the two Polish guy's that got stabbed

I am as deeply disgusted at this horrific incident as you all are. Having grown up in Drimnagh and know the area in question quite well I am further shocked. I agree with all your comments and whatever punishment these little scum bags get it will be not enough. Its hard to contemplate how someone could do such an evil thing spur of the moment. I know Drimnagh is getting a lot of bad publicity over this and more recent incidents but 90% of the people are genuine decent folk. Its like most areas its the other 10% that give it a bad name. And it doent help when knackers like these are relocated from where they once blighted to be allowed run amok in another community as is the case here.

RIP Polish dudes.

Jackus wrote: »

There is kind of tradition in Poland - sometimes after brutal murders we organize "March Against Violence". (The biggest was after attack on Pope John Paul II)

I saw on polish forums that few people want to do something like this in Dublin - stand together with not only Poles but all nationalities (It's not only polish tragedy) But i don't think is possible because it would cause a traffic chaos....

Rest In Peace!
Spoczywajcie w Pokoju!

That would be worth attending if it was organised. I'd certainly go.

Forget about the traffic, there's marches done for causes a lot less relevant.

mike65 wrote: »

I love the reactions from the locals - "a its a lovely area no trouble round here its terrible that this has happened" etc.

I read a similiar quote in the Herald from a resident a few weeks back when a man in his 60s was run over and killed after trying to stop a guy stealing his sons car in Ladyswell, Blanchardstown. Same old normally a quiet area craic.

People in Fallujah and Somalia wouldnt regard Ladyswell as a quiet peaceful area. Journos are talking out of their holes and making up quotes.

As for cops claiming they are powerless against young offenders, they arent. They simply cant be arsed. Much like teachers, Gardai can be as crap and lazy as they like and will never have to answer to anyone. Id reckon part of it is that they simply dont like having young lads in their care for any period of time, what with the risk of them claiming they were molested or beaten or whatnot.

Question is why was this disturbed 16yrold out on the street at all considering he allegedly has previous convictions for posessing knives and hammers, scandalous.

That sums up whats wrong with the justice and law system.

As an aside lets hope the victim of the clarehall burglary is not prosecuted for defending his home, thats how the law is here, we have to hope that it's on the victims side, flippin disgraceful this country.

here is a link to similar thread on polish forum http://www.gazeta.ie/forum/index.php?showtopic=41697&st=240
I know there is not so many Irish understanding this language but...

Guys have an idea to organise a march against violence. Not Polish March but Irish-Polish March or multinational.
It's not only about attack on Poles! So many Yours - Irish and others is murdered every day!

Polish community have meetings called Thursday Dinners. On the next thursday they will discuss with some deputy from Irish Parliament, people from media (i.e. Herald) etc.

If we arranged this march together then it would be nice step to unity against unacceptable violence.

Forget blaming society for these lowlives-parents are the ones responsible. Sending kids to school hungry and/or without lunch or books. Teachers do their best-the kids are for the most part in small classes and have every chance to do well. They are fed in school and given help with homework but the parents couldn't give a toss. Chemically castrate those who prove themselves unworthy of kids and take those remaining into care so that the kids might have some chance.

sombaht wrote: »

Because its the parents responsibility to be aware of who their kids socialise with. Can be difficult, but not impossible and does not have to "invade" their little darlings privacy.

If you know your kids are hanging out with a bunch of scumbags do you honestly stand idly by and let it happen?

Granted blame can't be laid entirely at the parents feet, but they are responsible fora large part of it

Cheers,
sombaht

Some people are just evil, parents or no parents. Also a lot of the parents were probably as bad when they were younger and some still are. I don't say that the parents are blameless but some kids just turn out bad despite everything the parents try. I remember little sh*ts when I was a kid and they are big sh*ts now.

The Govt announced tough new measures tonight.
From March 1st there will be a 20% levy on screwdrivers.*





*Not intended to be the least bit funny.

Jackus wrote: »

Guys have an idea to organise a march against violence. Not Polish March but Irish-Polish March or multinational.
It's not only about attack on Poles! So many Yours - Irish and others is murdered every day!

If we arranged this march together then it would be nice step to unity against unacceptable violence.

Yeh, this has happened before. Youths if we put a better name on them have committed murder here on Irish people hence it's general scum behaviour
What comes to mind is the Mulhuddart incident recently when a 60yrld man lost his life trying to protect his car.
Same happened in Ballyfermot a few years ago. Lets hope action will wake up society to this menace.
Point being Ireland has a scum menace which preys on native and foreign alike and it needs to be dealt with.

mike65 wrote: »

I love the reactions from the locals - "a its a lovely area no trouble round here its terrible that this has happened" etc. How many of these locals would stand up and be counted I wonder?

Mike.

Yes, stand up and be counted and possibly shot.
Give me your number there Mike, I'll bell you the next time a group of ammoral scumbag teenage lunatics do something equally blood curdling outside my house. You're possibly more likely to turn up than the local guards.

Responding to that and some comments earlier on in the thread about locals standing up, really highlights the complete unworldliness of some of the people responding in this thread.

Yes, I do agree that "evil prospers while good men say nothing" etc. But at the same time, people underestimate how dangerous gangs of scumbag youths can be, just look at the amount of threads that appear in the forums here about people being tormented by groups of teens at night.

Individual teenagers need to be watched.
Teenagers in groups are dangerous.
Scumbags teenagers with no parental direction are beyond dangerous.
And letting out on scumbag teens with gangland daddies is just asking to be shot.

Yes, Drimnagh is getting to be a really good area. It's become populated with young couples with new babies and new families.
However there is still an element of gangland within it, and I strongly suspect that the locals are more afraid of said teens parents and who or what they may be associated with rather than the teen scumbags themselves.
You don’t lick screwdriver in the head type actions off stones.

Live in an area where this stuff goes on, and see whether you would put your own family at risk or try and plead with the guards do their job and actually come out to disband groups of scumbag teens.

Me personally, I believe that these insanely disgusting, evil little s**t bag trolls should be strung up in front of their mammies, and both parents sterilised.

I also believe that if there are any younger siblings within these families that they should be taken away from these so called parents to give them a chance since they had already proved they cannot raise children to recognise the difference between good and evil.

RIP the two Polish men, I only hope that their families can find some sort of peace in the future after such a terrible act of evil.

People here are blaming the parents, and I fully agree to a major extent. However, I know of a couple of brothers living in a town near me. The older guy is a fine regular upstanding citizen, hes a kid and is getting married and is a great father. The younger brother is about 4 years younger, and went completely off the rails when he was about 17/18. Stealing cars, general scumbag behaviour, he was in jail recently for assault and fighting. The parents were fine, not scumbags at all and managed to get the older brother to turn out ok, but the younger one could not be helped. It came down to the group he hung around with. I suppose the parents could have moved him away from the group of friends influencing him when he was 17.

The incident in Dublin is disturbing to say the least. These guys should be lined against the wall and shot, I don't care if they are 16. When I was 16 I damn sure knew the difference between right and wrong. These guys are nothing more then a scab on society. Realistically, I am against the death peantly as an innocent person could be killed. But hard labour, and hard prison time is what is needed. Make these people work off part of their huge debt to society. Scum. Animals.

Another point. I've lived in the US, and while I always found the police professional and courteous when I dealt with them, I saw an aggressive drug addict get arrested outside where I worked my first summer. He was abusive and looking for a fight. The cops were on the scene in 5-10 mins and took him down straight away. They had their guns out, the guy did not make a PEEP. The guards need to be able to tackle scum, and not be afraid of the justice system punishing them for trying to do their job and taking down these scum. Tougher powers, and the guardi willing to use them. A trial of "Broken windows policing" may work. End of the day I would not mess with the cops I met in the US, they may be heavy handed but I felt safer on a night out in Boston then I do in Cork.

The answer is so simple. Everybody agrees, people who do things like this deserve to be locked away, with no comforts, for the rest of their lives. They deserve to spend the rest of their lives in misery and regret for what they did. Why can't this happen? How can you deter anyone from being a scumbag when any fool on the street knows that no matter what you do, the worst that can possibly happen to you is a few years in a glorified boarding school.