Alcohol Fuelled Crime

Cianos · 19-03-2008 07:46PM

I'd loosen all the laws up....24 hour licensing, kids can go to bars from the age of 16, every shop can sell booze. The only way to deal with the problem is for Irish people to have a more mature approach to booze. And that's not going to happen if the laws stay the way they are or get tighter.

Booze is still a taboo in Ireland. Most street violence happens when thousands of people spill out on to the streets at the same time, all pissed after necking the 3 drinks they got when they called last orders, piling into chippers and taxi queues.

connundrum · 19-03-2008 07:59PM

Cianos wrote: »

Booze is still a taboo in Ireland. Most street violence happens when thousands of people spill out on to the streets at the same time, all pissed after necking the 3 drinks they got when they called last orders, piling into chippers and taxi queues.

Forgot about this point actually. Agree with you 100%.

As seen only last Saturday night, one 'champ' decided that all the glasses (some half empty, some nearly full) should be cleared by him after last orders were called. I'd say that he drank the guts of 4 pints in 5 minutes. He puked almost immediately as soon as he got outside the pub, and was found asleep outside the chipper with bruises on his face later that night.

24 hour licences would relax that pressure of having to get as much into you as soon as possible. However, the English authorities are thinking about retracting the 24 hour licences issued, as crime figures have actually gone up in some areas since they were introduced.

senordingdong · 19-03-2008 08:52PM

I'm not sure about that one myself.
In practice it sounds good but I think that, in Dublin atleast, you would simply have everybody who gets turfed out of the club at 2am, legging it to the club that stays open untill 4am, or that stays open all night.

Likewise, the same gob****es who cause trouble now get longer access to their scapegoat.

Wertz · 19-03-2008 09:04PM

In a place like Dublin...or any large town, the pub/club with the latest hours would get all the business....so you'd be left with a situation where they'd ALL have to stay open as long as each other...and we're back to square one, except now the crowds are rolling onto the streets en masse at X o'clock, so everyone has to stay up kater to; police them, serve them food, taxi them home. All you do is shift the problem into the smaller hours, and end up keeping half the country awake.

matrim · 19-03-2008 09:12PM

Cianos wrote: »

I'd loosen all the laws up....24 hour licensing, kids can go to bars from the age of 16, every shop can sell booze. The only way to deal with the problem is for Irish people to have a more mature approach to booze. And that's not going to happen if the laws stay the way they are or get tighter.

Booze is still a taboo in Ireland. Most street violence happens when thousands of people spill out on to the streets at the same time, all pissed after necking the 3 drinks they got when they called last orders, piling into chippers and taxi queues.

If you did this you would have to make sure to enforce the laws around bars selling drink to already very drunk people. It would then stop the crowds of people moving from one pub to the next all night

DonkeyStyle \o/ · 19-03-2008 09:23PM

I think more heavy sack beatings are the way forward.

meathstevie · 19-03-2008 10:07PM

It's about time we stopped pointing the finger at alcohol as an explanation for the behaviour of a bunch of scumbags. Does anyone honestly think that putting scum in the drydock is going to stop them being thugs ? I for one don't, they're just going to be sober scum.

When I hear the arguments for increasing the price of a drink from the already exorbitant to the downright astronomical I just can't believe the simplicity of the argument. Remember, the US tried to ban drink altogether and had to roll back the decision because the only thing they achieved was creating a market for organised crime selling drink at exorbitant prices. Already drink is being smuggled into Ireland at significant levels to beat prices..you only need to be at Dublin Airport when the flights from the Baltic and the Canary Islands come in to see what I'm talking about. Anyway, a longwinded semi-rant making the point that drink pricing has little or no impact, it only makes it harder on Joe Soap who enjoys a few pints and doesn't use this as an excuse to go on the rampage.

As for the example of those thugs in Finglas, what the hell is wrong with a public order policing approach French style. If those incidents would have been in the suburbs of let's say Lille it would have taken no time for the Mayor to call in about 200 CRS lads to waltz these scumbags from Lille to Paris and back in front of a shieldwall booting seven colors of crap out of them while they're at it. See how eager to indulge in a bit of "drink fuelled anti-social behaviour" they would be by the time they got their dues.

Cianos · 19-03-2008 10:28PM

Wertz wrote: »

In a place like Dublin...or any large town, the pub/club with the latest hours would get all the business....so you'd be left with a situation where they'd ALL have to stay open as long as each other...and we're back to square one, except now the crowds are rolling onto the streets en masse at X o'clock, so everyone has to stay up kater to; police them, serve them food, taxi them home. All you do is shift the problem into the smaller hours, and end up keeping half the country awake.

I don't think this would be the case. There probably would be a lot of that carry on at the start, just due to the sheer novelty factor, but in terms of actual logistics, having ALL closing times within a half hour of each other pushes 99% of the boozers out on to the street at pretty much the same time. If there were places open til, say, 10am, the amount of people still going at that hour would be tiny, definitely less than 10%...so the other 90% can trickle out at whatever time they wish.

As I said, it'd take a while for Irish people to adapt to their new liberties, but eventually things would settle down and within a few years I think we would have a much more mature attitude towards drinking

Dark_lord_ire · 19-03-2008 10:29PM

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote: »

I think more heavy sack beatings are the way forward.

Hehe i love it. Can you swing a sack of door knobs?????

On a serious note however, maybe some of the views are right with making the drinking laws more liberal. I was just thinking about Eastern Europe, travelling around there i noticed in alot of places you could drink on the streets, in the parks etc but i did not see anyone falling around drunk everyone was well mannered. Its just the culture here, most of us are mature enough when we drink however maybe 10% or so can hack it. They ruin it for everyone. I will admit when i was 15 i was getting s%$tfaced with friends. But we were never bad, just being careful not to get caught or would be sore for a month

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