaps in their memory by supposing that it was rape(lets say hypothetically the female in question was the one who initiated a sexual context).

Of course the above argument is negated when there is a possibility the victim was drugged, in which case there is no doubt that a crime was committed,unless of course the drug's were consumed with consent(IE no taking pill's willingly then saying it was date rape).

AlmightyCushion · 26-03-2008 09:15PM

kittensoft1984 wrote: »

If a woman says no they mean no.

They really mean yes, they're just playing hard to get.

darkman2 · 26-03-2008 09:15PM

I dont think the people in the survey were asked 'could they defend a rapist?' - no one should do that. However before the morally righteous start getting digs in they might want to read into carefully what is being said - that some women act and dress inappropriately on nights out. Is this being denied by the herd rushing in to get the first response? Attribute absolutely no blame to the woman at all in any circumstance?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 26-03-2008 09:17PM

how do you dress inappropriately?

Hellm0 · 26-03-2008 09:21PM

Mordeth wrote: »

how do you dress inappropriately?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 26-03-2008 09:24PM

well tbh I'm all for raping emo's.

Overheal · 26-03-2008 09:24PM

Mordeth wrote: »

how do you dress inappropriately?

when youre 15 years old and your whole back; and stomach; and legs are showing. Basically when you decide you only need to cover 33% of your body.

kittensoft1984 · 26-03-2008 09:24PM

+1

how do women dress inappropriately?

are we living in a society were it is dictated what women are and are not allowed to wear?

granted i am surprised at what some girls wear out on nights out but at the sames time its their choice and they shouldnt have fear because of it

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 26-03-2008 09:26PM

Overheal wrote: »

when youre 15 years old and your whole back; and stomach; and legs are showing. Basically when you decide you only need to cover 33% of your body.

not too long ago it would have been innapropriate for women to display a bit of ankle or, ye gods, knees!.

Society didn't implode then, I don't think it's going to do so now either.

slut away girls, slut away.

Overheal · 26-03-2008 09:29PM

Sadly they cant be told what not to wear but you have to assume that what you wear has an affect on how much of a target you are.

Educate them and let them make the choice; but educate them.

darkman2 · 26-03-2008 09:29PM

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Quite honestly, anyone who believes it's the woman's fault is an idiot.

No one said it was 'the woman's fault' - It was all about 'partial' blame...i.e do you think what a woman wears (for example) will attract unwanted attention? - The answer is going to be yes unfortunately no matter how full of milk and honey some seem to think the world is.

Fremen · 26-03-2008 09:30PM

I think I'd like to see the exact wording of that poll. Women, or men for that matter, can do things which make them much more likely to be sexually assaulted: Getting into a taxi and going home with a complete stranger, for example.

Does that make them responsible for the rape? No. Is it a foolish thing to do? I would say yes. You could interpret the words "partly responsible" as having taken a course of action which increased their likelihood of being raped, though.

kittensoft1984 · 26-03-2008 09:32PM

there is no blame on the victims part.

not even partial blame

how can anyone honestly say that it is the victims fault?

darkman2 · 26-03-2008 09:36PM

kittensoft1984 wrote: »

how can anyone honestly say that it is the victims fault?

Once again - no one did.......:rolleyes:

From RTE

Almost 33% of those surveyed thought a victim was in some way responsible for being raped if she flirted with a man or failed to say 'no' clearly.

10% of people felt the victim was entirely at fault if she had a number of sexual partners.

One in three believed a woman was either partly or fully to blame if she wore revealing clothes.

Nearly one in four people felt that a woman must share some of the blame if she walked through a deserted area.

25% believed a woman who was drunk and took illegal drugs was either partly or fully to blame.

The survey also found that adults under the age of 25 were far more likely to blame a raped woman than people aged 25 to 44.

Overheal · 26-03-2008 09:39PM

When my cousin was 17 she thought it would be an awesome idea to go out to clubs and get drunk. Before long you make your friends, bla bla bla....

Then she went to a house party after a few weeks and her drink was spiked. Whatever substance they gave her didnt knock her out - it paralised her. And she was gang-raped. she witnessed felt and heard the entire thing.

Yes, I think she had some say in how stupid she was.

Dennis the Stone · 26-03-2008 09:39PM

WindSock wrote: »

They should take a leaf out of Afghanistans books and cover up completely. I bet no one gets raped there.

I don't know.. those US troops are damn horny fellows

kittensoft1984 · 26-03-2008 09:41PM

Overheal wrote: »

When my cousin was 17 she thought it would be an awesome idea to go out to clubs and get drunk. Before long you make your friends, bla bla bla....

Then she went to a house party after a few weeks and her drink was spiked. Whatever substance they gave her didnt knock her out - it paralised her. And she was gang-raped. she witnessed felt and heard the entire thing.

Yes, I think she had some say in how stupid she was.

yes it was foolish but her drink was spiked....she wasnt to blame.

Todoquetengo · 26-03-2008 09:43PM

I'd like to know how many people they surveyed , but if it is a properly conducted survey then it's shocking that a third of people think that. No wonder so many rapes go unreported, how could you feel that people would believe you? A lot of victims already blame themselves even though it's not thier fault and this report and talk like it doesn't help. It's very sad.

seahorse · 26-03-2008 09:44PM

The very definition of rape and sexual assault is the experience of unwanted and uninvited sexual contact, so anyone who thinks it is actually possible to ‘want’ or ‘invite’ rape or sexual assault (either by way or their clothing or lack of it) is clearly misunderstanding and in need of examining the meaning of those terms.

Overheal · 26-03-2008 09:44PM

kittensoft1984 wrote: »

yes it was foolish but her drink was spiked....she wasnt to blame.

and yet every smart girl I ever served working in a nightclub knew to keep her thumb on her bottle-mouth or her hand over her glass.

youth need to be educated

its OK though a few weeks later she and her dad were in the parking lot of a Wal-Mart when they saw one of the guys. He just charged into him and beat him into the ground. When people tried to pull him off he shouted "he raped my daughter!" and everyone let him go for it

darkman2 · 26-03-2008 09:46PM

kittensoft1984 wrote: »

yes it was foolish but her drink was spiked....she wasnt to blame.

Not refering to Overheal but being stupid does not come into this at all then?

TBH act like a slapper and thats the way you should expect to be treated - reasonable to assume? Able to make your own decisions? Able to take the consequences of being foolish?

Over 1/3 of people say a victim of rape is partly responsible if....

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