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Adults Smoking in cars with Kids

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  • #62
    Davidius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,893 ✭✭✭Davidius


    While I get that they're parents and they are allowed to raise their children the way they see fit to a certain degree, I don't believe a parent has any right to decide whether their child is exposed to health hazards such as cigarette smoke.


  • #63
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Ciaran500 wrote: »
    Theres a big difference between smoking in front of your kids and smoking in a confined area with them.
    Indeed there is.

    We all know that the only time parents smoke in front of their children is in a wide open field.


  • #64
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Then what should happen to parents who do smoke in front of their children?
    Jail? Fines? Community service?

    Listen, I am of the opinion that tobacco should be completely illegal in this country. It's a pointless drug.

    However, all this crap about harming the children is just PC posturing and is complete hysterical bullshít.

    Having one or two smokes in your car while your kids are in it, will not harm them in any way.

    Second hand smoking is only harmful over long periods of time. Ten or fifteen years of constant exposure may cause you harm. Five minutes in a car will not.

    Take that (what's a politically correct term for "stick in your arse?) whatever and go flog a dead horse with it.

    If all you have to worry about is someone elses kids, then consider yourself as someone living a good life.


  • #65
    l3LoWnA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭l3LoWnA


    I am a smoker! I have smoked in my daughters presence AND in the car when she was in there. So what should happen to me? Spit on me? Lock me up? Execution, Burn me at the stake perhaps.

    I would only ever smoke in the car if I was travelling a long distance and hadnt had a smoke in ages or if I was stressed about something, not that that's anyones business. If the car is moving and you open the window slightly the majority of the smoke gets sucked out the window. I always hold my cigarette very close to the window AND blow any smoke I'm exhaling out the window. 4 years ago, if you brought your children to the restaurant the chances are they'd have been subjected to far worse air conditions. 15 years ago, even the hairdressers and cinemas were full of smoke, so were all kids going around with long scruffy hair and never having seen a movie or ate in a pub or restaurant? I think not! You people need to find something in your own lives to worry about and count yourselves lucky that you have the time to worry about other peoples children.

    I smoked whilst pegnant too, didn't even cut down. :eek: My daughter is fine, a picture of health and has never had so much as a chest infection, so f*cking shoot me!!!

    These non-smoking perfect people up on their high-horses, I'm sure they're perfect parents in every way themselves. :rolleyes:


  • #66
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    l3LoWnA wrote: »
    These non-smoking perfect people up on their high-horses, I'm sure they're perfect parents in every way themselves. :rolleyes:
    You can be guaranteed that most of them don't have any kids of their own.


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  • #67
    Davidius
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    Smoking during pregnancy, now that's dodgey.


  • #68
    embee
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    Davidius wrote: »
    Smoking during pregnancy, now that's dodgey.

    IMO, alcohol consumption when pregnant as bad if not worse, but thats a whole other topic.

    One of my parents smoked (but doesn't anymore). I smoke. It doesn't follow suit that my daughter will... I think its a bit over the top to say that people who smoke in cars are "scum of the earth". There are worse things you could be doing to your child, much worse.


  • #69
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Terry wrote: »
    I could have gotten really sick of picked up by a paedophile.
    So it only happened once in a blue moon, so you never got sick of it?


  • #70
    FunkZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭FunkZ


    Shouldn't be done, second hand smoke and all and anyways.


  • #71
    Overheal
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    Smoking around your kids should be made an offense in my opinion. The evidence linking second hand smoke to respiratory illness is irefutable. Much more so in the case of a child.

    Let me ask this: why do you feel it is okay to smoke around your children?
    l3LoWnA wrote: »
    I am a smoker! I have smoked in my daughters presence AND in the car when she was in there. So what should happen to me? Spit on me? Lock me up? Execution, Burn me at the stake perhaps.

    I would only ever smoke in the car if I was travelling a long distance and hadnt had a smoke in ages or if I was stressed about something, not that that's anyones business. If the car is moving and you open the window slightly the majority of the smoke gets sucked out the window. I always hold my cigarette very close to the window AND blow any smoke I'm exhaling out the window. 4 years ago, if you brought your children to the restaurant the chances are they'd have been subjected to far worse air conditions. 15 years ago, even the hairdressers and cinemas were full of smoke, so were all kids going around with long scruffy hair and never having seen a movie or ate in a pub or restaurant? I think not! You people need to find something in your own lives to worry about and count yourselves lucky that you have the time to worry about other peoples children.

    I smoked whilst pegnant too, didn't even cut down. My daughter is fine, a picture of health and has never had so much as a chest infection, so f*cking shoot me!!!

    These non-smoking perfect people up on their high-horses, I'm sure they're perfect parents in every way themselves.

    It takes about what, 3 minutes to smoke a cigarette? Whats wrong with stopping the car, and having a pit stop? Rolling the window(s) down is not a full-proof versus secondhand smoke.

    whats an Age in your opinion? How many hours? There are few travel stretches in Ireland from point A to B that are longer than 3-4 hours. Whats wrong with having one before you leave, half way, and one after?

    Nobody is arguing that conditions aren't getting better - the only thing you've established is that you're one of the last few carriers for second hand smoke still around.

    As for smoking during a pregnancy - that just makes me sick. You should be so lucky that your daughter is healthy.


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  • #72
    Ciaran500
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    Terry wrote: »
    However, all this crap about harming the children is just PC posturing and is complete hysterical bullshít.

    Having one or two smokes in your car while your kids are in it, will not harm them in any way.

    Second hand smoking is only harmful over long periods of time. Ten or fifteen years of constant exposure may cause you harm. Five minutes in a car will not.
    And if everyone had your attitude children would be constantly exposed to second hand smoke.


  • #73
    FagFury
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭FagFury


    l3LoWnA wrote: »
    I am a smoker! I have smoked in my daughters presence AND in the car when she was in there. So what should happen to me? Spit on me? Lock me up? Execution, Burn me at the stake perhaps.

    I would only ever smoke in the car if I was travelling a long distance and hadnt had a smoke in ages or if I was stressed about something, not that that's anyones business. If the car is moving and you open the window slightly the majority of the smoke gets sucked out the window. I always hold my cigarette very close to the window AND blow any smoke I'm exhaling out the window. 4 years ago, if you brought your children to the restaurant the chances are they'd have been subjected to far worse air conditions. 15 years ago, even the hairdressers and cinemas were full of smoke, so were all kids going around with long scruffy hair and never having seen a movie or ate in a pub or restaurant? I think not! You people need to find something in your own lives to worry about and count yourselves lucky that you have the time to worry about other peoples children.

    I smoked whilst pegnant too, didn't even cut down. :eek: My daughter is fine, a picture of health and has never had so much as a chest infection, so f*cking shoot me!!!

    These non-smoking perfect people up on their high-horses, I'm sure they're perfect parents in every way themselves. :rolleyes:

    Hit a nerve did I? If you read my original post I never said whether I was a smoker or not. My problem isn't with adults smoking, they can damage themselves anyway they want, couldn't care less. My problem is that SOME of them expose their kids to smoke. Your daughter may be the picture of health now, who knows what will happen to her later in life. You can't be so ignorant as to say that your smoking hasn't affected her in any way as the long term affects won't manifest themselves for many years to come.

    As one of the previous posters here said their mother smoked in the car with them and they hated her for it. This may come back to bite you on the bum yet.


  • #74
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    For the love of god.
    You got the planes, the pubs, the offices, the shops and your own homes.
    Of course, that's not good enough.
    Now you are trying to stop people smokng in places that have no effect on you at all.

    Listen, instead of pontificating from your high horses, why don't you all go and write letters to Harney the hut?

    Off you go now in your SUV's and drive to the postbox around the corner.

    Nothing sickens me more than people trying to tell others how to live their lives and how to bring up their own children.

    One last thing, before you get in your SUV with that letter to Harney (because you are going to do that, right? You all seem really concerned about this second hand smoke issue, so I would assume that you are going to write this letter and then send it to Harney), I'd like to see a copy of that letter posted here.

    Once that is done, we can start on those unsightly obese people.


  • #75
    FagFury
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭FagFury


    Terry wrote: »
    Now you are trying to stop people smokng in places that have no effect on you at all.

    I never said I'm trying to stop people smoking, just that it affects kids health when they do it around them.
    Terry wrote: »
    Listen, instead of pontificating from your high horses, why don't you all go and write letters to Harney the hut?

    Strange, I thought this was a forum where people could express their opinions on things. Sorry, must have been mistaken.
    Terry wrote: »
    Once that is done, we can start on those unsightly obese people.

    And people overeating does not make the people around them overweight. My whole point is that smokers shouldn't smoke in CONFINED areas with children, as what they are doing is affecting their children.


  • #76
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    FagFury wrote: »
    I never said I'm trying to stop people smoking, just that it affects kids health when they do it around them.



    Strange, I thought this was a forum where people could express their opinions on things. Sorry, must have been mistaken.



    And people overeating does not make the people around them overweight. My whole point is that smokers shouldn't smoke in CONFINED areas with children, as what they are doing is affecting their children.
    My point is; are you going to do anything about it, or are you just going to whine about it?

    Just whining on a message board won't change anything.

    All you will do is piss people off.

    You could always go up to one of these vile, disgusting, horrendous excuses for human beings and voice your concern. Although you would most likely get a slap for your troubles.

    Write to Harney. See if she will put a stop to this thing that pisses you off so much.

    For someone not trying to stop it, you did say this:
    FagFury wrote: »
    Anyone else get really really annoyed when they see adults puffing away on cigarettes when they have kids in their cars with them?

    Its one of my pet hates, and I think it should be illegal for this to happen. After all they are physically damaging their kids health. Grrrrrr
    FagFury wrote: »
    Oh yes, the great old Irish complacency! Dont react to anything unless it affects you personally! How we have progressed!
    So, are you going to be complacent too?


  • #77
    leninbenjamin
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    d'ya know what's funny? these days we all hear about crap about what parents can and can't do with regards health and safety, yet the funny thing is kids born today are likely to have a lower life expectancy than our dirty, excessive risk taking, occasionally smoking selves if current trends continue. yay for obesity and excessive hygiene practices!

    people need to get their priorities straight. i'm a smoker, wouldn't smoke in a confined area with other kids but it's not the end of the world if I did.
    how about walking kids to school fagfury? shouldn't we be baying for the blood of those who are too lazy to cook their kids a proper meal? or how about the drivers who don't smoke in front of their kids but take excessive risks on the roads everyday?


  • #78
    Ciaran500
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    leninbenjamin wrote: »
    how about walking kids to school fagfury? shouldn't we be baying for the blood of those who are too lazy to cook their kids a proper meal? or how about the drivers who don't smoke in front of their kids but take excessive risks on the roads everyday?
    If you look around I'm sure these have all come up and more than likely will come up again.

    But either way its a pretty poor argument that we shouldn't complain about one scenario because there are other dangerous scenarios to put kids in.


  • #79
    leninbenjamin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    Ciaran500 wrote: »
    But either way its a pretty poor argument that we shouldn't complain about one scenario because there are other dangerous scenarios to put kids in.

    well that's a valid take on things but i think it's important to emphasize also that there are other outstanding issues some of far more concern than the OPs question. as a rule the general populace get side tracked by smaller less significant very easily and ignore the bigger picture. look at the American election race, or the fiasco of urban development in this country for examples.


  • #80
    luckat
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    Smoking (including passive smoking) takes an average of 23 years off the lifespan.


  • #81
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    luckat wrote: »
    Smoking (including passive smoking) takes an average of 23 years off the lifespan.
    Really?
    Where did you pull that little nugget of information from?

    I heard it was 10 minutes for every cigarette. I also heard it was 3 minutes for every cigarette. I also heard it was 5 minutes for every cigarette.
    You get the picture.
    That was only for smokers though. I've never seen any definitive evidence to prove that passive smoking is harmful.


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  • #82
    daveharnett
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    FagFury wrote: »
    Anyone else get really really annoyed when they see adults puffing away on cigarettes when they have kids in their cars with them?
    No. I would frown on it, but i'm not going to get 'really annoyed' about something as trivial as that. FagFury, i'm afraid you may be addicted to rageahol.
    FagFury wrote: »
    Its one of my pet hates, and I think it should be illegal for this to happen.
    Um, no. Everyone's pet hates can't be made illegal. When people say "there ought to be a law", then there usually oughtn't be a law.
    FagFury wrote: »
    After all they are physically damaging their kids health. Grrrrrr
    You'll physically damage your own health if you don't chill out a bit. Take a minute, read the news from Kenya and get a little perspective.


  • #83
    Antigone05
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    Terry wrote: »

    I've never seen any definitive evidence to prove that passive smoking is harmful.


    ill agree there!

    im a smoker and know its bad for me, and i know when people give me dirty looks are only thinking about my health.

    im perfectly happy smoking in my home and sometimes car, but remember i do have the all important smelly tree dangling in it!


  • #84
    View Profile
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    Originally Posted by Terry viewpost.gif

    I've never seen any definitive evidence to prove that passive smoking is harmful.

    Im pretty sure it has.

    That was the reason the government brought in the ban for pubs and restraunts. They didnt want the staff dying of cancer in 30 years from all the dirty fumes the smokers were blowing in their faces.

    I find it amusing how defensive the smokers on this forum are getting in relation to the OP's comments.

    Are you seriously telling us that you dont see a problem with children having to indure second hand smoke in a confined space like a car! Window open or not, it is being inhaled by the children so cop on!!

    And mentioning how we should be more concerned about Kenya is completely besides the point at hand.

    A parent can just stop smoking in the car right now. You or I cant stop the bloodshed in Nairobi.


  • #85
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    View Profile wrote: »
    Im pretty sure it has.
    I was pretty sure that I was dying last week.
    Turns out it was just the flu.

    As for the difference between pub staff and kids in a car; 12 hour shifts in a pub over 30 years is a lot different to half hour journeys in a car over a couple of years.


  • #86
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    As for the difference between pub staff and kids in a car; 12 hour shifts in a pub over 30 years is a lot different to half hour journeys in a car over a couple of years.

    A developing childs lungs are far more vunerable to airborne contaminants than an adult.
    Also a bar worker can choose not to work in that environment. I cant see 3 year old Amy telling her mummy to stop blowing carbon monoxide into her face.

    Maybe its just Darwinism. The non-smoker will eventually inherit the Earth.


  • #87
    Gran Hermano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    View Profile wrote: »
    The non-smoker will eventually inherit the Earth.

    But will they actually know how to enjoy the earth?
    Especially when they have to find something new to whinge about.


  • #88
    Pye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭Pye


    View Profile wrote: »
    Maybe its just Darwinism. The non-smoker will eventually inherit the Earth.

    Non-smoker does not equal anti-smoker. Leave Darwin out of it, we're not evolving and never will.


  • #89
    Dave!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Terry wrote: »
    Really?
    Where did you pull that little nugget of information from?

    I heard it was 10 minutes for every cigarette. I also heard it was 3 minutes for every cigarette. I also heard it was 5 minutes for every cigarette.
    You get the picture.
    That was only for smokers though. I've never seen any definitive evidence to prove that passive smoking is harmful.

    How hard did you look?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking#Long-term_effects

    Check up on the sources if you like.


  • #90
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    DaveMcG wrote: »
    How hard did you look?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking#Long-term_effects

    Check up on the sources if you like.
    What makes you think I looked at all?

    I couldn't give a damn about other people being affected by my cigarette smoke.

    I'd probably care if I had kids, but I don't, so there's not really an issue there.

    As far as other people go, I say live and let live.


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  • #91
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    Terry wrote: »
    What makes you think I looked at all?

    I couldn't give a damn about other people being affected by my cigarette smoke.

    I'd probably care if I had kids, but I don't, so there's not really an issue there.

    As far as other people go, I say live and let live.

    That's mature.


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