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Dragan · 24-01-2008 05:01PM

Reyman wrote: »

I'm inclined to think of 'Dragan' who in his day was like a young 'rhinoceros' and the terror of everyone here - he is now a 'measured assured diplomat' . So let us not fear - most of these guys will move on to being ' elder statesmen' given time

Ah those were the days! Not so sure i'd call myself a diplomat..... i think after a while it almost becomes more fun to lead and argument that start one.

maradona10 · 24-01-2008 05:43PM

Im one of the newer members on this forum that has been give a good bit of help by Colm . I never found him arrogant or pushy(regarding crossfit). He doesnt throw crossfit at every new poster either, he has recommended starting strength more often imo. Hes one person on here along with Gem who has a bit of patience with new posters.

The criticism of Colm seems to be based on his trumpeting of crossfit over all other methods but some of those people behave in exactly the same way. They put forward their own way of training as THE WAY and dismiss any other. I think a lot of the criticism stems from pure begrudgery and is less about their problems with crossfit itself.

Im not a crossfitter by the way and dont like the right wing slant but that doesnt mean that Colm himself is of that mind. I think hes someone who genuinely wants to help out and has found another method of training and wants to let people know about it. Whats the harm in him mentioning it. Its up to the individual what path he takes after that

thirtyfoot · 24-01-2008 06:44PM

I like this thing of the comparison to religious fervour, its very true. The elite trainer or athlete is like a fundamentalist, they kind of have to be to be elite. Not sure if there was a 'holy war' who would win. Would be fun to see who would win in a competition between the various camps on a varied competition. The Decathlon in track & field would be a good measure of the various components of fitness - strength, speed, stamina, mobility, skill - measured man to man with no team to hide behind or bail you out.

On the topic of selling their business on the board it kind of annoys me too but the 3 biggest culprits (for want of a better word) could be E-Book Boru, On TodayFm Now Transform and Crossfit Colm but they are also 3 of the most knowledgable and most valuable contributors on the board. Although they are professionals and fitness is their job I'd probably still gravitate towards the 'amateurs' of the boards, those who do it for the gra of the game and not because its their living.

Too many times we listen to what might be regarded as self-styled gurus or their disciples when in fact a lot more can be learned from the guy or girl who have done it and achieved it themselves at the highest level at their chosen sport. My belief on this is that you train hard but train sensibly, always knowing why you are doing a session and always having a goal with each session. I think an approach that is built on personal experiences and logic that backs them up is the best way forward. Thats why I'm always wary of a program or system that promises so much. I see it many times in track and field were athletes change coach and do wonders, the coach gets huge plaudits. Rightly so, but its still the athlete that does the hardwork or has the inate talents, its just their previous system that didn't work for them. Likewise, the lauded coach will have taken on and not improved many other athletes because his system or package didn't work for that athlete. Obvously with a mass audience (like Boards) such a specialised program or approach isn't always possible.

By the way after looking at the website I realise I have been doing crossfit style programs for many years without even knowing it - all credit to my fathers training techniques 20 years ago!

Roper · 25-01-2008 12:24AM

This is about 50% discussion and 50% I hate Crossfit/Colm at this stage.

Just to place my own comments in context, I have no personal emnity towards Colm, in fact, we're friends and see each other at competitions, fights etc. I think there's a lot of unfair, personal attacks going on here and while Colm doesn't need me to defend him, I want to distance myself from that kind of sh1te and say that my criticism of Crossfit is about Crossfit, not about the people who do it or run it.

However, despite not needing to defend Colm, if you read back on his posts I think you'll find he recommends simplefit and starting strenght just as much as he reccomends his own gym and interest. To hark back to what myself and Dragan disagreed on earlier (now cleared up), that's his fitness modus operandi, so he's likely to recommend it whether he benefits or not.

Where has the love gone?

FiannaGym.com · 25-01-2008 01:23AM

Sorry that you guys misunderstood my post so completley - maybe that tells us all more than just "Fianna writes crap posts"? Hmm, anyone?

"P.S. Anyone on here to thinks Colm isnt in good shape, and they are, should try roll with him sometime."
This is to demonstrate that "being in shape" or "fitness" is an issue of definition. People think they are fit and in shape and that they have an embargo on "fitness" they try a new sport or workout style and their opinion may change. Maybe?

I dont THINK this thread is a personal attack on O'Reilly... I WISH this thread was a personal attack on O'Reilly! haha.

Peace

Scramble · 25-01-2008 01:35AM

That NY Times article is interesting, although it does feel a little sexed-up. I can see where a complete lay person whose idea of exercise is a long walk on the beach might look at a tough workout and think that the people participating are a bit mental, but I wouldn't have though that anyone on this forum would necessarily feel the same way. To be honest, I doubt that doing CrossFit is any more risky than any other tough sport. Something like rugby generates a lot more injuries, surely? (Although I guess you could argue that no one necessarily advocates people of all ages playing rugby)

I should probably nail my colours to the mast at this point and mention I've been CrossFitting since September. So far it's working out great and I'm enjoying it. With that said, I'd like to think that I retain the capacity to objectively assess what I'm doing. If I thought I was hurting myself or there were more efficient ways to train out there then I'd like to think I wasn't 'drinking the kool aid' to the point where I dismissed them out of hand.

justsomebloke · 25-01-2008 01:24PM

ok right enough of cats

so what are we actually discussing at the moment

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enough

Racing Flat · 25-01-2008 03:15PM

jsb wrote: »

so what are we actually discussing at the moment

<snip>

enough

Well done gem, if the poster had read the last few pages of this thread he/she'd have known the answers to those questions...

justsomebloke · 25-01-2008 04:21PM

Racing Flat wrote: »

Well done gem, if the poster had read the last few pages of this thread he/she'd have known the answers to those questions...

actually I had read the all the posts, thank you very much. I would explain my points to all those who may have missed them however after being in pm communication with a couple of people I am not

Racing Flat · 25-01-2008 07:05PM

jsb wrote: »

actually I had read the all the posts, thank you very much.

In that case, maybe you read but did not understand the posts? Or else they were rhetorical questions and I did not pick up on this.

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