fúcking guards

Neamhshuntasach · 19-03-2008 11:04AM

Terry wrote: »

What exactly was your friend doing that would entail the Gardai asking him for ID in the first place?

Threw a phone over the other side of a canal to a mate. The guard came over and asked what he was throwing. Said it was just a phone and that he was giving it to a mate. Was asked for ID and said he had none. Took his details and said you will receive a summons in the post for violating law mentioned earlier.

Neamhshuntasach · 19-03-2008 11:11AM

DubArk wrote: »

A law does exist and was amended in 2001 from the original law of 1994.

Where a defendant accepts to any extent an allegation in a statement that—

In the case of a conviction for a drug trafficking offence, has benefited from drug trafficking,

So maybe your mate was off his head at the time!? No one in Ireland has to carry ID whilst just walking down the street. :rolleyes:

My mate doesn't drink and wouldn't even touch a cigarette. He's a Irish-Iranian muslim. So maybe it was a race thing or something because the person who caught the phone was called over and had his name taken too but wasn't asked for ID. And it was around 11 in the morning on the way in to croke park for the club finals. To me that's just abusing power. Common sense by looking at someone should tell whether they are on drugs.

Boggles · 19-03-2008 11:14AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

When they are policing public events and they believe something may cause an offence or a breach of the peace, they can do pretty much what they like.

Your thinking of Tibet mate.

One Cop said go the other said no. Sounds like a build up of something deeper between the 2 cops, probably sexual, statistically 97.34% of all guards are gay.

(Stats Based on hear say and loose talk!)

biko · 19-03-2008 11:18AM

If you don't like the police try calling a hippie next time you're in trouble.

DubArk · 19-03-2008 11:23AM

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

My mate doesn't drink and wouldn't even touch a cigarette. He's a Irish-Iranian muslim. So maybe it was a race thing or something because the person who caught the phone was called over and had his name taken too but wasn't asked for ID. And it was around 11 in the morning on the way in to croke park for the club finals. To me that's just abusing power. Common sense by looking at someone should tell whether they are on drugs.

Abusing what power?
Well as drugs weren’t mentioned and 10 of the criminal offences act 2001 was; I thought first of all Id tell about the said Act and then inform you that it had nothing to do with your experience! Now your saying that you think it had something to do with Immigration laws???
Again NO it is an Act to do with Drug trafficking etc….

Maybe ring the Garda and ask them what they meant that day and inform yourself of the facts.

source · 19-03-2008 11:28AM

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

My mate doesn't drink and wouldn't even touch a cigarette. He's a Irish-Iranian muslim. So maybe it was a race thing or something because the person who caught the phone was called over and had his name taken too but wasn't asked for ID. And it was around 11 in the morning on the way in to croke park for the club finals. To me that's just abusing power. Common sense by looking at someone should tell whether they are on drugs.

I take it that your friend looks like he's from a middle eastern country, The Garda in question probably thought he was an immigrant, as immigrants legally have to carry an ID which is issued by the Garda National Immigration Bureau. If they don't it's an offence.

If your friend is a holder of an Irish passport then he has nothing to worry about.

and if i saw somebody throwing something across a canal to someone who was on their way into croke park on a match day i'd be suspicious too.

Neamhshuntasach · 19-03-2008 11:36AM

DubArk wrote: »

Abusing what power?
Well as drugs weren’t mentioned and 10 of the criminal offences act 2001 was; I thought first of all Id tell about the said Act and then inform you that it had nothing to do with your experience! Now your saying that you think it had something to do with Immigration laws???
Again NO it is an Act to do with Drug trafficking etc….

Maybe ring the Garda and ask them what they meant that day and inform yourself of the facts.

The power entrusted onto them to uphold the peace and serve and protect. Why was he told that he had to carry ID on him and that it was an offense not to? Why was his name taken and told he will receive a summons? Surely it's not illegal to throw a phone to a friend. Even if the guard just seen something been thrown and then came over to investigate. It should have been plain as day that they were both sober and merely passing a phone to each other for convenience sake rather than walk the length of the canal to do so.

Both are Irish, one is of Iranian descent. The 2 of them are asked for ID to which neither of them had any. The one of Iranian descent gets told he should carry ID and is breaking the law by not doing so. Gets his name and address taken while the other one has his name and address taken at face value.

And i didn't say it was something to do with race. I said maybe it was given how the scenario was played out.

DubArk · 19-03-2008 11:44AM

You've said all that before and more!
You wanted to know about the bloody act! Didn't you? I've now explained twice!
And you’re giving me grief!

DubArk · 19-03-2008 11:46AM

By the way I never said RACE either! Immigration laws???
was what i said.... Read what I write.

source · 19-03-2008 12:04PM

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Both are Irish, one is of Iranian descent. The 2 of them are asked for ID to which neither of them had any. The one of Iranian descent gets told he should carry ID and is breaking the law by not doing so. Gets his name and address taken while the other one has his name and address taken at face value.

Look at the last post above yours, i've pretty much explained what probably happened, Yes it's unfortunate what happened, but all your friend would have to do is bring his passport into the garda in question and show the garda that he is an irish citizen. Then there would be no problem.

Dark_lord_ire · 19-03-2008 02:07PM

Makes no difference what this thread is about. He won't complain cos he knows even the independant ombusman would laugh at him

Anyway you won't change anything. Hats off to the police keeps the scummers in finglas away from the rest of us. Give them more power, shoot all scum

DubArk · 19-03-2008 02:16PM

Dark_lord_ire wrote: »

Makes no difference what this thread is about. He won't complain cos he knows even the independant ombusman would laugh at him Anyway you won't change anything. Hats off to the police keeps the scummers in finglas away from the rest of us. Give them more power, shoot all scum

Obviously because you haven’t read any of it!! Dah:(
Great insight!

pickarooney · 19-03-2008 04:28PM

How can they summons you if you don't identify yourself? Send a letter to 'phone-throwing bloke, lives near canal' ?

Same with this:

The Garda in question probably thought he was an immigrant, as immigrants legally have to carry an ID which is issued by the Garda National Immigration Bureau

How do they decide who has to carry ID and who doesn't? Suely you'd have to carry ID to prove that you were someone who didn't need to carry ID in that case?

My mind meted like a icepop

Dark_lord_ire · 19-03-2008 05:28PM

DubArk wrote: »

Obviously because you haven’t read any of it!! Dah:(
Great insight!

Good morning ark thank you for joining the rest of us, the post was about a person who was stopped and had their drink bottle empty as it may be taken from them. Your gone off on a tangent. I was citing the first post in this thread.

ressem · 19-03-2008 05:33PM

DubArk wrote: »

A law does exist and was amended in 2001 from the original law of 1994.

Where a defendant accepts to any extent an allegation in a statement that—

Only place that's found that I see is the Criminal Justice (Terrorist Offenses) Act 2005, which amends the “Guilty Pleas and Other Matters” part of the 1994 act.

The only relevant act in 2001 (http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2001/acts.html) is the Theft and Fraud offenses act.

Where section 10 covers dishonestly failing to provide documents required for accounting purposes, with the intention of gaining as a result.

Or can you link to the amendment and section you're referring to?

Collie D · 19-03-2008 05:34PM

Dark_lord_ire wrote: »

Good morning ark thank you for joining the rest of us, the post was about a person who was stopped and had their drink bottle empty as it may be taken from them. Your gone off on a tangent. I was citing the first post in this thread.

I think he was implying that you need to grow a brain which I give a big +1 to

Dark_lord_ire · 19-03-2008 05:35PM

Mind you looking at my post seems i went off on a tangent too

anyway long and short of it will people stop with their petty complaints about civil rights. people should be thankful to be here, try complaining in Iraq see how far they gets

Dark_lord_ire · 19-03-2008 05:36PM

Collie D wrote: »

I think he was implying that you need to grow a brain which I give a big +1 to

I think you need to grow a set of balls

Collie D · 19-03-2008 05:37PM

Dark_lord_ire wrote: »

I think you need to grow a set of balls

Did it ever occur to you that I might be female?

Terry · 19-03-2008 05:39PM

Dark_lord_ire wrote: »

I think you need to grow a set of balls

I think you need to stop with this crap before I ban you.

Dark_lord_ire · 19-03-2008 05:47PM

Collie D wrote: »

Did it ever occur to you that I might be female?

hmmmmm good point

jetski · 19-03-2008 05:48PM

shedevil, your missing the point im afraid.

Its the Principle of the fact. and the fact is he abused this youngsters rights regardless of what you consider to be acceptable. your dealing with the law and the law has to be goverened very carefully, which has not been happening.

In my opinion its 75% of an guarda Síochána are pure low lifes and the rest are a decent bunch of fellow... its the tramps like the one mentioned who need a good belt of a slipper.

DubArk · 19-03-2008 06:00PM

Dark_lord_ire wrote: »

Mind you looking at my post seems i went off on a tangent too anyway long and short of it will people stop with their petty complaints about civil rights. people should be thankful to be here, try complaining in Iraq see how far they gets

I have kept with the thread..... read what i said on this subject please!

Dark_lord_ire · 19-03-2008 06:03PM

jetski wrote: »

shedevil, your missing the point im afraid.

Its the Principle of the fact. and the fact is he abused this youngsters rights regardless of what you consider to be acceptable. your dealing with the law and the law has to be goverened very carefully, which has not been happening.

In my opinion its 75% of an guarda Síochána are pure low lifes and the rest are a decent bunch of fellow... its the tramps like the one mentioned who need a good belt of a slipper.

i would think its more 99% are good, you get the bad egg all the time cops are no exception. Drinking on the street is an offence here rightly so he has a problem with the cops taking his bottle, well would be worse if he was before the court would be a small fine but would be proven the guard was right. I think half the reason the country is going to the dogs is we don't support our own police when we should, give them more respect and authority. maybe its just an irish thing that we don't, too bullish

Collie D · 19-03-2008 06:09PM

In fairness I think the younger Guards are more likely to be c*nts than the older crowd. There is no such thing as comunity polocing any more and the only time that Guards interact with the communtity that they are supposed to be serving is to be a pain. People can't just get behind a force that treats them as if they're scum because of the area they live in. If the Guards want to be respected they need to start giving some respect back.

Pat Mustard · 19-03-2008 06:19PM

Section 21 of the Public Order Act 1994, allows the Gardai Siochana to confiscate disposable drinks containers from members of the public on passing a Garda barrier. The Garda acted within the law

The Public Order Act does seriously infringe civil liberties though. Look at section 5, which makes behaviour 'likely to cause serious annoyance' a criminal offence.

Ronan Keating could be doing a life sentence.:D

http://acts.oireachtas.ie/print/zza2y1994.1.html

Dark_lord_ire · 19-03-2008 06:20PM

yeah but i think they do give repect i was arrested 2 yrs ago in Galway. I was was drunk and put in the paddy wagon as i would not do what i was told. Back at the station, i was told i could leave no charge more becuase i was saying sorry i did see how much of a p*ick i was. thats the only time i had a bad run in with them was my own fault. Once i gave them respect i got it back, any other time i deal with them at check points always been polite.

By the way when i was an idiot and ended up in the station i did see the amount of bullcrap they have to deal with and i repected them more.

Try being nice and see how that works. i think they do a great job. Mind you they never caught the person who broke into my house but cant hold that against them either

Sugar Drunk · 19-03-2008 06:46PM

For every decent guard out there there is another thats just on a power
trip. Was in a town in kildare on monday to march in a paddys day parade. drove to a junction behind some cars and a float who were also in the parade on the way to the meeting point. Ban guard lets the cars in front turn right but then signals to us that we have to go straight on. when I queried it I was told 'thats for the parade' so I explained that I was in the parade (why the hell else would I have been dressed up?), still no. so after parking up the road and walking all the way back down there she is allowing several more cars with plain clothed people to turn right! that sort of power tripping crap just annoys me. same as the guards who take great pleasure at sitting at tallaght or citywest at ten to two on a weekday 'checking tax and insurance' knowing full well they are making several people come back late from their lunch and enjoying it

TheNog · 19-03-2008 07:50PM

Dark_lord_ire wrote: »

I think you need to grow a set of balls

Collie D wrote: »

Did it ever occur to you that I might be female?

Best come back I've seen in a while

:D:D

Dark_lord_ire · 19-03-2008 10:52PM

Sugar Drunk wrote: »

same as the guards who take great pleasure at sitting at tallaght or citywest at ten to two on a weekday 'checking tax and insurance' knowing full well they are making several people come back late from their lunch and enjoying it

I don't think that agenda is there. No matter what time you do it during the day your always going to delay someone. sorry if i seem to be always defending the police, i actually dont think i am just don't like that noobody defends them and lets face it they are an easy target. i think we dont know how good we have it with having an unarmed force who are in harms way just so you and me can go about our business

fúcking guards

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