Sterilize the proles!

Jay P · 25-03-2008 03:09PM

Having just reas 1984 I was diappointed to learn that this wasn't a misplaced thread. But I agree, as wrong and all as it sounds but they just can't raise a million kids properly

Hail 2 Da Chimp · 25-03-2008 03:10PM

Or we could just provide free birth control...

Dudess · 25-03-2008 03:16PM

I'm not convinced that certain people keep having children solely to get benefits. So you get a house or flat - it's gonna be a sh1thole. I worked in a housing department - the more of an emergency your housing need is, the worse the place is gonna be. And the money you're in receipt of isn't exactly all the riches in the world.
I think some people are simply uneducated, have no self control, and are lazy and irresponsible.

As for compulsory sterilisation: I can see the guy's point (particularly when it comes to people like this horrible knacker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizzy_Bardsley) but it's just too sinister and reminiscent of scary stuff that went on in Europe 50 years ago, so no, I would not be in favour of it.

Gummy Panda · 25-03-2008 03:28PM

i'm from ballymun so i've seen people using their kids and the book to get the likes of new cars (on finance) and such. They'd live with their boyfriends and claim single mother benefits including rent allowance.

I don't want to begrudge people but it kinda sucks to see people getting an easy ride through life from my taxes.

Handsome Bob · 25-03-2008 04:03PM

Eh, what kind of discussion is this? I don't know how to interpret a lot of the posts in this thread but all I will say is that if you support that mans view you may as well support eugenics.

Doctor DooM · 25-03-2008 04:06PM

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Eh, what kind of discussion is this? I don't know how to interpret a lot of the posts in this thread but all I will say is that if you support that mans view you may as well support eugenics.

It a discussion in After hours so its 95% waffle, 4.5% serious discussion and 0.5% pics or it didn't happen.

You're right btw.

Handsome Bob · 25-03-2008 04:11PM

SDooM wrote: »

It a discussion in After hours so its 95% waffle, 4.5% serious discussion and 0.5% pics or it didn't happen.

You're right btw.

Yeah, I kind of got that feeling man. Thanks for the heads up about this forum!:D

Also, isn't just shocking that it was a tory who made those comments? Never.:)

blah · 25-03-2008 04:12PM

SDooM wrote: »

It a discussion in After hours so its 95% waffle, 4.5% serious discussion and 0.5% pics or it didn't happen.

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Rb · 25-03-2008 04:16PM

I fully agree with him.

Doctor DooM · 25-03-2008 04:18PM

blah wrote: »

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'kay, thats a LOL in work from me, you git!

Doctor DooM · 25-03-2008 04:20PM

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Yeah, I kind of got that feeling man. Thanks for the heads up about this forum!:D

Also, isn't just shocking that it was a tory who made those comments? Never.:)

I hope you are not saying the tory pary are out of touch. they will have one of their people come over and thrash you for a farthing

Dudess · 25-03-2008 04:27PM

I'm not in agreement with the guy either but at the same time, if I was, would I really be supporting eugenics? It wouldn't be a bid to keep a particular race pure/eradicate another race.

Sam Vimes · 25-03-2008 04:29PM

Fremen wrote: »

Soooo.... then they starve? Or sell themselves on the street?

or, and this is a mind blowing idea, get a job?

of course exceptions should be made for people who are incapable of working

Rb · 25-03-2008 04:31PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

or, and this is a mind blowing idea, get a job?

of course exceptions should be made for people who are incapable of working

Exactly.

Massive LOL at thinking without welfare they'd go starving, perhaps that's because they're lazy fckers who wouldn't get a job? Which at the end of the day is who's problem? That's right, it's theirs, if they starved and died as a consequence of their own laziness, then society as a whole is better off.

Dudess · 25-03-2008 04:44PM

Fremen wrote: »

Soooo.... then they starve? Or sell themselves on the street?

That's a strange thing to say. Do you honestly think those are the only alternatives for able-bodied, healthy people in their prime?

Rob_l · 25-03-2008 04:47PM

Its not about the parents starving its about the effect withdrawing welfare would have on the child's life.

L31mr0d · 25-03-2008 04:51PM

Reminds of that "Ethics" email that did the rounds. Worth a read if you haven't already:

http://www.sculpturesplace.com/bbs/index.cgi/noframes/read/302

Not being in agreement with the policy I do however think there should be some sort of control on the amount of children a person can have, maybe not sterilizing the person but reducing the amount of welfare a person receives for each additional child they have.

Dudess · 25-03-2008 04:55PM

But then that will cause the poor kids to "starve"...

Seriously, that kind of mindset only encourages a lack of personal responsibility.

CCCP^ · 25-03-2008 05:01PM

Can you imagine how much of a farce and bloody nightmare such a program would be if undertaken in Ireland by the HSE? Jesus. I shudder to think about it.

Perhaps the promotion of better family planning, free or at best more affordable condoms and the removal of welfare benefits after the 3rd child would be more acceptable and more successful?

I think, with the way things are currently going on Planet Consume, that it won't be long before rationing is introduced. Might be a good idea to start cutting back on the population, especially in Ireland where everything is imported.

LouOB · 25-03-2008 05:04PM

There have been alot of good ideas on this thread

Now, if only we could co-ordinate our powers for them to be implemented...hmmmmm.
Oh .... ask Hitler he had all the good ideas.....

kmick · 25-03-2008 05:08PM

Some are suggesting reduced or blocked benefits for more than 1 or 2 children. This assumes the same people who bring their children along to score smack by Tara street Dart station have the foresight and sense to just stop after 2 children. Do you think these people are rational or sensible? If they were they would have no children in the first place. They would have internal monologues which would agonize over bringing a child into a world of addiction and violence.

In the immortal words of Pulp

You'll never live like common people,
you'll never do what common people do,
you'll never fail like common people,
you'll never watch your life slide out of view,
and dance and drink and screw,
because there's nothing else to do.

LouOB wrote: »

There have been alot of good ideas on this thread

Now, if only we could co-ordinate our powers for them to be implemented...hmmmmm.
Oh .... ask Hitler he had all the good ideas.....

Yeah and you would be working in the salt mines if Hitler was in power.

Dudess · 25-03-2008 05:19PM

kmick wrote: »

Some are suggesting reduced or blocked benefits for more than 1 or 2 children. This assumes the same people who bring their children along to score smack by Tara street Dart station have the foresight and sense to just stop after 2 children. Do you think these people are rational or sensible? If they were they would have no children in the first place. They would have internal monologues which would agonize over bringing a child into a world of addiction and violence.

Well yeah, it should go without saying that the "get a job" strategy isn't applicable to people who aren't capable of it, like the above.

In the immortal words of Pulp

You'll never live like common people,
you'll never do what common people do,
you'll never fail like common people,
you'll never watch your life slide out of view,
and dance and drink and screw,
because there's nothing else to do.

Hmmm, that's more in reference to the working classes rather than the under classes (not my phrase, but a term for homeless people, drug addicts etc). I like that song but, while middle and upper middle class people who aspire to be working class are morons, working class people who are proud of themselves and consider themselves better than middle class people (i.e. those with the "you'll never live like common people" mindset) are also morons.

connundrum · 25-03-2008 05:21PM

Rob_l wrote: »

Yeah and while we are at it lets kill old people that live too long or people who have a disability and are unable to work they are all drains on the system too. Think how we could clear the health systems problems by just killing people who are persistently sick.

Do you have a newsletter that I might subscribe to :pac:

Sterilization ftw!

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

Or we could just provide free birth control...

I'm thinking that this idea, and starilization would obviously give a load of people a licence to ride around them. Expect a dramatic increase in STD's should this come in. (Excuse the pun)

Sam Vimes · 25-03-2008 05:25PM

LouOB wrote: »

There have been alot of good ideas on this thread

Now, if only we could co-ordinate our powers for them to be implemented...hmmmmm.
Oh .... ask Hitler he had all the good ideas.....

godwin's law states that the thread must now be closed

TwoShedsJackson · 25-03-2008 05:57PM

SDooM wrote: »

Yes. The government should be allowed perform unconsented medical proceedures out on people who have commited no crime. That would be a great thing for any country.

Sounds fine to me. Constant propagating of the ignorant, ill-educated, welfare-claiming, slack-jawed knack underclass should be made a crime anyway.

gcgirl · 25-03-2008 06:35PM

If we lived in a Ireland where child care was afforable I would love to be able to work but for Christ sake we need to do something about child care, And where guys don't walk out on their 3 kids & partner ! There are some of us trying to survive on what amounts to peanuts each week! Try bring up 3 kids on 260 euro's a week!

SheroN · 25-03-2008 06:37PM

gcgirl wrote: »

If we lived in a Ireland where child care was afforable I would love to be able to work but for Christ sake we need to do something about child care, And where guys don't walk out on their 3 kids & partner ! There are some of us trying to survive on what amounts to peanuts each week! Try bring up 3 kids on 260 euro's a week!

I've decided not to post a reply to this post.

gcgirl · 25-03-2008 06:38PM

is_that_so wrote: »

They'd need to be tagged first otherwise perfectly good breeding stock could be taken out in the crossfire.
Seriously I'd favour far greater State powers to intervene , to arrange for fostering or perhaps adoption. And why not include a free sterilisation as part of the State benefits. IMO it gives everyone a better chance.

sterilisation in Ireland we still live in Catholic ireland and you have to have one hell of a good reason to get one!

Dinter · 25-03-2008 06:51PM

Think this is a great idea. I don't see it as eugenics as, as far as I can make out, it's across the board and not aimed at any one race.

If it was to be introduced it would have to be adjudicated on a case by case basis but I think it's definitely worth implementing.

Sick and tired of seeing revenues frittered away to pay for housing and benefits for people who deliberately and wilfully breed as a career path.

Why facilitate it any longer?

JimmyCrackCorn! · 25-03-2008 07:01PM

Worked in china!

Sterilize the proles!

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