Arlovski will Destroy...

TomPich

Have you seen the shape Jake O'Brien is in? check out 82.ufc.com, he looks out of shape compared to his body in the Herring fight!

Arlovski will destory him! Hopefully he'll resign with the UFC for a Nog match up. Or if not then its straight to M1 4 the Arlovski Fedor showdown!

Dragan

TomPich wrote: »

Have you seen the shape Jake O'Brien is in? check out 82.ufc.com, he looks out of shape compared to his body in the Herring fight!

Arlovski will destory him! Hopefully he'll resign with the UFC for a Nog match up. Or if not then its straight to M1 4 the Arlovski Fedor showdown!

You do realise that it's pretty much a miracle of modern medicine that O'Brien is able to fight at all?

And people all over the net are giving him **** because he was out of shape at photo time.

Pathetic.

TomPich

Dragan wrote: »

You do realise that it's pretty much a miracle of modern medicine that O'Brien is able to fight at all?

And people all over the net are giving him **** because he was out of shape at photo time.

Pathetic.

I understand that! But why the hell is he fighting out of shape? Let alone against a top 3 UFC heavyweight! He has a death wish and the UFC should be shot 4 putting this match together!

dunkamania

Top 3 UFC heavyweight :rolleyes:

Anyway there is a thread for MMA/UFC related shennanigans, no need to start a new one

Dragan

TomPich wrote: »

I understand that! But why the hell is he fighting out of shape? Let alone against a top 3 UFC heavyweight! He has a death wish and the UFC should be shot 4 putting this match together!

I take it you have seen Arlovski's last few fights?

If he's top three then i can submit Dunk.*


* Note : i can't.

TomPich

haha. Of course he's top 3???

If Werdum was promised number one condership after beating Gonzaga then somethings up.??? because Arlovski beat him no? Granted it was a poor performance but he still got the W against Werdum who is top draw!

The top 3 stands as i see it...

1. Nog
2. Sylvia
3. Arlovski

With the likes of Werdum, Kongo, Mir, Gonzaga, Cro Cop and Vera making up the others. Of course Arlovski is top 3! maybe not in the UFC's eyes but thats because they want the fighters to bow down to there very command.

Arlovski is a big draw and if they let him go to M1, we'll be in for the biggest single marketing campaign for an MMA event in History! Fedor Vs Arlovski would be a huge Draw!

Thats the top 3 as i see it! why do you guys see things differently? And please dont put Werdum or Kongo in No. 3 spot... so who guys? i'd like to hear it!

Dragan

Eeeekkk.....MMath is always enough to make me leave a thread well enough alone.

Fozzy

TomPich wrote: »

If Werdum was promised number one condership after beating Gonzaga then somethings up.???

It appears that the UFC aren't giving him the next title shot now

TomPich wrote: »

Arlovski is a big draw and if they let him go to M1, we'll be in for the biggest single marketing campaign for an MMA event in History! Fedor Vs Arlovski would be a huge Draw!

Not unless M-1 actually put on an event (they said they'd be doing one in early February, obviously not the case) and get a tv deal. There's absolutely no chance of them having a bigger marketing campaign than anything that the UFC has done

TomPich

Dragan wrote: »

Eeeekkk.....MMath is always enough to make me leave a thread well enough alone.

lol i hate to bring MMAmath into it! but it had to be done in this case.

Can we hear your top 3?

dlofnep

Top 3 doesn't count. Ranks are irrelavant.. All that matters is who holds the belt and right now it's Nog.

Ranks in MMA are absolutely redundant due to the nature of the sport. A great striker might pick apart a top bjj focused mmatist, but then lose against a wrestler not even in the top 20. Styles can conflict with each other.. That's why ranking is silly.

Right now there are about 10 heavyweights in the UFC that all could give each other problems.

TomPich

Fair point.

Although we are straying from the original argument. Basically i dont understand what O'Brien is doing back so soon and against someone like Arlovski! Its madness!

Frank Bullitt

If Arlovski gets back to his old self then he could beat God.

Mark Hamill

Gintonious wrote: »

If Arlovski gets back to his old self then he could beat God.

Someone else already did...: Link

dlofnep

TomPich wrote: »

Fair point.

Although we are straying from the original argument. Basically i dont understand what O'Brien is doing back so soon and against someone like Arlovski! Its madness!

Well, maybe he needs the money.. And he's a real fighter. He obviously just wants to compete and doesn't care who it is. We need more guys like him.

Actually i can see O'brien getting a takedown, AA has good but not great takedown defence. the question is whether he just pulls off another Lay and Pray or if AA lands his overhand right.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055100040

Generally we normally discuss gneral MMA waffle in ehre, its normally when somethin mreal big (Randy leaving UFC etc) that threads get made, keeps the board from gettin clogged up with "i think BJ Penn could beat fedor" type threads.

shantor

Dragan wrote: »

You do realise that it's pretty much a miracle of modern medicine that O'Brien is able to fight at all?

what happened to him?

Fozzy

shantor wrote: »

what happened to him?

He had a spinal problem and had to have surgery to implant a metal rod in his neck and he had to have discs replaced in his back as well

JohnMc1

TomPich wrote: »

Or if not then its straight to M1 4 the Arlovski Fedor showdown!

Maybe you should wait until M-1 decides to actually hold an event of their own before jumping on the bandwagon.

shantor

Fozzy wrote: »

He had a spinal problem and had to have surgery to implant a metal rod in his neck and he had to have discs replaced in his back as well

cheers.. so not mma related?? Are there many serious injuries in the sport compared to american football, rugby etc?

Fozzy

shantor wrote: »

cheers.. so not mma related?? Are there many serious injuries in the sport compared to american football, rugby etc?

Well, it was an injury he'd had after years of wrestling and his MMA training aggravated it, but it didn't come directly as a result of a fight

It's difficult to compare the injuries I think. Every MMA fighter gets injured at some stage but you're less likely to hear about it because while footballers would miss scheduled games because of injuries, MMA fighters often just don't have fights scheduled if they're injured

It has got less deaths than football and rugby though

TomPich

Arlovski pulled through He should now resign for a shot at NOG !

hypnosisdublin

Apparently Arlovski turned down the opportunity to end the fight via guillotine earlier on because he didn't want to cause further damage to O'Brien's neck. Very classy.

I wish Arlovski the very best in his career - he's always come across as a great guy.

goo

He (and we) were just unlucky that the Werdum fight happened before the last on his contract. The UFC should just pay him.

Fozzy

hypnosisdublin wrote: »

Apparently Arlovski turned down the opportunity to end the fight via guillotine earlier on because he didn't want to cause further damage to O'Brien's neck. Very classy.

But he ended it by punching O'Brien in the head repeatedly (and probably a few on the neck too, there were a lot of punches). Would that really be much safer than a guillotine?

TomPich

Fozzy wrote: »

But he ended it by punching O'Brien in the head repeatedly (and probably a few on the neck too, there were a lot of punches). Would that really be much safer than a guillotine?

I might just add to this. If you watch the fight again, Arlovski was taking it easy on O'Brien. He had the mount and could have rained down punches.

Instead, he was constantly looking at the ref, as if to say "Are you gona stop this, i could kill him in this spot".

If you didnt see that i'm not sure what you were watching. Very classy showing from Arlovski. As i said before the fight (and got flamed for it) ! Arlovski is top 3 in the UFC.

A super fight vs Nog has to be in the works. No one wants to see Nog Sylvia II and no one wants to see Nog Herring IIII. That leaves the big man Andrei to take the fore and get his belt back.

Arlovski is a far better striker than Nog, if he avoids being taken down then i can only see a win for him here. Its a 5 round fight which gives him plenty of time to find his range. I know his sylvia III fight was a 5 rounder, but he was fresh from being KO'd so was being very careful.

He is now 3-0 in his last 3 fights. Arlovski Nog is where its gona be people. Mark my words !

Dragan

I find it highly unlikely that Arlovski's next fight will be for the belt myself. As far as i am aware he and Dana are on fantastic terms but the doesn't mean he'll go from fighting Jake O Brien on the undercard to fighting Nog for the belt, win or no.

Personally i wouldn't like to see it happen now anyway. I don't see Arlovski beating Nog right now.

TomPich

Dragan wrote: »

I find it highly unlikely that Arlovski's next fight will be for the belt myself. As far as i am aware he and Dana are on fantastic terms but the doesn't mean he'll go from fighting Jake O Brien on the undercard to fighting Nog for the belt, win or no.

Personally i wouldn't like to see it happen now anyway. I don't see Arlovski beating Nog right now.

I'm sorry to say it, but thats the way the UFC works. Look at Anderson Silva, he went from beating Leben on a UFN card directly to fighting for the title.

The only reason Arlovski was on the undercard was because it was his last fight on his current contract. So the UFC didnt want to give him PPV exposure to up his value to their competitors. Furthermore they didnt even give him a post fight interview slot.

Along the same lines, Rampage came in and fought Eastman, then went straight to a headline fight with Liddell. Its just the way the UFC does business. Arlovski got over $150,000 for fighting O'Brien, more than most on the PPV card. So the UFC understand his worth, they just didnt want it to rise.

As for Arlovski not being ready, he is 29 year old, 3-0 in his last 3 fights and has to be up there for a shot.

Sylvia and Herring have been ruled out. Werdum shouldnt be ahead of Andrei, Vera lost his last fight, Cro Cop is gone, Mir isnt anywhere near ready.

So i'm afraid it has to be Arlovski. And for someone to say they dont want to see a Nog Arlovski fight is crazy. Why the hell not. Would be an awesome fight. Can't wait if the UFC resign him !

Dragan

TomPich wrote: »

Sylvia and Herring have been ruled out. Werdum shouldnt be ahead of Andrei, Vera lost his last fight, Cro Cop is gone, Mir isnt anywhere near ready.

I don't think either Sylvia or Herring have been ruled out. It's not like Nog walked over Tim at all, and Herring nearly put him away and recently kneeded Cheick back to Paris.

Both could make a strong argument to deserving a shot. At the end of the day, Nog couldn't put Herring away....who knows what might have happened if that fight was a 5 rounder?

Dragan

Dragan wrote: »

I don't think either Sylvia or Herring have been ruled out. It's not like Nog walked over Tim at all, and Herring nearly put him away and recently kneeded Cheick back to Paris.

Both could make a strong argument to deserving a shot. At the end of the day, Nog couldn't put Herring away....who knows what might have happened if that fight was a 5 rounder?

Nog is 3-0 against Herring tho. ANOTHEr rematch so soon after their third match? i dunno about that.


Maybe one more win for Herring. I think Mir should be next.

TomPich

Dragan wrote: »

I don't think either Sylvia or Herring have been ruled out. It's not like Nog walked over Tim at all, and Herring nearly put him away and recently kneeded Cheick back to Paris.

Both could make a strong argument to deserving a shot. At the end of the day, Nog couldn't put Herring away....who knows what might have happened if that fight was a 5 rounder?

Heath is 2-2 in the UFC with a loss over Jake O'Brien, furthermore i don't think the UFC would even bother trying to sell Herring Nogueria 4 at the moment. They have met 3 times in the past, Nog winning all 3, why watch them go at it again? The UFC wont be giving Heath a shot anytime soon.

As for Sylvia, yes, he kept Nog standing for 2 round and whilst they were standing he was doing well and winning the fight. However Sylvia entered Nogueria's world for all of a few minutes and got subbed. Again, i don't think the UFC would bother trying to market Sylvia Nogueria II at the moment. They only ment back in Feb at 81 ! Everything points in the direction of Arlovski.

HOWEVER...

If the contract talks go on for some time with Andrei and Werdum beats Vera, then it'll probably be Werdum Nog for the next heavyweight title fight.

hypnosisdublin

If Arlovski got his mental game together, he could be UFC champ again. After the Sylvia fights, he seems to be very cautious and scared of getting knocked out.

If he got his confidence back and perfected the Liddell-style sprawl and brawl style, he could make his opponents fight his type of fight. Then there would be no-one in the UFC he couldn't beat.

Charlie3dan

For anyone who may not have seen this:

http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/Dana-White:-Im-Trying-To-Fix-My-Problem-With-Arlovski.html

You have to take everything that Dana says with a pinch of salt (as with anyone in the public eye) but I like the guy

sheldonparkgym

While I hate the way he talks crap about Fedor, I've always had a lot of time for Dana White. The comment about Tito was funny!

Fozzy

Why are they putting Andrei on the undercard then if it's not because he might leave?

Judomad

Fozzy wrote: »

Why are they putting Andrei on the undercard then if it's not because he might leave?

i agree with the quote below....as if Andrei was on a PPV more orgs would want him especially if he put in a huge performance therefore it was smart to keep him on an undercard to keep his contractual value down, well thats my opinion, but my opinions often get slated on here :D

TomPich wrote: »

The only reason Arlovski was on the undercard was because it was his last fight on his current contract. So the UFC didnt want to give him PPV exposure to up his value to their competitors. Furthermore they didnt even give him a post fight interview slot.

Fozzy

Judomad wrote: »

i agree with the quote below....as if Andrei was on a PPV more orgs would want him especially if he put in a huge performance therefore it was smart to keep him on an undercard to keep his contractual value down, well thats my opinion, but my opinions often get slated on here :D

That's exactly what I thought before, but in the link above Dana says that's not the reason. I'm sure it still is, but I'm just wondering what other possible explanation there is

Dragan

It's because out of his last fights he has turned in some real boring ones and thats about it.

Also, Chuck recently said he would be happy to move up and fight Nog.

Interesting.

TomPich

Dragan wrote: »

It's because out of his last fights he has turned in some real boring ones and thats about it.

Also, Chuck recently said he would be happy to move up and fight Nog.

Interesting.

Chuck wont be going anywhere this year. He'll be looking to take the belt back and then avenge his loss to Jardine ! As he's stated numerous times.

He has also expressed an interest in fighting Fedor.

M1 hasnt done anything with Fedor so it looks like he could be leaving and has said that he'd talk with the UFC ! Let's hope Dana gets it right this time.

filament

TomPich wrote: »

Chuck wont be going anywhere this year. He'll be looking to take the belt back and then avenge his loss to Jardine ! As he's stated numerous times.

He has also expressed an interest in fighting Fedor.

M1 hasnt done anything with Fedor so it looks like he could be leaving and has said that he'd talk with the UFC ! Let's hope Dana gets it right this time.

rock and a hard place. dana now has to re-entyce fedor back after pissing him and his team off before and even if he manages to do that he has randy publicly stating that he's no longer ufc champio and signing a contract with HDNet fights <with no fixed start date.> Im not sure it's possible for zuffa to pull it off anymore and given their track record of dropping the business ball when it counts... no chance

Dragan

TomPich wrote: »

Chuck wont be going anywhere this year. He'll be looking to take the belt back and then avenge his loss to Jardine ! As he's stated numerous times.

I'm not so sure. I can't see Jardine and Chuck fighting again too soon. Chuck has to fight Evans and i can see him winning.

Jardine will fight Wandy and i can see him taking that one home to be honest. Scary , i know.

After that Chuck is left sitting around scratching himself until Page and Griffin is done and the following 3 months for injuries to heal up, fight prep etc before either of them can defend.

I can see the fight with Nog happening, especially in the murky waters of current no.1 contendership at heavyweight.

I'd love to see it myself.

TomPich

Dragan wrote: »

I'm not so sure. I can't see Jardine and Chuck fighting again too soon. Chuck has to fight Evans and i can see him winning.

Jardine will fight Wandy and i can see him taking that one home to be honest. Scary , i know.

After that Chuck is left sitting around scratching himself until Page and Griffin is done and the following 3 months for injuries to heal up, fight prep etc before either of them can defend.

I can see the fight with Nog happening, especially in the murky waters of current no.1 contendership at heavyweight.

I'd love to see it myself.

lol Shame your Jardine prediction didnt surface.

Well as i predicted back then, Liddell is going no where. Hes fighting evans in August. Wandy is back in the mix while we have to wait on griffin and Page.

UFC's Heavyweight division is in tatters. They have about 3 of the top 10 fighters in the world. The fighters in the top 10 they do have are Nog, Werdum and maybe Gonzaga. However the likes of Fedor, Couture, Arlovski, Barnett, Cro Cop and even Sylvia are long gone. Sort it out UFC

Dragan

TomPich wrote: »

lol Shame your Jardine prediction didnt surface.

LoL, tell me about it! I thought the combo of what Jardine is good at and Greg Jackson in the corner would do wonders. Wandy swamped him and put him away...it was awesome to see!

Dragan

Dragan wrote: »

LoL, tell me about it! I thought the combo of what Jardine is good at and Greg Jackson in the corner would do wonders. Wandy swamped him and put him away...it was awesome to see!

Boo-urns on the told ya so bump!!


Its funny though how quickly fighters stocks can change and looking back u can never see how u figured one guy had a chance in the first place!

Dragan

Deleted User wrote: »

Boo-urns on the told ya so bump!!


Its funny though how quickly fighters stocks can change and looking back u can never see how u figured one guy had a chance in the first place!

Internets. Serious business.

And don't forget that correctly prediciting a fight is something to brag about, whilst incorrectly doing so is a reason to be run out of town!

Personally i still Jardine is a prospect. He just needs to not let people inside or use the rape choke on him.

Dragan

Dragan wrote: »

Internets. Serious business.

And don't forget that correctly prediciting a fight is something to brag about, whilst incorrectly doing so is a reason to be run out of town!

Personally i still Jardine is a prospect. He just needs to not let people inside or use the rape choke on him.

Yea i know man, e-personalities are all the rage ya know!


Absolutely, I suppose if u ALWAYS pick the underdogs then u get the occasional "I was SO right, Im a genius" moment!

Hmmm, I think he;s too hot and cold for his own good is Mr Dean Sardine. I mean in his last 4 fights now he's been brutralised in devastating fashion twice and beaten championship contenders twice.....

I think he struggles when people are in his face agressive. Forrest stood off him and then got into a sloppy brawl with him but unlike Houston Alexander and Wandy he doesnt have the power to make him pay. Chuck raped him in the first round moving forward and then just backed away (cos of his leg/ribs getting butchered Id imagine) for 2 rounds to throw the fight away.


For me, he needs a RUN of wins, to prove that he's not just a guy who occasionally turns up.