Irish professional inter county league

dbnavan · 21-01-2008 02:33PM #1

I was discussing this with a few mates yesterday, and I think it would really work, since the GAA can pack Croke Park with inter-county games weekend after weekend in the summer, should the FAI consider doing something similiar in soccer, I know at first it would take alot of work, maybe years before we reaped the rewards but there is nothing that will spark interest quicker then intercounty rivalary. It would be great for the economy, for sport, and for the international team.

Who knows 2020 European Champions = Dublin.

_blank_ · 21-01-2008 02:41PM

dbnavan wrote: »

I was discussing this with a few mates yesterday, and I think it would really work, since the GAA can pack Croke Park with inter-county games weekend after weekend in the summer, should the FAI consider doing something similiar in soccer, I know at first it would take alot of work, maybe years before we reaped the rewards but there is nothing that will spark interest quicker then intercounty rivalary. It would be great for the economy, for sport, and for the international team.

Who knows 2020 European Champions = Dublin.

:rolleyes:

Every time someone has another idea about how to improve the national league, I ask this question.

What happens to Shelbourne, Bohemians, Shamrock Rovers, Dundalk...etc...ect?

Teams with hundreds of years of history between them.

What supporter of these teams will support these new teams?

You expect me to support this new "Dublin United" club? Get a grip. I'd never stand shoulder to shoulder with someone I hated last season, a Rovers fan, a Bohs fan, a Pat's junkie. No chance, that's what ya got, no chance in hell.

Dublin City tried to tap into this very market. Sky Blue and Navy jersies, the whole lot. They lasted about six years and folded in the middle of the 2005 season.

Kilkenny City dropped out of the league last week.

No, this idea is retarded in the extreme.

Mr Alan · 21-01-2008 02:43PM

Ah go on Des, tell us wat ya really think!

Xavi6 · 21-01-2008 02:44PM

^ What he said. There aren't enough decent counties anyway to have a competition.

Here's a radical thought. How about we try improve the league we already have?

dbnavan · 21-01-2008 02:47PM

DesF wrote: »

No, this idea is retarded in the extreme.

I was taking you seriously till you wrote that, hard to argue with someone who resorts to insults and immaturity to get a point across.

bohsman · 21-01-2008 02:49PM

dbnavan wrote: »

I was taking you seriously till you wrote that, hard to argue with someone who resorts to insults and immaturity to get a point across.

It is retarded in the extreme. Start the same thread for England and see if they think any different.

_blank_ · 21-01-2008 02:50PM

dbnavan wrote: »

I was taking you seriously till you wrote that, hard to argue with someone who resorts to insults and immaturity to get a point across.

Meh, if you are insulted, report my post ffs.

Your idea bears no discussion, it's a silly idea. It wouldn't work.

What you are talking about is, essentially, alienating the very people who DO go to games on this island, in the hope that thousands of others who don't are suddenly going to start.

dbnavan · 21-01-2008 03:03PM

DesF wrote: »

Meh, if you are insulted, report my post ffs.

Your idea bears no discussion, it's a silly idea. It wouldn't work.

What you are talking about is, essentially, alienating the very people who DO go to games on this island, in the hope that thousands of others who don't are suddenly going to start.

Does GAA club football suffer because there is inter county games, or does club rugby suffer because there is ìnter provinical games?, barring a few counties, most counties dont have a team to represent team.

As for the insults etc, it was only I idea i thought would work, I am sure you have some ideas to put out for improving the league, ok some not half as radical as this but I would feel the need to trough random insults at you. Whats wrong with "I am sorry but I disagree because A....B....C " mature discussion, I probably would have agreed with your points, I do see your points and awknowledge that you have a good case.

I am sorry but the word retard really gets my back up.....I have cerebral palsy(which you did not know granted) but to me it is a word that when resorted to shows lack of cop on and intellegence!

OhNoYouDidn't · 21-01-2008 03:05PM

dbnavan wrote: »

I was discussing this with a few mates yesterday, and I think it would really work, since the GAA can pack Croke Park with inter-county games weekend after weekend in the summer, should the FAI consider doing something similiar in soccer, I know at first it would take alot of work, maybe years before we reaped the rewards but there is nothing that will spark interest quicker then intercounty rivalary. It would be great for the economy, for sport, and for the international team.

Who knows 2020 European Champions = Dublin.

the GAA have had lower attendences each year for the past 5 seasons. TV figures are down. They have players on strike over pay in an amatuer organisation. Hurling is on its knees. They cannot enforce their own rule book. Every weekend is a new atrocity on or off the pitch.

Why, oh why would we copy their failing model?

And if you think there is a county rivalty to match Rovers and Bohs, get out of the house more.

OhNoYouDidn't · 21-01-2008 03:06PM

dbnavan wrote: »

Does GAA club football suffer because there is inter county games, or does club rugby suffer because there is ìnter provinical games?,

Jesus wept yes. The AIL club game has fameously collapsed and the GAA bigots are always whining about how the club game there is being ignored.

SectionF · 21-01-2008 03:06PM

dbnavan wrote: »

I was discussing this with a few mates yesterday, and I think it would really work, since the GAA can pack Croke Park with inter-county games weekend after weekend in the summer, should the FAI consider doing something similiar in soccer, I know at first it would take alot of work, maybe years before we reaped the rewards but there is nothing that will spark interest quicker then intercounty rivalary. It would be great for the economy, for sport, and for the international team.

Who knows 2020 European Champions = Dublin.

Sometimes posts here in relation to Irish football are enough to make you weep.

_blank_ · 21-01-2008 03:08PM

dbnavan wrote: »

I am sorry but the word retard really gets my back up.....I have cerebral palsy(which you did not know granted) but to me it is a word that when resorted to shows lack of cop on and intellegence!

OK, well I'm sorry if that insulted you.

dbnavan · 21-01-2008 03:15PM

DesF wrote: »

OK, well I'm sorry if that insulted you.

Apoligy accepted, was more a fact of not taking your points seriously then an insult. We live and learn and I now awknowledge to the board that as the OP that the idea would not work but was worth getting to opinions of others.

If we all agreed there would be no need for a discussion board

_blank_ · 21-01-2008 03:23PM

dbnavan wrote: »

Apoligy accepted,

OK thanks

dbnavan wrote: »

was more a fact of not taking your points seriously then an insult.

OK, let me explain.

Every time there is a thread about how to improve the eL, someone posts an idea akin to what you did.

It seems like people expect there to be a magic button that will make people support these "new teams", but there isn't. As I have pointed out here, and in the other thread, people just aren't going to games in the regions where there are local teams.

It seems like the people who suggest it are dismissing the already established eL teams, as if the fans who do support them don't matter a shít. I find that highly offensive. I work hard for my team, I put a lot of hours and money into it. I'm not giving them up that easy I'm afraid.

dbnavan wrote: »

We live and learn and I now awknowledge to the board that as the OP that the idea would not work but was worth getting to opinions of others.

Yep, an idea you had is certainly worth getting opinions on, sure.

dbnavan wrote: »

If we all agreed there would be no need for a discussion board

Exactly.

dbnavan · 21-01-2008 03:41PM

The way I see it, and granted I am not a huge fan of of the EL, I keep an eye on shels, probably more so a few years ago when I was younger single and read every sports page going. Get older and married kids etc, priorities change....

Where i was coming from with this idea, is that the EL does not have a huge fan base, no disrespect to the fans like yourself who go week in and week out, OK it is growing. But with the state of the Irish National team at the moment I wonder is it time we look at things differently.

I think my original point if it could work(or some variation), would generate a hell of a lot more interest and sponsorship into the game in Ireland, which from what I gather is what is needed.

If GAA matches can have crowds off 80,000+ in an amature game and the average EL game is say....(6.800*) must be changes that could happen to generate a better interest

* Highest Attendence of 2006 Derry City - http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/2000/aveire.htm

Mikeyt086 · 21-01-2008 05:41PM

Would be unfair on most counties, Dublin having Keane, Duff, Dunne and more, Wicklow having ONLY Paul McShane, Waterford having ONLY John O'Shea etc.

Would be funny though.

shane86 · 21-01-2008 05:47PM

DesF wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Every time someone has another idea about how to improve the national league, I ask this question.

What happens to Shelbourne, Bohemians, Shamrock Rovers, Dundalk...etc...ect?

Teams with hundreds of years of history between them.

What supporter of these teams will support these new teams?

You expect me to support this new "Dublin United" club? Get a grip. I'd never stand shoulder to shoulder with someone I hated last season, a Rovers fan, a Bohs fan, a Pat's junkie. No chance, that's what ya got, no chance in hell.

Dublin City tried to tap into this very market. Sky Blue and Navy jersies, the whole lot. They lasted about six years and folded in the middle of the 2005 season.

Kilkenny City dropped out of the league last week.

No, this idea is retarded in the extreme.

Maybe that is the problem. Too many teams. Look at British cities of either Dublins size or slightly smaller- Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle-Sunderland, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Sheffield. All only have one or two teams at prem or c`ship level. Even London for its size has (from a quick count in my head) only 4 in the prem and then Palace, QPR, Charlton and maybe another two in the c`ship to league 3 section. Compared to Dublin, where you have what, five? Maybe the talent, support and therefore the money is too fragmented.

OhNoYouDidn't · 21-01-2008 05:51PM

shane86 wrote: »

Maybe that is the problem. Too many teams. Look at British cities of either Dublins size or slightly smaller- Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle-Sunderland, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Sheffield. All only have one or two teams at prem or c`ship level. Even London for its size has (from a quick count in my head) only 4 in the prem and then Palace, QPR, Charlton and maybe another two in the c`ship to league 3 section. Compared to Dublin, where you have what, five? Maybe the talent, support and therefore the money is too fragmented.

How many does London have? 14?

Glasgow and sattelite towns? 8?

Francihse football is not the answer. Ole Ole's getting off their arses and catching a couple of live games is.

_blank_ · 21-01-2008 05:52PM

dbnavan wrote: »

If GAA matches can have crowds off 80,000+ in an amature game and the average EL game is say....(6.800*) must be changes that could happen to generate a better interest

* Highest Attendence of 2006 Derry City - http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/2000/aveire.htm

The thing is, Irish people seem to need an "occasion", a "day out", they seem to need to be able to answer the question "were you at the match last night" with a "yes".

That's why there were 24,000 at Shels -v- Depor. Everyone was talking about it, it was the "in" thing to be seen at that week.

Just like sisty thousand "Dubs" go to Croker three or four times every summer. You'd hardly see sixty fellas in Parnell Park for a league game. You'd hardly see ten thousand looking for tickets if Dublin had a replay in the country.

That's why the national team is so "well supported". You see, the majority of these people who go to these Days Out couldn't actually give a shiney shíte about the team, the result or anything like it, once they can go to work the next day and tell their mates about being at the match.

If Joe Duffy tells them the manager is crap, they'll tell their mates the manager is crap. If The Evening Herald tells them the manager is the messiah, they'll tell their mates the manager is Jesus.

_blank_ · 21-01-2008 05:55PM

shane86 wrote: »

Too many teams, not enough supporters argument

Ah, this old chestnut.

Let me tell you this.

Back in the heyday of the LoI, when you couldn't get into Tolka Park, Dalyer or Milltown to see a game there were the same amount of teams in Dublin.

Rovers, Bohs, Drums, Pat's and Shels.

Dublin had a smaller population back then.

So that argument holds no water.

Well done for trying though.

OhNoYouDidn't · 21-01-2008 06:00PM

Des, for the craic, go over to the Gaaliban forum and tell them they would be better off adopting a football approach. See how long you last!!

For some reason they banned me, so I cant do it. Inbred bigots.

_blank_ · 21-01-2008 06:02PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Gaaliban

Hahaha

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

For some reason they banned me, so I cant do it.

I can't fathom why they'd ban you from there.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Inbred bigots.

Oh.

Savman · 21-01-2008 06:05PM

You fools, clearly this is a fantastic idea. We should also do away with my beloved Aston Villa and amalgamate with BCFC, West Brom, Wolves, Derby & Walsall. Call it Birmingham United, I'm sure the combined number of supporters would fill a 100k stadium. Then after we do the same with London United and throughout the British Isles, we could have one overall league with 8 teams and the possibility of relegation as we know it would be a thing of the past.

Only wee stumbling block is that I'd rather eat my own young than cheer for BCFC, so I can only speculate how supporters of LoI clubs would feel about the whole thing. Shels, Bohs, sher it's all the one, right?

Genius!

_blank_ · 21-01-2008 06:07PM

Savman wrote: »

You fools, clearly this is a fantastic idea. We should also do away with my beloved Aston Villa and amalgamate with BCFC, West Brom, Wolves, Derby & Walsall. Call it Birmingham United, I'm sure the combined number of supporters would fill a 100k stadium. Then after we do the same with London United and throughout the British Isles, we could have one overall league with 8 teams and the possibility of relegation as we know it would be a thing of the past.

Only wee stumbling block is that I'd rather eat my own young than cheer for BCFC, so I can only speculate how supporters of LoI clubs would feel about the whole thing. Shels, Bohs, sher it's all the one, right?

Genius!

Nice post from someone who understands football, and what it is to be a football fan.

patmac · 21-01-2008 06:09PM

DesF wrote: »

Every time there is a thread about how to improve the eL, someone posts an idea akin to what you did.

.

And 'Oh no you didn't' has to have a pathetic little dig at the GAA for some reason:mad:. I'm not going to type what I want to for fear of bans, but you are out of order, if ever someone's avatar suits a poster his is it. Sad little man.

_blank_ · 21-01-2008 06:11PM

patmac wrote: »

And 'Oh no you didn't' has to have a pathetic little dig at the GAA for some reason:mad:. I'm not going to type what I want to for fear of bans, but you are out of order, if ever someone's avatar suits a poster his is it. Sad little man.

Go and read the Rovers Stadium thread mate.

He has every right to have a go at the gah, imo, they are trying to destroy his club. They publically stated this as their intention.

The gah are a reprehensible organisation in my eyes for trying to do this to an other sporting club. The only people I hate more than the gah, are the fai.

Helix · 21-01-2008 06:11PM

DesF wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Every time someone has another idea about how to improve the national league, I ask this question.

What happens to Shelbourne, Bohemians, Shamrock Rovers, Dundalk...etc...ect?

Teams with hundreds of years of history between them.

What supporter of these teams will support these new teams?

You expect me to support this new "Dublin United" club? Get a grip. I'd never stand shoulder to shoulder with someone I hated last season, a Rovers fan, a Bohs fan, a Pat's junkie. No chance, that's what ya got, no chance in hell.

Dublin City tried to tap into this very market. Sky Blue and Navy jersies, the whole lot. They lasted about six years and folded in the middle of the 2005 season.

Kilkenny City dropped out of the league last week.

No, this idea is retarded in the extreme.

why cant there be intercounty AND club football like there is in the gaa?

_blank_ · 21-01-2008 06:12PM

Helix wrote: »

why cant there be intercounty AND club football like there is in the gaa?

What?

Because football has never followed the gah model, that's why.

Here's a question.

Would YOU support a "Dublin Soccer Club"?

If you answer yes to this, why the fúck do you not attent eL games?

OhNoYouDidn't · 21-01-2008 06:15PM

Helix wrote: »

why cant there be intercounty AND club football like there is in the gaa?

football is a global game, so where the Gah have intercounty we have international.

astonished that this has to be spelt out

OhNoYouDidn't · 21-01-2008 06:17PM

patmac wrote: »

And 'Oh no you didn't' has to have a pathetic little dig at the GAA for some reason:mad:. I'm not going to type what I want to for fear of bans, but you are out of order, if ever someone's avatar suits a poster his is it. Sad little man.

go away and interfere with your livestock.

for some reason? if you dont know why Shamrock Rovers and other LoI fans dislike you and your insular, grubby, bigoted organisation, you have been living in a hedge. Oh....

Dr Galen · 21-01-2008 06:49PM

No magical intercounty or otherwise fixes are ever going to solve this problem........jesus its like someone asking me to support the Stanley Park Rovers, not going to happen!

Its lazyness and apathy that the EL needs to overcome. I might not be a big EL fan, but havin orig come from the north, and even though we were sh1t I still liked to get down the the Newry Town games back in the day. Crowds were small, but the craic was great, the post game beers always turned into a late one and mates were made. Its the very same here.

Issue is people are too used to the pre-packaged "product" that is sky sports and the EPL. Standing watchin Pats/Shels etc isn't up to the standard expected by many armchair fans. Sayin that though, there is a definite market out there for people like me. With a keen interest in the game, who like watching a live game pretty much whoever is playing. I'd say i'd be in quite a sizeable group there, and if they could be tapped into then the EL clubs wold benefit greatly.

How they do that is another matter.......

Irish professional inter county league

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