Ronaldo eh?

Ronaldo is a class act. I dont understand why we have to have one of these threads every two weeks. For me, hes the best winger in the world and among the best players in the world. Its too hard to pick a single best player in the worls as everyone is playing in different positions against different oppositions in different teams.

PHB wrote: »

Shh, Ronaldo's ****, every other player is better than him! The English media overrate players, hence Ronaldo must be secretly ****. What do you mean he's scored 30 goals this year and it's only March. Must be a mistake! He's only one one league?

I love when people list players better than him:
It's not that I don't disagree there are some, but let's look at it

By the age of 23, the following players had won:

Zidane - Nothing
Seedorf - 2 CL's, La Liga, 2 Dutch titles
Maldini - Serie A, 2 CLs
Del Piero - 2 Serie As, 1 CL
Shevchenko - Ukranian League 5 Times
Trezeguet - World Cup, EC
Raul - La Liga twice and a CL
Henry - World Cup, EC
Ronaldinho - Brazilian League, Intertoto Cup
Robinho - La Liga
Kaka' - Serie A
Messi - Still only 20, has won the League and the CL [although played no part in the latter campaign due to injury]

Have a look at that list. Trophies don't mean everything by the age of 23 Why? Because Messi has a CL medal, but played no real part in it. People win medals as part of a medal winning squad, that's why Traore has a CL medal before the age of 23.

He's 23 and has already won the premiership, dragging the team along the way, being the best player in one of the top 3 leagues in the world.

He is the first United player to score 30 goals in a season since George Best. That record has stood for 40 years. United have had some pretty impressive players since then.

Age has nothing to do with it...

Who's to say Ronaldo will get better?

For all we know he could have peaked..

Now he's grown to his physical peak, hunger and aggression and pace will decline, age and injury will take their toll, and like other footballers he'll increasing have to rely on guile, experience and brains........Oh dear

mayordenis wrote: »

when the portugese ronaldo bangs in goals against top opposition for the about 3/4 seasons consistently, then he can be bandied about, right now he doesnt compare to kaka or messi anyway when messi was 17 he was giving chelseas deffence the runaround singlehandedly.

Well congratulations, you've really gone and angered them now.

Here's to another car crash, repetitive thread.

Recycle bin ftw

Nailz wrote: »

What? Aussie Rules Football??? Yeah I know...

I fail to see the joke. Can you explain?

I was referring to this -

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=52

DaveMcG wrote: »

Lyon, Arsenal (+ assist)

Thread can be locked now.

I wouldn't call Lyon world beaters. United didn't even play well against Lyon anyway. On that performance they don't look like CL winners elect.

Its Ronaldo's perfornances against top quality opposition. Its as if he goes missing, maybe afraid of the big game?? Pressure off he's brilliant. What game against top class opposition has he dominated? Had a Keane Vs. Juventus/Gerrard Vs. Milan/Gerrard Vs. *******kos/Fabregas Vs. Milan moment??

Any1???

Gerrard Vs. Milan?? Don't you mean Hamann?

Unearthly wrote: »

I can't think of one but there is a fundamental flaw in your post there.

Keane, Fabregas and Gerrard play in positions that allow them to dominate games.

Fair point. But Ronaldo does go missing against big teams. He does dominate against the like of Fulham, Wigan etc. Why not against the big sides?

Liverpool this season for example. He didn't get a touch. Anderson was my MOM that day. Gerrard got very little at all out of him. Anderson didn't do a whole lot but he stood up when it really mattered

Unearthly wrote: »

What big games are these? I don't really watch much of Madrid/Barca/Inter/Portugal

I remember Madrid killing Man Utd a few years ago but he had Zidane pulling the strings in midfield

I recall at least one game around 2001 between Real and Barca where he turned in a superb performance in a 2-0 win against his old club, getting on the scoresheet as well. That's off the top of my head anyway.

And he did win FIFA World Footballer of the Year for 2001/02.

My point is that a wide player can dominate a big game just as much as a central player.

nipplenuts wrote: »

But, PHB, I think even you will agree your statement above is peurile. The current state of English football is shocking when compared with the last 40 years. The sheer lack of class outside of the top four means the leading pack are playing against fodder week in/out so figures are not comparible with the 1970's 1980's and even 1990's.

We can all see the class in Europe of the top four in England, but where are the rest of them in the Uefa Cup, for example. If the EPL is of such a high standard then surely they wouild also ber dominating in the lesser competition too.

First off, players such as Gerrard, Van Nist, Henry, all great players, haven't been able to do this feat. Even in such a 'crap' league.

Just on this specific point, I think its a load of crap. There's a reason the FA Cup is being won this year by somebody not of the top 4. The League cup was won by Spurs.
Liverpool are under serious threat by 2 teams for their top 4 spot.
The league winning tally is likely to be significantly lower.
There is lots and lots and lots of class all over the league, players like Berbatov, Young, Areteta all doing fantastic.

People havn't done great in the UEFA cup, I accept that, although I still expect Spurs to go through. Nonetheless, losing to Florentina in Italy, or PSV in Holland is not a bad result. They are doing well enough in the cups.
But Bolton were able to beat Athletico Madrid.

I don't think that the premiership has gotten worse in quality. What I do think is that there are about 4 top teams, 7-9 very good teams, 4-5 of which are of serious quality and can challenge the top 4 in most games, especially at home. and then the rest are crap.

Also, I think the whole idea that the league used to be better is equally crap. First off, I don't think anyone on this board was around when Best was playing for United So I can't imagine anyone actually can remember and compare. Personally, I think since the 1990s that I started watching, the legue has gotten noticably better.

p.s. Domination is such a silly requirement for Ronaldo. A midfield can dominate a game, wingers don't as much. They can produce some great stuff going forward, but they are much more reliant on others to give them the ball. They don't win the ball back, or dictate tempo. Ronaldo will never have a Keane like game vs. Juventus. He might have a great attackers game, and do some magic, but he's never gona do what Keane did, nor will he ever do what Gerrard did, it's not like he's gona revert to RB and defend amazingly like

Unearthly wrote: »

I agree he doesn't perform in big games and it's disappointing but they do have world class defenders and world class defensive midfielders.

Liverpool for example have Mascherano, he kept Kaka quiet for the CL final till he was subbed(Kaka then went and set up a goal a few mins later)

I'd imagine he'd do the same to Messi

True. Sure didn't Sissoko make a bitch out of Ronaldinho last year!!!

The thing is Arbeloa marked Ronaldo that day. He's not world class as much as i wish he was!