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[Project] SFF

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  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    wow?

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    http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=327783

    5.3ghz of watercooled SFF power :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭Anti


    conzymaher wrote: »
    wow?

    327783.png

    http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=327783

    5.3ghz of watercooled SFF power :)

    WTF ?


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Yup, thats with the ASUS P5E-VM is an animal! Most users on [H]ardForum have got atleast 480-500fsb, afaik the G35 chipset is almost identical to P35 chipset except it has integrated DX10 graphics :p

    There was a G45 version announced at Cebit too so it will be interesting to so how it performs...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭Anti


    Sweet. What vcore are you running through that cpu ?


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Oh its not mine :o It belongs to some guy over on the pcdesignlabs forum, I'm aiming for 4ghz or so :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭awhir


    with a e8400 u should get 4ghz with a small v core bump


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    I would be delighted with 4ghz and anything more than that would be a blessing :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭Chosen


    4Ghz only? watercooled? The E8500 on my home theater pc is folding 24/7 at 3600MHz with a passive cooler next to the case fan...

    If you get a half decent cpu, you should get 4.2-4.4 for everyday use ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭awhir


    Chosen wrote: »
    4Ghz only? watercooled? The E8500 on my home theater pc is folding 24/7 at 3600MHz with a passive cooler next to the case fan...

    If you get a half decent cpu, you should get 4.2-4.4 for everyday use ;)

    want to swap for a E8400 plus cash :) since its not getting full useage ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭Chosen


    awhir wrote: »
    want to swap for a E8400 plus cash :) since its not getting full useage ;)

    It depends: can it do 3600MHz with 1.21V and 100% cpu usage for 24*7?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭awhir


    will see tonight . what the max stable 24/7 you got out of it ?

    also gota E6420 .


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    This has turned into an interactive Conzy blog rather than a Shuttle build :D

    Anti change the title to "[Project]SFF" please :)

    Found some good penryn prices, and they have lots of stock:

    Xeon E3110 (E8400) for 163 euro delivered from here

    Xeon X3350 (Q9450) for 235 delivered

    Awesome prices!

    The Q9450 is 320 euro on Komplett without shipping and they have no stock :o the X3350 is damn tempting now, the penryn quads use substantially less power than the kentsfields too, closer in power consumption to an overclocked E8500 than an overclocked Q6600..

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  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Ok so i was hungry for some modding and my Lian Li PC7 Plus was on top of my locker so...

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    I'm gonna make the smallest full ATX, watercoolable case i can, Its gonna be a cube design and have a slightly larger footprint than an ATX motherboard, I will re-use as much of the original case as I can and I will probably get an aluminum shell / cover made at a local fabricator...

    If this works well, I just saved 220 euro! If it fails miserably I will buy the Qmicra :)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭L31mr0d


    conzymaher wrote: »
    Ok so i was hungry for some modding and my Lian Li PC7 Plus was on top of my locker so...

    so... you took out the case and took some photos of it :rolleyes: jeez i'd hate to see how wild you'd go if you where MORE than hungry for some modding :D /jk

    also, lol, why do you have the periodic table printed out... you mean you don't know that off by heart :eek: shame on you


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    If you were really sharp you would see the Leaving Cert timetable beside it :P

    And the case is completely stripped! fu doubting my work :D

    Ill post some more pictures later when its downsized ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭DanGerMus


    I'm gonna make the smallest full ATX, watercoolable case i can, Its gonna be a cube design and have a slightly larger footprint than an ATX motherboard

    :eek:

    Hey man i kid you not that is exactly what i've been planning to do now for weeks, if not months. I have an old beige case that is just waiting to be chopped up. I've got some really cool ideas. I want to pack as much power into as small a space as possible. Gonna do the case build first with as much of the watercooling components in place then in a few months i'll be visiting people in the US and i'll source all the parts there to save some money and slot em in hopefully.

    Anyway good luck with yours i'll be gettin mine started as soon as i piece my P180 back together.

    Fancy a "BUILD OFF" lol :cool:


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    omg copycat! :D

    I probably wont get much done until after the Leaving Cert which is about 9 weeks away :o

    Good luck with your build too, measure twice cut once and all that :D


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Just bought a set of OCZ PC2 8000

    4gig kit for 76 euro delivered, thanks for the heads up Chosen ;)

    Heres my progress on the case mod btw:

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    Its tiny :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭DanGerMus


    how're you gonna stick it all together. Welding is expensive with aluminium i think isn't it? Pop Rivets would do it i'd say. the case i have is steel and i have a mate with a mig welder. probably gonna put Alu panels on it though. have you left it long enough for full length gfx?


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    The GFX template is a 9800GX2 and the other template is a Swiftech MCR220 rad with 2 120mm fans... So if it fits a 9800GX2 it should fit anything

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    Im just going to pop rivet it back together, I will use as much as the original panels as I can and get some made, but folded aluminum fabrication is really cheap, like 10 euro for a piece to cover the entire machine


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭KamiKazi


    Looks nice conzy, why not mount the psu flat against the back wall so the psu fan will be where the original case fan was?


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Thats a good idea, Although im not sure if it will fit! Ill check now to see if it would interfere with the CPU Block and stuff...


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Its about 10mm too big :(


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭KamiKazi


    Lose the first expansion slot, its not like you need it anyway


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Thats not where it wont fit, It wont fit between the top of the I/O shield and the edge of the case, and I may need the first expansion slot depending on Motherboard :)

    I'm going to position it as is in that picture, except upside-down, so air from the PSU never enters the system and it always has cool, outside air...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭DanGerMus


    You might actually be better off having the psu fan facing down. Drawing air across the cpu socket and surrounding components would serve to cool it. I wouldnt worry about the air in the case getting too hot for it, it just won't.

    note: the psu draws air in through the large top fan and pushes it out the back. not the other way round.

    Good thinkin with the mock ups by the way. Also what way do you intend placing this pc. lying down like in the pics or up on it's side like normal?


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Seen as I will be watercooling the CPU and there would be very little airflow around the Mosfets / Power Circuitry etc.. So I was gonna put a 80 or 120mm fan above the CPU Block to cool all those components, If the PSU is upside down there wont be turbulence between the fans etc, and I don't think the PSU fan alone would be enough airflow to cool the components...

    I think im going to use it as a small ATX tower, it has a much smaller footprint that way :)

    Also my ram arrived \o/ 64 euro for 4gigs of PC2-8000 ram


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭DanGerMus


    i think the psu would be more tham enough to cool it. It has a 120mm fan in it and being so close to the board would draw it's air from that area. it would do the same job as any extra fan you throw in there accept save you the trouble of fitting one and would serve to keep a db's a little lower.

    Did you get the VAT off the ram. Do you have to claim it back later or did they just deduct before you ordered it?


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Might try it your way first then, its less work :)

    VAT has to be claimed back, they charged the full 76 euro to the Credit Card, Still great Value :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭DanGerMus


    Yeah i checked it out there. God damn ireland. Every other country in the EU can just have it taken at checkout but we need a VAT reciept. Tis a joke.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭Chosen


    conzymaher wrote: »
    Also my ram arrived \o/ 64 euro for 4gigs of PC2-8000 ram

    Their basic €5 delivery option is basically next day delivery. I love this place :D


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Go Go An post!

    They are run by GoBeyond, who also run SHop4Memory.ie based in Kildare of all places!


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    My budget is now reduced a lot slightly because I bought some goodies...

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    Anyway, I may have to scrap watercooling, move the PSU to where the rad was and get some nice Thermalright heatsinks, Seen as the main aim of this project was portability air cooling may be better in the long run...

    So revised spec:

    E8400 with IFX-14 or True
    9800GTX + HR-03 possibley depending on noise
    Abit IP35 Pro (IP45 Pro if its out)
    4gigs OCZ Platinium PC8000
    1TB Samsung HDD
    Corsair HX620
    Plextor Slot load DVD drive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭awhir


    conzymaher wrote: »
    My budget is now reduced a lot slightly because I bought some goodies...

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    what that for ............ ? :)


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Its a Headphone AMP and a USB Soundcard, it sounds incredible > my X-Fi by miles, im using it with Sennheiser HD280s atm :

    HD280-2.jpg

    but my Audio Technica AD700s ^ should be here during the week :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭awhir


    cool would be nice with my sennheisers hd555


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Was thinking of getting the HD555s too but the AD700s are better for music and I have the HD280s for games, the isolation at lans is awesome :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭L31mr0d


    conzymaher wrote: »
    Was thinking of getting the HD555s too but the AD700s are better for music and I have the HD280s for games, the isolation at lans is awesome :)

    yeah, thats the one main drawback of the HD555 cans, I have a pair myself, the sound out of them is simply amazing, but to achieve this they needed to make them open air to stop earcup resonance. But once you make cans like this it means that if sound can get out then sound can get in. It can be irritating wearing these headphones in a noisy room as they aren't sound canceling at all. Still I wouldn't go back to closed air cans, the sound quality is a lot inferior imo.


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    I find closed cans great for gaming, especially at lans the HD280s drown out everything..

    But open cans are definitely better for most music, closed cans tend to have better bass, well not better, but more of it...


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  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Time to get this show back on the road!

    Ordering the rest of my parts this week and bringing my drawings to the fabricator friday

    Final parts list:

    Q6600
    Abit IP35 Pro
    4GB OCZ Platinum 1000mhz
    Sapphire Radeon 4870
    Corsair HX620
    WD Caviar 640GB (Waiting on SSD market to stabilize a little :P )
    Creative X-fi XtremeMusic

    Cooling:

    Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme + Noctua NF-S12-1200
    Akasa Vortexx Neo
    Scythe S-Flex case fans

    Final Design Drawings:

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    I am using my old Lian Li-PC7 Plus as the skeleton, its light and sturdy, the front will be made out of perforated stainless steel like this

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    There will be cathodes and superbright LEDs on the inside shining out through it, and i'm going to make 4 circular feet from a block of perspex and set a superbright LED into each one so they glow underneath the case :) The feet also hold the shell onto the skeleton...

    Still undecided on colour theme, Orange and Green are strong contenders

    The case will be made out of a single piece of folded Stainless Steel, I'm going to try get the stuff thats polished to a mirror finish, If I cant, I will leave it matt or try polish it in the future.

    Here's a rough sketchup of what the case will look like:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    you forgot to list the AKASA cooler :D

    That is blue My friend!

    Blue and Orange?!


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Its blue until i break the LEDs off it :D

    Just ordered \o/

    The Sapphire 4870 was out of stock so I settled for the Club3D version, The Thermalright Ultra Extreme was out of stock too so I got the IFX-14, its a great cooler and beats the TRUE in a lot of cases but it was almost 10 euro more expensive.. There is a 38mm gap between both towers so I got a 1200rpm 120X38mm Scythe S-Flex to go in there :)

    Here it is mounted on the IP35 Pro

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    I have very little room to play with in that corner of the board so if it doesn't fit I will mount it this way:

    Orientation2.jpg

    Got a 122 million and one in one card reader also and i will try integrate that into the build somewhere, I want to try and leave the front panel untouched so I will have to mount it on the back or in the roof maybe :)

    Also Im not using an Optical drive, I rarely use an optical drive so I will just run a SATA and a SATA power to the rear of the case so I can use a burner when needed, I might even be able to use eSATA?

    I bought a 4gig OCZ atv USB stick (38MB/s read) also

    A. Because I need a new USB stick and
    B. to Install Vista very quickly and without the need for an Optical drive

    I am delighted with how little it cost! The HWV order came to 490 euro, I got the Q6600 off ebay for 120 euro, the ram was on offer for around 70 euro and I got the board for "free" off Komplett as a replacement for my discontinued AB9 Pro....

    /me waits impatiently for boxes to arrive :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭DanGerMus


    Looking good man really like the design. Will the cover be fabbed from one piece bent around? You mind me asking how much fab + materials is.


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    It will be made from one piece :)

    I have a feeling the polished stainless steel will be crazy money but the standard stuff should be reasonable enough, anywhere between 30-80 euro i'm guessing because there isn't much work to be done, a handful of easy cuts and 4 easy folds. When I get a quotation I will let you know ;)

    The case looks really big in the drawings buts its actually going to be tiny! Definitely qualifies as Small Form Factor! Here it is beside the stock PC7 PLus which is a pretty small case anyway

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  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Just dropped the plans and the skeleton into the fabricator, He said it will be finished by this evening, He had no mirror finish stainless steel so I went with a textured / brushed finish that looks very like anodized aluminium

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    Will post pics tonight ;)


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  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Didn't get back to him before closing time, collecting it in the morning... He said €15 :o Pretty amazing price tbh


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    Collected the shell this morning and I just lined it up with the skeleton, fits perfectly :)

    Small preview:

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    I have to get aluminium angle bar to strengthen the skeleton and build PSU / HDD mounts and a fan mount, and I need to get perforated sheeting for the front and get it folded..

    I bought some awesome Bulgin Stainless Steel push buttons for Power on and Reset

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    Only 7.50 each delivered from ebay which is great as these can cost as much as 20 euro from electronics shops like Radionics because they are "vandal proof"

    Anywhoo time to start riveting the motherboard tray back in but I can't so much more until I get some angle bar


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    conzymaher wrote: »
    because they are "vandal proof"

    ima haveto prove that ¨D


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    papu wrote: »
    ima haveto prove that ¨D

    Damn country folk! Always breakin ma technology :D


  • Subscribers Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭conzy


    New front panel design

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    I might put a card reader between the two bulgin switches and move the switches for led / fan control to the rear


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