Why was the scumbag let in?

gurramok · 22-01-2008 06:09PM #1

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0121/coughlans.html

rte wrote:

A 19-year-old man has been sentenced to life in prison for what was described as a mindless, senseless and savage attack on a 37-year-old mother of two in Longford last year.

Brozovsky, who is a father of one, has 25 previous convictions in the Czech Republic, for theft, extortion and battery and two convictions in Belgium for theft and aggravated theft.

What happened to these so called background checks? :mad:

Why are we importing scum to add to the scum already here?? :mad:

A fuppin disgrace!

RuggieBear · 22-01-2008 06:12PM

EU country

wyndham · 22-01-2008 06:29PM

Most of our home grown scum are exported to Spain, so fair is fair.

Overheal · 22-01-2008 07:16PM

EU country or no: there comes a point when a red flag should be placed on you.

cooperguy · 22-01-2008 07:24PM

When he gets out he better be deported.

Terry · 22-01-2008 07:28PM

I thought this was going ot be a joke.

Then I read it and realised it is.

everyone knows that there are no scumbags in other countries.

gucci · 22-01-2008 07:31PM

what was almost as bad as his background/history was some of the stuff that was written about the woman in this case on the days after her death in part of the press. absolutely disgraceful.

5starpool · 22-01-2008 07:33PM

Is he not here a few years so most of the crimes would have been as a juvenile? Would this mean that his previous crimes were not taken into account for sentencing?

Prick should be locked away for life, never mind deporting him when he gets out.

GhostInTheRuins · 22-01-2008 07:57PM

Terry wrote: »

everyone knows that there are no scumbags in other countries.

No, but clearly people don't care about scumbag attacks if they're our scumbags doing them. :rolleyes:

Dudess · 22-01-2008 08:12PM

Terry wrote: »

I thought this was going ot be a joke.

Then I read it and realised it is.

everyone knows that there are no scumbags in other countries.

While I agree the wording of the opening post is very knee-jerk and "Evening Herald" it is quite surprising, considering the guy's list of previous convictions - and at only 19 years of age.

gurramok · 22-01-2008 09:37PM

Dudess, i thought it was outrageous that this guy wasn't red flagged on entering the country.
It ain't right that scum like that can move between countries un-impeded whether its Ireland, Spain or Czech republic and that goes for Irish scum moving abroad to Spain(drug barons come to mind on that one) too.

stepbar · 22-01-2008 10:10PM

<*raised eyebrows*> Welcome to the EU </*raised eyebrows*>.

squibs · 22-01-2008 10:20PM

Where do you draw the line for admission? Unpaid speeding tickets? Tax evasion? Drunken assault 20 years ago? Serial murder?

If we did draw the line, how long before we'd be kicked out of the EU?

Is it free movement for citizens or just for model citizens?

Do you want to wait in line at the airport while everybody's criminal record is checked prior to entry?

The issue is not why was he left in - it's why was he left out (of jail in the state where he committed the offences).

Stabshauptmann · 22-01-2008 11:08PM

Its no different from a Dublin scumbag going to Cork...

What happened was terrible, and Im in full agreement that hes a scum bag and should be locked away, but this isnt a foreign policy issue

Jackz · 22-01-2008 11:18PM

Q. Are you a murderous scumbag here for the rape and pilage(?) ?
A. No.

Next. . . .

arybvtcw0eolkf · 22-01-2008 11:40PM

I'm sure there's a bleeding hearted liberal lurking somewhere ready to make excuse's for him, then tell us we're all so horrible for locking him up and how disgraceful we are for not inviting his extended family over for weekend prison visits to the poor cretin.

Tha Gopher · 23-01-2008 02:50AM

D.T. Jesus wrote: »

No, but clearly people don't care about scumbag attacks if they're our scumbags doing them. :rolleyes:

Oh ffs

Kaptain Redeye wrote: »

Its no different from a Dublin scumbag going to Cork...

What happened was terrible, and Im in full agreement that hes a scum bag and should be locked away, but this isnt a foreign policy issue

Please retract said post on the grounds that it is utter cock.

Spain and Britian allow for the free movement of Irish criminals. That is a failing on the side of the British and Spanish governments. This case is a failing on our government.

Squibs- we have milked the EU for all the money we are going to get. Cheers lads, if it wasnt for your massive help we would stlll be a backwater. But, again, we have milked the EU. The money flow is over. It isnt particularly fair but its about time we decided to act like an ungreatful friend and tell the EU to go fcuk itself in regards to policies that are negative for us.

Spook_ie · 23-01-2008 04:28AM

Well just hope you ALL remember this when the 1st non national taxi driver gets done for something similar, then we'll be saying told you so, not enough background checks being done before issuing new SPSV licenses...:mad:

SimpleSam06 · 23-01-2008 04:54AM

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Cheers lads, if it wasnt for your massive help we would stlll be a backwater.

Bollocks.

Oh and yes, give us back our fishing grounds.

That is all.

briantwin · 23-01-2008 08:51AM

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Oh ffs

Please retract said post on the grounds that it is utter cock.

I second that motion.

The fact of the matter is , that little sh*t who raped and murdered an Irish mother of 2 Irish children was not born in this country. His nationality aside, there was a well documented history of criminality and violence in his past and as such an offender his status for application to reside and work here should as such have been scrutinised.
Let there be no doubt about it, if that guy was an Irish fella and he was living in that area and had a history of violence and criminal behaviour. The Gardai would have kept an eye on him or he would have been in contact with some liaison service. I'm not saying it would have averted this tragedy,but without some kinds of safeguards in place these eastern European criminals (far more dangerous in many cases than Irish criminals) are handed a clean slate and a chance to run amuck in a country who's police are ill equipped to deal with Irish criminals let alone far more experienced Eastern European ones.

So this whole, "Oh yeah as if Ireland doesn't have any scumbags of its own!" sarcastic BS response just goes further to strengthen the argument that is : "You're f*ckin right we have our own scumbags and we cant even deal with them as it stands!!"

I'm all for background checks and some sort of liaison between the Irish an Gardai and the resident police services of every person applying for Irish residence, European or not!

Banjoseph · 23-01-2008 09:54AM

briantwin wrote: »

I second that motion.

The fact of the matter is , that little sh*t who raped and murdered an Irish mother of 2 Irish children was not born in this country. His nationality aside, there was a well documented history of criminality and violence in his past and as such an offender his status for application to reside and work here should as such have been scrutinised.
Let there be no doubt about it, if that guy was an Irish fella and he was living in that area and had a history of violence and criminal behaviour. The Gardai would have kept an eye on him or he would have been in contact with some liaison service. I'm not saying it would have averted this tragedy,but without some kinds of safeguards in place these eastern European criminals (far more dangerous in many cases than Irish criminals) are handed a clean slate and a chance to run amuck in a country who's police are ill equipped to deal with Irish criminals let alone far more experienced Eastern European ones.

So this whole, "Oh yeah as if Ireland doesn't have any scumbags of its own!" sarcastic BS response just goes further to strengthen the argument that is : "You're f*ckin right we have our own scumbags and we cant even deal with them as it stands!!"

I'm all for background checks and some sort of liaison between the Irish an Gardai and the resident police services of every person applying for Irish residence, European or not!

Sounds good in theory, but EU citizens don't have to apply for residency here, they just have to show their passport, and also could you imagine the guards having to do a background check on every person on every plane arriving from Prague, Warsaw etc., it would take hours for every plane !
The only solution would be to leave the EU and require visas for every person entering the country, which isn't really realistic.

pedro ferio-vti · 23-01-2008 11:23AM

briantwin wrote: »

I second that motion.

The fact of the matter is , that little sh*t who raped and murdered an Irish mother of 2 Irish children was not born in this country. His nationality aside, there was a well documented history of criminality and violence in his past and as such an offender his status for application to reside and work here should as such have been scrutinised.
Let there be no doubt about it, if that guy was an Irish fella and he was living in that area and had a history of violence and criminal behaviour. The Gardai would have kept an eye on him or he would have been in contact with some liaison service. I'm not saying it would have averted this tragedy,but without some kinds of safeguards in place these eastern European criminals (far more dangerous in many cases than Irish criminals) are handed a clean slate and a chance to run amuck in a country who's police are ill equipped to deal with Irish criminals let alone far more experienced Eastern European ones.

So this whole, "Oh yeah as if Ireland doesn't have any scumbags of its own!" sarcastic BS response just goes further to strengthen the argument that is : "You're f*ckin right we have our own scumbags and we cant even deal with them as it stands!!"

I'm all for background checks and some sort of liaison between the Irish an Gardai and the resident police services of every person applying for Irish residence, European or not!

+1

Dudess · 23-01-2008 12:02PM

gurramok wrote: »

Dudess, i thought it was outrageous that this guy wasn't red flagged on entering the country.
It ain't right that scum like that can move between countries un-impeded whether its Ireland, Spain or Czech republic and that goes for Irish scum moving abroad to Spain(drug barons come to mind on that one) too.

I agree with you. I just thought your opening post read a bit tabloidy!

squibs wrote: »

Where do you draw the line for admission? Unpaid speeding tickets? Tax evasion? Drunken assault 20 years ago? Serial murder?

How about having dozens of prior offences and still a teenager?

Do you want to wait in line at the airport while everybody's criminal record is checked prior to entry?

Why couldn't his passport be taken off him?

I agree with Terry's point that a scumbag is a scumbag irrespective of their nationality, but part of his punishment should be losing his right to travel.

Intothesea · 23-01-2008 12:21PM

briantwin wrote: »

...but without some kinds of safeguards in place these eastern
European criminals (far more dangerous in many cases
than Irish criminals) are handed a clean slate and a
chance to run amuck in a country who's police are ill
equipped to deal with Irish criminals let alone far more
experienced Eastern European ones.

Too right. We can't perceive the cultural
mindset of these people in our innocence.
If you want to know someone, live with
them as the saying goes. It's a pity the
opportunity is mostly a one-sided affair,
but still, all the more reason Ireland needs
to look at qualifying its entry decisions in
some meaningful (crime-stat criteria) way.

/0.02

Tha Gopher · 23-01-2008 01:57PM

briantwin wrote: »

So this whole, "Oh yeah as if Ireland doesn't have any scumbags of its own!" sarcastic BS response just goes further to strengthen the argument that is : "You're f*ckin right we have our own scumbags and we cant even deal with them as it stands!!"

Indeed. Anyone posting the usual "ah yeah, sure we had no scum before they arrived" should be legally banned from using a computer under some type of mental health legislation. And as for comparing it to Irish scum abroad, just because Spain and Britain cant be arsed pulling the finger out it doesnt mean we shouldnt either. If Britain had any sense they would deport Irish criminals. Luckily for us, they dont bother. If they are happy to accept scum from here let them.

If anyone can find me an old boards post stating "throw these foreign criminals out, we had no crime before they arrived" I will eat my own sh1te.

Banjoseph- although every E European can move to France, Germany, Italy etc if they wish, they can only work with government approval which, Id assume in most cases, would include a background check. This guy had a conviction in Belgium. Its likely he was living there legally, but may not have been on their PPS equivalent.

Banjoseph · 23-01-2008 02:54PM

I don't think the stricter laws regarding work permits for E Europeans in France, Germany, Italy etc. has reduced the amount of foreign criminals in these countries, and anyway as far as I know these restrictions will be lifted on 01/01/09. I'm just saying that the logistics of background checking every person who enters the country would be enormous. 4 million foreign people visited Dublin alone last year.
You could spend all day debating the pros and cons of EU membership, and criminals entering the country is obviously one of the major cons, but it doesn't seem to be much can be done about it.
Maybe we should be having a look at the employers (mushroom farmers etc.) who are importing the cheap foreign labour and asking if they should be forced to do background checks ?

gamer · 23-01-2008 03:13PM

Theres no backround checks on anyone coming in here from the eu ,theres people coming here from prisons,sex offenders,ex killers ,drug dealers etc. THE gaurds should be able to block any1 getting welfare,or work permit if they have any criminal record,for violence,or sex offences,or fraud.NOT to be racist,theres people coming here from outside eu, marry an irish girl ,get residency,or claim welfare.There is a significant amount of criminals coming here cos ireland is now a rich country,with almost non existant backround checks,a killer can come here ,start a new life, no1 knows his past.

Tha Gopher · 23-01-2008 03:17PM

Banjoseph wrote: »

I don't think the stricter laws regarding work permits for E Europeans in France, Germany, Italy etc. has reduced the amount of foreign criminals in these countries, and anyway as far as I know these restrictions will be lifted on 01/01/09. I'm just saying that the logistics of background checking every person who enters the country would be enormous. 4 million foreign people visited Dublin alone last year.
You could spend all day debating the pros and cons of EU membership, and criminals entering the country is obviously one of the major cons, but it doesn't seem to be much can be done about it.
Maybe we should be having a look at the employers (mushroom farmers etc.) who are importing the cheap foreign labour and asking if they should be forced to do background checks ?

Not certain but I think Germany requires all residents, including citizens, to inform the authorities of their address/any change of address. Similiar system herw would work that one out to a great extent.

Mr. Presentable · 23-01-2008 03:21PM

Dudess wrote: »

but part of his punishment should be losing his right to travel.

Only after he's been sent home, though

Banjoseph · 23-01-2008 03:26PM

The trouble is that the Schengen zone is now so big that criminals and anyone else can travel around most of the EU without anyone knowing where they are. So they can easily leave their own country even if they don't have a passport. And I'm sure with the very cursory checking of EU passports that goes on in the Dublin airport, any sort of a fake passport could get you in.
Plus the problem of people arriving from the UK who probably won't get their passports checked unless they look suspicious (i.e. not white).

denashpot · 23-01-2008 03:30PM

wyndham wrote: »

Most of our home grown scum are exported to Spain, so fair is fair.

fair is fair

!! what a stupid comment! count to 5 seconds before you speak! if that mindless, senseless and savage attack was on your mother, sister etc. you be out with the torch and pitchfork. All these people should be checked before they come in not only to check if they are violent criminals and are kiddie rapist but also for aids and god knows what else they may have or may have done!

Why was the scumbag let in?

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