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Arlovski will Destroy...

  • 08-02-2008 02:21PM
    #1
    TomPich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭


    Have you seen the shape Jake O'Brien is in? check out 82.ufc.com, he looks out of shape compared to his body in the Herring fight!

    Arlovski will destory him! Hopefully he'll resign with the UFC for a Nog match up. Or if not then its straight to M1 4 the Arlovski Fedor showdown!


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  • #2
    Dragan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    TomPich wrote: »
    Have you seen the shape Jake O'Brien is in? check out 82.ufc.com, he looks out of shape compared to his body in the Herring fight!

    Arlovski will destory him! Hopefully he'll resign with the UFC for a Nog match up. Or if not then its straight to M1 4 the Arlovski Fedor showdown!

    You do realise that it's pretty much a miracle of modern medicine that O'Brien is able to fight at all?

    And people all over the net are giving him **** because he was out of shape at photo time.

    Pathetic.


  • #3
    TomPich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭TomPich


    Dragan wrote: »
    You do realise that it's pretty much a miracle of modern medicine that O'Brien is able to fight at all?

    And people all over the net are giving him **** because he was out of shape at photo time.

    Pathetic.

    I understand that! But why the hell is he fighting out of shape? Let alone against a top 3 UFC heavyweight! He has a death wish and the UFC should be shot 4 putting this match together!


  • #4
    dunkamania
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭dunkamania


    Top 3 UFC heavyweight :rolleyes:

    Anyway there is a thread for MMA/UFC related shennanigans, no need to start a new one


  • #5
    Dragan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    TomPich wrote: »
    I understand that! But why the hell is he fighting out of shape? Let alone against a top 3 UFC heavyweight! He has a death wish and the UFC should be shot 4 putting this match together!

    I take it you have seen Arlovski's last few fights?

    If he's top three then i can submit Dunk.*


    * Note : i can't.


  • #6
    TomPich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭TomPich


    haha. Of course he's top 3???

    If Werdum was promised number one condership after beating Gonzaga then somethings up.??? because Arlovski beat him no? Granted it was a poor performance but he still got the W against Werdum who is top draw!

    The top 3 stands as i see it...

    1. Nog
    2. Sylvia
    3. Arlovski

    With the likes of Werdum, Kongo, Mir, Gonzaga, Cro Cop and Vera making up the others. Of course Arlovski is top 3! maybe not in the UFC's eyes but thats because they want the fighters to bow down to there very command.

    Arlovski is a big draw and if they let him go to M1, we'll be in for the biggest single marketing campaign for an MMA event in History! Fedor Vs Arlovski would be a huge Draw!

    Thats the top 3 as i see it! why do you guys see things differently? And please dont put Werdum or Kongo in No. 3 spot... so who guys? i'd like to hear it!


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  • #7
    Dragan
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    Eeeekkk.....MMath is always enough to make me leave a thread well enough alone.


  • #8
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    TomPich wrote: »
    If Werdum was promised number one condership after beating Gonzaga then somethings up.???

    It appears that the UFC aren't giving him the next title shot now
    TomPich wrote: »
    Arlovski is a big draw and if they let him go to M1, we'll be in for the biggest single marketing campaign for an MMA event in History! Fedor Vs Arlovski would be a huge Draw!

    Not unless M-1 actually put on an event (they said they'd be doing one in early February, obviously not the case) and get a tv deal. There's absolutely no chance of them having a bigger marketing campaign than anything that the UFC has done


  • #9
    TomPich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭TomPich


    Dragan wrote: »
    Eeeekkk.....MMath is always enough to make me leave a thread well enough alone.

    lol i hate to bring MMAmath into it! but it had to be done in this case.

    Can we hear your top 3?


  • #10
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Top 3 doesn't count. Ranks are irrelavant.. All that matters is who holds the belt and right now it's Nog.

    Ranks in MMA are absolutely redundant due to the nature of the sport. A great striker might pick apart a top bjj focused mmatist, but then lose against a wrestler not even in the top 20. Styles can conflict with each other.. That's why ranking is silly.

    Right now there are about 10 heavyweights in the UFC that all could give each other problems.


  • #11
    TomPich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭TomPich


    Fair point.

    Although we are straying from the original argument. Basically i dont understand what O'Brien is doing back so soon and against someone like Arlovski! Its madness!


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  • #12
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,862 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    If Arlovski gets back to his old self then he could beat God.


  • #13
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,859 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    Gintonious wrote: »
    If Arlovski gets back to his old self then he could beat God.


    Someone else already did...: Link


  • #14
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    TomPich wrote: »
    Fair point.

    Although we are straying from the original argument. Basically i dont understand what O'Brien is doing back so soon and against someone like Arlovski! Its madness!

    Well, maybe he needs the money.. And he's a real fighter. He obviously just wants to compete and doesn't care who it is. We need more guys like him.


  • #15
    [Deleted User]
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    Actually i can see O'brien getting a takedown, AA has good but not great takedown defence. the question is whether he just pulls off another Lay and Pray or if AA lands his overhand right.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055100040

    Generally we normally discuss gneral MMA waffle in ehre, its normally when somethin mreal big (Randy leaving UFC etc) that threads get made, keeps the board from gettin clogged up with "i think BJ Penn could beat fedor" type threads.


  • #16
    shantor
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    Dragan wrote: »
    You do realise that it's pretty much a miracle of modern medicine that O'Brien is able to fight at all?

    what happened to him?


  • #17
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    shantor wrote: »
    what happened to him?

    He had a spinal problem and had to have surgery to implant a metal rod in his neck and he had to have discs replaced in his back as well


  • #18
    JohnMc1
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    TomPich wrote: »
    Or if not then its straight to M1 4 the Arlovski Fedor showdown!

    Maybe you should wait until M-1 decides to actually hold an event of their own before jumping on the bandwagon.


  • #19
    shantor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭shantor


    Fozzy wrote: »
    He had a spinal problem and had to have surgery to implant a metal rod in his neck and he had to have discs replaced in his back as well

    cheers.. so not mma related?? Are there many serious injuries in the sport compared to american football, rugby etc?


  • #20
    Fozzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    shantor wrote: »
    cheers.. so not mma related?? Are there many serious injuries in the sport compared to american football, rugby etc?

    Well, it was an injury he'd had after years of wrestling and his MMA training aggravated it, but it didn't come directly as a result of a fight

    It's difficult to compare the injuries I think. Every MMA fighter gets injured at some stage but you're less likely to hear about it because while footballers would miss scheduled games because of injuries, MMA fighters often just don't have fights scheduled if they're injured

    It has got less deaths than football and rugby though


  • #21
    TomPich
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    Arlovski pulled through :) He should now resign for a shot at NOG !


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  • #22
    hypnosisdublin
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    Apparently Arlovski turned down the opportunity to end the fight via guillotine earlier on because he didn't want to cause further damage to O'Brien's neck. Very classy.

    I wish Arlovski the very best in his career - he's always come across as a great guy.


  • #23
    goo
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    He (and we) were just unlucky that the Werdum fight happened before the last on his contract. The UFC should just pay him.


  • #24
    Fozzy
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    hypnosisdublin wrote: »
    Apparently Arlovski turned down the opportunity to end the fight via guillotine earlier on because he didn't want to cause further damage to O'Brien's neck. Very classy.

    But he ended it by punching O'Brien in the head repeatedly (and probably a few on the neck too, there were a lot of punches). Would that really be much safer than a guillotine?


  • #25
    TomPich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭TomPich


    Fozzy wrote: »
    But he ended it by punching O'Brien in the head repeatedly (and probably a few on the neck too, there were a lot of punches). Would that really be much safer than a guillotine?

    I might just add to this. If you watch the fight again, Arlovski was taking it easy on O'Brien. He had the mount and could have rained down punches.

    Instead, he was constantly looking at the ref, as if to say "Are you gona stop this, i could kill him in this spot".

    If you didnt see that i'm not sure what you were watching. Very classy showing from Arlovski. As i said before the fight (and got flamed for it) ! Arlovski is top 3 in the UFC.

    A super fight vs Nog has to be in the works. No one wants to see Nog Sylvia II and no one wants to see Nog Herring IIII. That leaves the big man Andrei to take the fore and get his belt back.

    Arlovski is a far better striker than Nog, if he avoids being taken down then i can only see a win for him here. Its a 5 round fight which gives him plenty of time to find his range. I know his sylvia III fight was a 5 rounder, but he was fresh from being KO'd so was being very careful.

    He is now 3-0 in his last 3 fights. Arlovski Nog is where its gona be people. Mark my words ! :)


  • #26
    Dragan
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    I find it highly unlikely that Arlovski's next fight will be for the belt myself. As far as i am aware he and Dana are on fantastic terms but the doesn't mean he'll go from fighting Jake O Brien on the undercard to fighting Nog for the belt, win or no.

    Personally i wouldn't like to see it happen now anyway. I don't see Arlovski beating Nog right now.


  • #27
    TomPich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭TomPich


    Dragan wrote: »
    I find it highly unlikely that Arlovski's next fight will be for the belt myself. As far as i am aware he and Dana are on fantastic terms but the doesn't mean he'll go from fighting Jake O Brien on the undercard to fighting Nog for the belt, win or no.

    Personally i wouldn't like to see it happen now anyway. I don't see Arlovski beating Nog right now.

    I'm sorry to say it, but thats the way the UFC works. Look at Anderson Silva, he went from beating Leben on a UFN card directly to fighting for the title.

    The only reason Arlovski was on the undercard was because it was his last fight on his current contract. So the UFC didnt want to give him PPV exposure to up his value to their competitors. Furthermore they didnt even give him a post fight interview slot.

    Along the same lines, Rampage came in and fought Eastman, then went straight to a headline fight with Liddell. Its just the way the UFC does business. Arlovski got over $150,000 for fighting O'Brien, more than most on the PPV card. So the UFC understand his worth, they just didnt want it to rise.

    As for Arlovski not being ready, he is 29 year old, 3-0 in his last 3 fights and has to be up there for a shot.

    Sylvia and Herring have been ruled out. Werdum shouldnt be ahead of Andrei, Vera lost his last fight, Cro Cop is gone, Mir isnt anywhere near ready.

    So i'm afraid it has to be Arlovski. And for someone to say they dont want to see a Nog Arlovski fight is crazy. Why the hell not. Would be an awesome fight. Can't wait if the UFC resign him !


  • #28
    Dragan
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    TomPich wrote: »
    Sylvia and Herring have been ruled out. Werdum shouldnt be ahead of Andrei, Vera lost his last fight, Cro Cop is gone, Mir isnt anywhere near ready.

    I don't think either Sylvia or Herring have been ruled out. It's not like Nog walked over Tim at all, and Herring nearly put him away and recently kneeded Cheick back to Paris.

    Both could make a strong argument to deserving a shot. At the end of the day, Nog couldn't put Herring away....who knows what might have happened if that fight was a 5 rounder?


  • #29
    [Deleted User]
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    Dragan wrote: »
    I don't think either Sylvia or Herring have been ruled out. It's not like Nog walked over Tim at all, and Herring nearly put him away and recently kneeded Cheick back to Paris.

    Both could make a strong argument to deserving a shot. At the end of the day, Nog couldn't put Herring away....who knows what might have happened if that fight was a 5 rounder?

    Nog is 3-0 against Herring tho. ANOTHEr rematch so soon after their third match? i dunno about that.


    Maybe one more win for Herring. I think Mir should be next.


  • #30
    TomPich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭TomPich


    Dragan wrote: »
    I don't think either Sylvia or Herring have been ruled out. It's not like Nog walked over Tim at all, and Herring nearly put him away and recently kneeded Cheick back to Paris.

    Both could make a strong argument to deserving a shot. At the end of the day, Nog couldn't put Herring away....who knows what might have happened if that fight was a 5 rounder?

    Heath is 2-2 in the UFC with a loss over Jake O'Brien, furthermore i don't think the UFC would even bother trying to sell Herring Nogueria 4 at the moment. They have met 3 times in the past, Nog winning all 3, why watch them go at it again? The UFC wont be giving Heath a shot anytime soon.

    As for Sylvia, yes, he kept Nog standing for 2 round and whilst they were standing he was doing well and winning the fight. However Sylvia entered Nogueria's world for all of a few minutes and got subbed. Again, i don't think the UFC would bother trying to market Sylvia Nogueria II at the moment. They only ment back in Feb at 81 ! Everything points in the direction of Arlovski.

    HOWEVER...

    If the contract talks go on for some time with Andrei and Werdum beats Vera, then it'll probably be Werdum Nog for the next heavyweight title fight.


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  • #31
    hypnosisdublin
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    If Arlovski got his mental game together, he could be UFC champ again. After the Sylvia fights, he seems to be very cautious and scared of getting knocked out.

    If he got his confidence back and perfected the Liddell-style sprawl and brawl style, he could make his opponents fight his type of fight. Then there would be no-one in the UFC he couldn't beat.


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