And you's always wonder...

DSB · 19-01-2008 02:43AM

Xavi6 wrote: »

No but I wouldn't be surprised if you claimed to be a United or Liverpool fan. It's all about exposure.

Well I'm not doing it here, so I don't see why being Belgian would make that much difference. Most of us here are smart enough to look past what the Sky corporation feeds us.

Unearthly · 19-01-2008 02:43AM

DSB wrote: »

Not really. There are stadiums all over the world. Kinda brings it back to the decision of choosing your clubs doesn't it?

I didn't choose what club to have a feeling for

It just happened

how gay does that sound

DSB · 19-01-2008 02:44AM

Unearthly wrote: »

I didn't choose what club to have a feeling for

It just happened

how gay does that sound

Do you not think Irish culture shaped that though? You're a United fan right?

Unearthly · 19-01-2008 02:48AM

DSB wrote: »

Do you not think Irish culture shaped that though? You're a United fan right?

Yep

I fell in love because of the high quality football. When I played football as a kid(and remember I was going to Shel games at the time) it was always the likes of Cantona I wanted to be like. Love for the club has stuck

Mr Alan · 19-01-2008 02:49AM

i think probably the most important part of being a fan along with going to games is recognising wat a club is all about, its history and traditions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX2-zLi-xlI

i'll risk being abused for this, but the above is the Reclaim the Kop charter and to me this is vitally important as a Liverpool fan.

Although i would class myself as a liverpool fan, i would always recognise that the club belongs to the people of liverpool.

If i expect the honour being allowed to call myself a fan of that great club, it is vital that i follow the example set out by generations of great great fans.

The people of liverpool are the custodians of the club. i'm just glad they let me come along for the ride.

For example anyone who claims to be a Liverpool fan and reads the Sun is an embarrasment and is not a fan.

anyway i'm rambling now

DSB · 19-01-2008 02:51AM

Unearthly wrote: »

Yep

I fell in love because of the high quality football. When I played football as a kid(and remember I was going to Shel games at the time) it was always the likes of Cantona I wanted to be like. Love for the club has stuck

I can't help but think that if it was the done thing to support Irish clubs you'd be doing the same as your peers though.

Unearthly · 19-01-2008 02:54AM

DSB wrote: »

I can't help but think that if it was the done thing to support Irish clubs you'd be doing the same as your peers though.

Probably, but when do kids have minds of their own?

People say if the EL improved, then people would flock. Well I know I wouldn't suddenly just love a certain EL club. I can safely say Man Utd will be the only club I will feel a fan of

DSB · 19-01-2008 02:55AM

Unearthly wrote: »

Probably, but when do kids have minds of their own?

People say if the EL improved, then people would flock. Well I know I wouldn't suddenly just love a certain EL club. I can safely Man Utd will be the only club I will feel a fan of

I don't think people would flock either. It's a problem with peoples' attitudes, not a problem with the football on offer.

Unearthly · 19-01-2008 03:03AM

DSB wrote: »

I don't think people would flock either. It's a problem with peoples' attitudes, not a problem with the football on offer.

I think you are kidding yourself if you think the standard doesn't play a part.

Also this not supporting your local football team exists in nearly every country not just Ireland. How many people in England don't follow their local team but Man Utd? You will find Man Utd fans in every country

If the standard improved, I think it would help children start following it, eventually changing the culture.

estebancambias · 19-01-2008 03:05AM

As Keane said the LOI is full of players either with great talent, but not the right attitude, and non-talented people with lots of heart seems like a beutiful combination to me.

I'm going to start watching Bohs again this season.

DSB · 19-01-2008 03:12AM

I've already agreed the standard isn't as high. But people wouldn't flock even if the standard improved. We might get a few extra regulars but old attitudes die hard.

DSB · 19-01-2008 03:16AM

estebancambias wrote: »

As Keane said the LOI is full of players either with great talent, but not the right attitude, and non-talented people with lots of heart seems like a beutiful combination to me.

I'm going to start watching Bohs again this season.

Keane isn't very smart in fairness.

Unearthly · 19-01-2008 03:17AM

DSB wrote: »

I've already agreed the standard isn't as high. But people wouldn't flock even if the standard improved. We might get a few extra regulars but old attitudes die hard.

I said myself I wouldn't flock to go see, but I reckon a lot of people would. If the national team, that most people follow, started picking players from that league because they were good enough, then it would gain considerable interest imo

estebancambias · 19-01-2008 03:18AM

Perhaps, but with regards to his footballing knowledge, he has to know what he's on about.

DSB · 19-01-2008 03:21AM

estebancambias wrote: »

Perhaps, but with regards to his footballing knowledge, he has to know what he's on about.

I've genuinely often wondered, obviously he was a master of his own mind, and had an amazing workrate and great footballing ability, but I've always thought that he wasn't able to understand players that weren't of the same sort of mindframe as him. I mean the Sunderland team is mainly made up of players that have played for Man United, or Irish players, both of which he'd have tonnes of experience of. Don't think he has an eye for a player whatsoever.

Mr Alan · 19-01-2008 03:25AM

plus he has spent wat, 40 odd million and is still looking likely for relegation.

estebancambias · 19-01-2008 03:27AM

You may be right(in fact you probably are) but in theory his view on League of Ireland is correct.

Look at James Chambers for example, far better than Anthony Stokes from what I remember, but look who is playing for Ireland an in the Premier League.

Other talented players off the top of my head(I haven't watched Eircom League in a while) John Paul Kelly, Liam Kearney, Joe Gamble, McCourt(Don't know how he's doing now) Shane Robinson(Used to play for Shamrock Rovers)

DSB · 19-01-2008 03:30AM

estebancambias wrote: »

You may be right(in fact you probably are) but in theory his view on League of Ireland is correct.

Look at James Chambers for example, far better than Anthony Stokes from what I remember, but look who is playing for Ireland an in the Premier League.

Other talented players off the top of my head(I haven't watched Eircom League in a while) John Paul Kelly, Liam Kearney, Joe Gamble, McCourt(Don't know how he's doing now) Shane Robinson(Used to play for Shamrock Rovers)

This isn't any reflection on Chambers' attitude at all like. He seems happy at Shelbourne. He has had the chance to join Eircom Premier sides too. I know alot of Irish players do decide to go to England to ply their trade but it shouldn't be seen as a blotch on a player's character if they don't. I've every confidence Chambers would be a success if he moved to England. Hope he doesn't though.

Xavi6 · 19-01-2008 03:31AM

DSB wrote: »

Keane is an idiot in fairness.

Careful now. I got banned for that

DSB · 19-01-2008 03:33AM

Seriously?

Unearthly · 19-01-2008 03:34AM

Yep, quick edit me thinks

Xavi6 · 19-01-2008 03:38AM

DSB wrote: »

Seriously?

Yep seemingly it's 'needless namecalling' despite how true it may be. Trust me it's not a road you wanna go down.

DSB · 19-01-2008 03:40AM

Edited to save trouble. Definitely think he isn't the smartest though. A manager in the position his side is in shouldn't be criticising everyone else around him. Yet he never shuts up.

Xavi6 · 19-01-2008 03:47AM

DSB wrote: »

Edited to save trouble. Definitely think he isn't the smartest though. A manager in the position his side is in shouldn't be criticising everyone else around him. Yet he never shuts up.

As much as I agree with you this is waaaaayyy OT.

Basically my whole idea is thst it's a sad state of a affairs when any team folds. I just don't understand why, like in England, people can't got to support their local club AND support a big team. So many people over there support the Rotherhams, Walsalls etc yet support a Prem team as well. There's no need to restrict yourself so much, especially if in the long run it benefits our national team.

DSB · 19-01-2008 03:48AM

Agreed.

Jazzy · 19-01-2008 03:50AM

Xavi6 wrote: »

Yep seemingly it's 'needless namecalling' despite how true it may be. Trust me it's not a road you wanna go down.

yeah, i said a retired player was a scumbag and got banned. rubber walls i reckon.

i dunno, it seems that a lot of ppl think its our duty to watch EL teams. i dont think so at all, it doesnt make me any worse or better a fan but i can only devote so much time towards football. if i dont have the time for the EL then i dont have the time. some need to get that into their heads instead of dieing on the cross

DSB · 19-01-2008 03:53AM

Jazzy wrote: »

yeah, i said a retired player was a scumbag and got banned. rubber walls i reckon.

i dunno, it seems that a lot of ppl think its our duty to watch EL teams. i dont think so at all, it doesnt make me any worse or better a fan but i can only devote so much time towards football. if i dont have the time for the EL then i dont have the time. some need to get that into their heads instead of dieing on the cross

Spending all your time over in England at the games are we? Or in front of the telly?

MrJoeSoap · 19-01-2008 04:50AM

Sigh, this whole thread depresses me.

There are two types of poster in this thread really.

1. There are people who are Eircom League fans, who go and watch games regularly and enjoy doing so. Said people are pissed off that so few people support their national league, and that clubs like Limerick and Kilkenny are struggling to make ends meet for whatever reason. It is a perfectly understandable viewpoint when you consider the sheer number of soccer fans in this country, the sheer number of Irish people who would be willing to pay top dollar to see our joke of a national team play the world champions from six years ago in a friendly, yet not even be arsed to head to Dalyer/Tolka/Richmond on a Friday to watch an Eircom League game.

2. There are the people with no interest in the Eircom League, who support Premiership clubs and don't really give a f*ck who wins the domestic title and gets knocked out in the qualifiers for next years CL. They have supported their side for a number of years, have never had any real affinity for a domestic side and would be happy to continue supporting their side as they do right now. They would love a national league with some really high quality sides, of a standard of football ready and willing to compete in the Premiership or European football but realise that such a dream is so far off that it isn't even worth believing in.

So which one are you?

To be honest, I'm both right now. I see no point in trying to promote my team, Shelbourne, to my mates, as the standard of football is so bloody poor that nobody in their right mind would pay the entrance fee to see it every two weeks were they not already a supporter.

Then again, as a Southampton fan for the last 15+ seasons, I feel no more or less affiliated to the side regardless of their Premier League/Championship status. I've actually been to see them in the Championship more times than in the Premiership, if truth be told.

I couldn't care less who most people in this thread support, but when people write our national league off without a care for what they are saying (i.e. - Tusky, to whom I replied but have not yet heard back from) it just pisses me off. The standard of football is lower than the Premier League, lower than the Championship, and possibly lower than League One, but that doesn't automatically mean the level of entertainment should drop. My favourite years as a soccer fan were not whilst Le Tissier took the piss out of the Premiership, but whilst Wes Hoolahan dominated the left wing for Shels. That guy was just dynamite.

Whatever, nobody probably cares,
Mark.

estebancambias · 19-01-2008 04:56AM

Mark...Joe? It just doesn't add up.

Eh to be honest I'm neither.

MrJoeSoap · 19-01-2008 04:58AM

estebancambias wrote: »

Mark...Joe? It just doesn't add up.

Eh to be honest I'm neither.

Believe it or not my real name isn't Joe Soap, just as your probably isn't Esteban Cambiasso.

Strange but true!

And you's always wonder...

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