Should pubs ,shops be allowed to sell drink to pregnant women?

egan007 · 05-02-2008 02:32PM

gamer wrote: »

I was listening to rte 1 today, it says in the us ,its against the law to sell beer or spirits to pregnant women .I think the law should be the same here ,as its been proven that even a few pints can harm the health of a baby or cause children to be born with a disability ,or brain abnormalitys.
WHY should women be allowed to harm their children?DO most women even know how serious the risk is of drinking during pregnancy.Should pregnant women be allowed to buy cigarettes?

WHY should women be allowed to harm their children?

Unfortunately we live in a 'free' society, I could argue that letting children think the XFactor is good music is harming them.

It's not ideal but a good society should educate and allow people to make informed decisions rather than forcing opinion into law.

jam_mac_jam · 05-02-2008 02:32PM

how exactly are you going to police this, for many women you cant tell if they are pregnant untill about hte fifth month, In some cases you cant be sure if somebody is overweight or pregnant. I have had this problem with wondering if I should give up my seat on trains and being a bit worried i would get it wrong. So how in the name of god is this going to be policed? all women carry a card saying if we are pregnant or not.

Is this a joke?

Reku · 05-02-2008 02:33PM

Thaedydal wrote: »

Are you saying pregnancy is a sexually transmitted disease ?

I do remember one boardsie having a signature to that effect that I found rather astute and amusing, it was something along the lines of:
"Life is a STD, what's worse it's terminal."

Perhaps someone can either better remember the signature, or even was the person with it, and can correct me if I've made a horrendous misquote of it.

Shiminay · 05-02-2008 02:43PM

You shouldn't stop selling beer and ciggs to pregnant women, you should stop stupid women getting pregnant.

Also, there are reports that a lot of pregnant women (particular in the teenager category) start smoking to have smaller babies so the birth will be easier and they won't have their body shape changed as much. Proves my first point - stop retards having kids.

moco · 05-02-2008 02:54PM

RosieJoe wrote: »

Sense at last! What gives people the right to dictate how others should live? In the last while we have had this thread and a thread on banning people smoking in cars with kids. At the end of the day it is up to the parent/expectant mother to make a choice not someone else!

Remember the fiasco they had in trying to stop kids being brought to the pub, wasn't that a resounding failure!

I agree, it should be up to the woman whether she drinks or not. Any responsible woman won't, or won't drink a harmful amount and the ones who would go out and get wasted while pregnant would get alcohol one way or another anyway.

Kernel32 · 05-02-2008 02:54PM

The Queen wrote: »

How is this law enforced in the States? What about a woman who is just a few weeks pregnant? Do they make all women take pregnancy tests?! At this stage, it's just an embryo, has not yet become a foetus? Quite a delicate stage I would believe.

I am pretty sure no such law exists, at least at a federal or state level. In fact I am pretty sure most bars would be open for a lawsuit for refusing on those grounds. It's possible that some little backwoods town has some local laws allowing refusal on those grounds now which would allow a bar person to make a choice but those type of things get squashed at the state level pretty quickly. It seems like people will believe anything about America.

Keep in mind this is different to a woman being charged with child abuse due to her child being born with fetal alcohol syndrome. This is very possible and probably a good idea as it shows that she may not be capable to caring for the child.

moco · 05-02-2008 02:56PM

Kernel32 wrote: »

I am pretty sure no such law exists, at least at a federal or state level. In fact I am pretty sure most bars would be open for a lawsuit for refusing on those grounds. It's possible that some little backwoods town has some local laws allowing refusal on those grounds now which would allow a bar person to make a choice but those type of things get squashed at the state level pretty quickly. It seems like people will believe anything about America.

Keep in mind this is different to a woman being charged with child abuse due to her child being born with fetal alcohol syndrome. This is very possible and probably a good idea as it shows that she may not be capable to caring for the child.

I would agree with this idea.

biko · 05-02-2008 03:00PM

I'm not surprised that the US bans this. The land of the free is turning more and more into the Soviet Union by the day. Government control all.
Here, in the land of the free-ish it should still be allowed. Banning is the lazy mans option whereas education would be better in my opinion.
At the end of the day it's a personal choice. Parents can still feed their kids crappy junk food 24x7x365, should we ban that next?

Slow Motion · 05-02-2008 03:02PM

biko wrote: »

I'm not surprised that the US bans this. The land of the free is turning more and more into the Soviet Union by the day. Government control all.
Here, in the land of the free-ish it should still be allowed. Banning is the lazy mans option whereas education would be better in my opinion.
At the end of the day it's a personal choice. Parents can still feed their kids crappy junk food 24x7x365, should we ban that next?

As a representative of lazy men I disagree with your statment!

faceman · 05-02-2008 03:08PM

While i agree people have to make their own decisions, the rights of someone not in a position to make their own decisions needs to be protected.

Id be for this ban.

*heads to pub to discuss topic with friends*

Overheal · 05-02-2008 03:16PM

I'm for it. My jaw drops when I'm in the room with a preggers teen and she's puffing one away every twenty minutes.

Terry · 05-02-2008 03:22PM

This whole idea is ridiculously laughable.

The Hill Billy · 05-02-2008 03:41PM

gamer wrote: »

I was listening to rte 1 today, it says in the us ,its against the law to sell beer or spirits to pregnant women .I think the law should be the same here ,as its been proven that even a few pints can harm the health of a baby or cause children to be born with a disability ,or brain abnormalitys.
WHY should women be allowed to harm their children?DO most women even know how serious the risk is of drinking during pregnancy.Should pregnant women be allowed to buy cigarettes?

I saw a thread to day on boards.ie & think that all Progressive Democrat voters & pro-nanny-state posters should be site-banned for the good of my mental health.

RosieJoe · 05-02-2008 03:49PM

Can you imagine the scene!

Barman to customer, sorry but I believe that you may be pregnant ( Cue beating from woman!). Could you pee into this container so that I can carry out a pregnancy test to see if I am permitted to serve you or not!

Slow Motion · 05-02-2008 03:52PM

RosieJoe wrote: »

Can you imagine the scene!

Barman to customer, sorry but I believe that you may be pregnant ( Cue beating from woman!). Could you pee into this container so that I can carry out a pregnancy test to see if I am permitted to serve you or not!

......Hands glass of yellow piss over to barman!

Other customer "Burman, burman, Pint of Bud please!"

"Yes sir, here you go!"

Ross_Mahon · 05-02-2008 03:53PM

I dont like the idea of pregnant women taking anything that is a danger to their health, they shouldn't eat bad food either. It has to effect the baby in someway.

Slow Motion · 05-02-2008 03:57PM

Ross_Mahon wrote: »

I dont like the idea of pregnant women taking anything that is a danger to their health, they shouldn't eat bad food either. It has to effect the baby in someway.

Fortunately, what you like or don't like is irrelavant! We are talking here about all this nanny state bull****! Let people make their own choices and live with the consequences, freedom of choice, freedom to be idiots!

Ross_Mahon · 05-02-2008 04:03PM

Slow Motion wrote: »

Fortunately, what you like or don't like is irrelavant! We are talking here about all this nanny state bull****! Let people make their own choices and live with the consequences, freedom of choice, freedom to be idiots!

I like the way you think...:cool:

The Hill Billy · 05-02-2008 04:22PM

Ross_Mahon wrote: »

I like the way you think...:cool:

And while we're at it let's incarcerate all fertile single women until they get married so we don't have to fork out for Single Parents' Allowance too.

Don't sell lollipops to kids with teeth because they cause cavities.

Ban rivers because people use them to drown themselves.

:cool: indeed.

meglome · 05-02-2008 04:42PM

Someone very close to our family was pregnant recently. She smoked all the way through and on a number of occasions I saw her drunk... really pissed me off to be honest. I'm not for a nanny state but I would be strongly tempted to push a ban.

At the end of the day if these children have disabilities or behavioural problems it's us as a society that will have to deal with it, not just their parents.

RosieJoe · 05-02-2008 05:06PM

meglome wrote: »

Someone very close to our family was pregnant recently. She smoked all the way through and on a number of occasions I saw her drunk... really pissed me off to be honest. I'm not for a nanny state but I would be strongly tempted to push a ban.

At the end of the day if these children have disabilities or behavioural problems it's us as a society that will have to deal with it, not just their parents.

Did you bother saying anything to her? If not, why not?

Earthhorse · 05-02-2008 05:38PM

RosieJoe wrote: »

Did you bother saying anything to her? If not, why not?

I'm sure someone like that would be all hears when it came to taking friendly advice on their health. meglome's comments would have been welcomed with open arms and reason and logic would win the day.

RosieJoe · 05-02-2008 05:42PM

But she was really pissed off about it! Not enough to say anything though!

Nearly as good as not being one for a nanny state but would go for the ban!

I'll step off my soap box now

humberklog · 05-02-2008 05:47PM

I think they should have their own specially designated pubs. They clog up the q for the toilets and block up seating access. They fart a lot too....moan on a lot too. Duff bars now!

Earthhorse · 05-02-2008 05:47PM

RosieJoe wrote: »

But she was really pissed off about it! Not enough to say anything though!

Nearly as good as not being one for a nanny state but would go for the ban!

There are plenty things we get pissed off about in life but hold our tongue on. We're more likely to hold our tongue where we know it will have little or no effect and probably result in us receiving a tongue lashing of our own.

And "nanny state" is one of those phrases that is so overused as to be meaningless; if the government so much as look at us funny it's the "nanny state" trying to lay a rules trip on us. Man.

TequilaMockingBird · 05-02-2008 06:05PM

A poll here would be interesting.

Who is a parent and who isn't.
Who has a womb and who hasn't.
Who agrees and who dosn't.

I say this because I don't trust myself to post a rational response. A poll would give me time to cool down.

meglome · 05-02-2008 06:16PM

RosieJoe wrote: »

Did you bother saying anything to her? If not, why not?

Listen I'm not the boss of her and she isn't breaking any law either. That said...I did say it and she didn't particularly care. I also said it to her boyfriend (won't go into the family connection) but he couldn't/wouldn't stop her.

meglome · 05-02-2008 06:18PM

RosieJoe wrote: »

But she was really pissed off about it! Not enough to say anything though!

Nearly as good as not being one for a nanny state but would go for the ban!

I'll step off my soap box now

Maybe you should ask what I did instead of telling me. Just making a suggestion... which was as much as I could do in the situation above.

Oh and HE was pissed off. Note manly picture on the left

RosieJoe · 05-02-2008 06:20PM

meglome wrote: »

Listen I'm not the boss of her and she isn't breaking any law either. That said...I did say it and she didn't particularly care. I also said it to her boyfriend (won't go into the family connection) but he couldn't/wouldn't stop her.

Fair play to you. And I mean that! It is nice to see someone taking a stand when they feel the need to.

One thing saying that you would like to see something done, it is another thing all together putting it into practice.

Edit: Sorry for the gender mix up! Just saw your last post!

Slow Motion · 05-02-2008 07:20PM

sueme wrote: »

A poll here would be interesting.

Who is a parent and who isn't.
Who has a womb and who hasn't.
Who agrees and who dosn't.

I say this because I don't trust myself to post a rational response. A poll would give me time to cool down.

I don't know about a rational response, what about a rational post? I am not a parent, I do not have a womb! Do I not have the right to have an opinion?

Should pubs ,shops be allowed to sell drink to pregnant women?

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