Adults Smoking in cars with Kids

FagFury

Anyone else get really really annoyed when they see adults puffing away on cigarettes when they have kids in their cars with them?

Its one of my pet hates, and I think it should be illegal for this to happen. After all they are physically damaging their kids health. Grrrrrr

cance

FagFury wrote: »

Anyone else get really really annoyed when they see adults puffing away on cigarettes when they have kids in their cars with them?

i don't think its any of your business, they aren't your kids.

6th

cance wrote: »

i don't think its any of your business, they aren't your kids.

Any if the parents where kicking the kids?

FagFury

Someone has to speak up for those kids, their parents obviously aren't responsible enough to worry about their lungs!

cance

6th wrote: »

Any if the parents where kicking the kids?

thats not really a fair comparison is it? legality and all.

I'm not a smoker or a huge fan of smokers being in my company, but until its illegal to do so theres nothing to stop em.

FagFury

Which is why I said it should be illegal!

FlutterinBantam

Nope doesn't bother me at all.For two reasons.

1.. Absolutely no point worrying about someone who smokes in a car with kids in it,they don't give a bollix,so why should I?

2.. With any luck they will be dead before lasting damage is done to the kids.

So I hold my worrying for something worth worrying about like the Packers chances against the Seahawks next Sat night and important stuff.

xzanti

This makes me sick, I saw a guy driving along beside me last week with a baby in a babyseat in the front of the car and he was puffing away with no windows open.. I felt like getting out and dragging him out of his car and making suck on his exhaust pipe... But unfortunately as someone else above said, it's not really anyone elses business/place to say anything :rolleyes::o

View Profile

Just make smoking illegal.

Its a filthy habit for filthy people.

Mitch Connor

for filthy people? what a horrible thing to say.

FagFury

Oh yes, the great old Irish complacency! Dont react to anything unless it affects you personally! How we have progressed!

Archeron

What about smoking in the home? Why is smoking in a car so evil? Most people would surely keep the window open a crack causing most smoke to be sucked out, whereas in a living room or kitchen, its just left to hang around and be breathed in by the wee folk.

Anyway, it annoys me more to see unbelted kids in a car, or someone on their mobile while driving with kids in the car, or someone dangerously overtaking in a car with kids, or someone doing all three of the above at the same time.

View Profile

There is nothing positive about smoking.

FagFury

Anyone who smokes around kids in any environment are totally irresponsible and obviously don't have any consideration for their kids.

Having a window open in a car doesn't stop the carcinogens from circulating inside, so the kids themselves might as well be puffing away!

Kintarō Hattori

Ah I'll go one furthur and say that once you have kids you shouldn't be allowed smoke in their presence. It does annoy me when I see young kids around their parents and the parents are smoking away.
Its not fair on the kids.

I remember the days when I was a kid and I had no choice but to get Bus Eireann into the next town for school. The bus used to be clogged with smoke and it was grimey. If you weren't a smoker it was hell.

LadyE

View Profile wrote: »

There is nothing positive about smoking.

It makes you look cool

togster

I smoke but would never smoke in a confined space with a non smoker. So yeah people that do this to kids are **** but as pointed out what ya gonna do about it?

xzanti

eo980 wrote: »

Ah I'll go one furthur and say that once you have kids you shouldn't be allowed smoke in their presence. It does annoy me when I see young kids around their parents and the parents are smoking away.
Its not fair on the kids.

I remember the days when I was a kid and I had no choice but to get Bus Eireann into the next town for school. The bus used to be clogged with smoke and it was grimey. If you weren't a smoker it was hell.

Same with CIE buses tbh..

DublinDilbert

FagFury wrote: »

Which is why I said it should be illegal!

I do get a kick when i see people smoking in brand new cars...

like whats the point in going out and spending all that money for a shinny new car which comes complete with new car smell, and within a week of smoking in it having it smell like crap.

Miguel_Sanchez

xzanti wrote: »

Same with CIE buses tbh..

eh? CIE buses and Bus Eireann buses = same thing.

star-pants

I don't smoke nor do I have children.
However my godson (who is 7) - his father smokes around him (despite his mother AND the child asking him not to) - He goes around with a wee smokers cough on him after being up with his daddy.
That I think it's ridulous - smoke if you like, by all means, that's your choice. The children can't choose.

xzanti

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

eh? CIE buses and Bus Eireann buses = same thing.

Ah yeah I know, just comparing Dublin with 'Da Country'..

Mitch Connor

View Profile wrote: »

There is nothing positive about smoking.

so, doesn't give you the right to say people who smoke are filthy people.

My dad smokes. But he doesn't smoke round his kids (one room in the house he smokes in, his office) Doesn't smoke when the kids are int eh car. He'sa good dad and a good provider, the kids want for nothing. Yet just because he smokes you say he is a filthy person? How dare you comment on someone because of one facet of there make-up that effects only them. How dare you.

Mitch Connor

DublinDilbert wrote: »

I do get a kick when i see people smoking in brand new cars...

like whats the point in going out and spending all that money for a shinny new car which comes complete with new car smell, and within a week of smoking in it having it smell like crap.

yeah, cause the only reason to buy a new car is to have the new car smell. People who enjoy a smoke should obviously not be allowed to enjoy a new car, regardless of anything else.

6th

Tauren wrote: »

so, doesn't give you the right to say people who smoke are filthy people.

My dad smokes. But he doesn't smoke round his kids (one room in the house he smokes in, his office) Doesn't smoke when the kids are int eh car. He'sa good dad and a good provider, the kids want for nothing.

I'm sure they'll want for their dad once he's gone?

6th

Tauren wrote: »

yeah, cause the only reason to buy a new car is to have the new car smell. People who enjoy a smoke should obviously not be allowed to enjoy a new car, regardless of anything else.

I agree completely with this.

Mitch Connor

6th wrote: »

I'm sure they'll want for their dad once he's gone?

oh get over yourself. Everyone dies eventually and there is no gaurantee that he will die a premature death as a direct result of smoking. He could be hit by a car as easy as anything else. I know smokers who have lived to 80 and 90 years of age.

Of course his kids and family will miss him when he is gone, but it is no certainty that when he does go (hopefully a long long time from now) it will be because he smoked.

6th

Tauren wrote: »

oh get over yourself. Everyone dies eventually and there is no gaurantee that he will die a premature death as a direct result of smoking. He could be hit by a car as easy as anything else. I know smokers who have lived to 80 and 90 years of age.

Of course his kids and family will miss him when he is gone, but it is no certainty that when he does go (hopefully a long long time from now) it will be because he smoked.

But by smoking is he not seriously increasing the risk of a premature death? Surely you cant deny that. The thing is that he and all other smokers know the risks and choose to continue with the habit ... regardless of the consequences or the feelings of those around them.

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so, doesn't give you the right to say people who smoke are filthy people.

My dad smokes. But he doesn't smoke round his kids (one room in the house he smokes in, his office) Doesn't smoke when the kids are int eh car. He'sa good dad and a good provider, the kids want for nothing. Yet just because he smokes you say he is a filthy person? How dare you comment on someone because of one facet of there make-up that effects only them. How dare you.

Im not saying your father is a bad person Tauren.

If someone ate krap as a habit id would happily say they are a filthy person.

roberta c

Smoking=stupid. its a fact, there is no point in arguing against this! It serves no purpose and tends to kill people every now and then.. so all in all not a good thing.
I dont know why you wounldnt want your Dad to quit for his own sake?

Lemegeton

one of my aunts and her husband smoked non stop around their kids for years and always in their car and the kids spent every summer of their childhood in a smokey pub. the 2 kids have had health problems all their life and i know its because of that. i also hate seeing parents with babies or small children smoking in their faces. makes me sick

Mitch Connor

View Profile wrote: »

Im not saying your father is a bad person Tauren.

If someone ate krap as a habit id would happily say they are a filthy person.

No, you are saying he is a filthy person. Not much better. As for your second sentence...what the hell happned there?

6th wrote: »

But by smoking is he not seriously increasing the risk of a premature death? Surely you cant deny that. The thing is that he and all other smokers know the risks and choose to continue with the habit ... regardless of the consequences or the feelings of those around them.

Of course I would prefer him not to smoke - but i also have the ability to see past the bad habbit and not judge him as a bad/filthy/horrible person just beacuse of it. I chose to look at how he provides for his family, how he treats them - things like that. He doesn't smoke around the kids, not in a room they use in the house, so he is not passing the habbit on to them directly.

roberta c wrote: »

Smoking=stupid. its a fact, there is no point in arguing against this! It serves no purpose and tends to kill people every now and then.. so all in all not a good thing.
I dont know why you wounldnt want your Dad to quit for his own sake?

As I have just said, i would prefer if he quit, but I just don't see the sense in seeing him as a terrible or filthy person just because he smokes.

Its the same with my mothers husband. He smokes, but i can't see him as a bad person for it. He gets up for work in the morning at 7am, gets home from his second job at about 11pm some nights, over christmas he wasn't getting back till 1am. He works damn hard all day, and then come the weekend, he works damn hard again. He has little free time to himself - but he always makes himself available to ehlp others be it DIY round the house, on cars collecting recyclables and a hole heap of stuff like that. Yet because he smokes I should view him as, or accept others viewing him as, a filthy person. Not going to happen.

6th

I didnt make the filthy remark.

My only point is that people make the choice to smoke ... which is obviously a stupid thing to do.

In the case of your father he doesnt smoke around kids so based on the thread title he is not part of the problem we are discussing.

Kintarō Hattori

Woa Woa Folks,

We're not discussing whether smoking is a bad habit, going to kill you etc. That's a whole other thread for some other day. Smoking around kids, a bad thing or not a problem?!

Maybe the OP should add in a poll so we can clearly guage people's opinions.

padi89

6th wrote: »

But by smoking is he not seriously increasing the risk of a premature death? Surely you cant deny that. The thing is that he and all other smokers know the risks and choose to continue with the habit ... regardless of the consequences or the feelings of those around them.

Exactly the same with over weight people,but it doesn't bother me if they choose to put their health at risk thats their business.

Mitch Connor

6th wrote: »

I didnt make the filthy remark.

My only point is that people make the choice to smoke ... which is obviously a stupid thing to do.

In the case of your father he doesnt smoke around kids so based on the thread title he is not part of the problem we are discussing.

No you didn't, but you commented on one of my comments that was a directly reply to View Profile effectively saying all smokers are filthy people. I don't like people smoking round kids - for all the reasons mention. I support the ban on smoking in public places for basically the same reasons. But that one comment from View Profile got to me, which prompted my reply. The replies to my post and subsequent posts have been answered along the same train of thought.

6th

I agrre to a point padi and this arguement gets thrown up by smokers each time a thread like this is posted. The thing in this case is that if I eat a BigMac beside a toddler everyday its not gonna give the kid health problems.

FagFury

eo980 wrote: »

Woa Woa Folks,

Maybe the OP should add in a poll so we can clearly guage people's opinions.

Ho do you do that?

pid()

FagFury wrote: »

Anyone else get really really annoyed when they see adults puffing away on cigarettes when they have kids in their cars with them?

Its one of my pet hates, and I think it should be illegal for this to happen. After all they are physically damaging their kids health. Grrrrrr

I'm sorry, but get off your high horse. The way those kids are brought up is absolutely none of your business. If you want to make it illegal for the parents to smoke in the presence of their children, then do something about that.

As for the people saying "What if the parents were kicking them?". You would report them to a government body, however, seeing as smoking is not against the law there is nothing you can do - or should do, so stop getting annoyed with things that are so petty and meaningless and move on with your life.

They're not your kids, you're not responsible for them, and if their parents want to smoke while they are in the car they have every right to do so. What next? Bringing kids to McDonalds will be illegal because of health issues? Letting kids watch cartoons and play video games will be illegal because it doesn't challenge their minds?

Once again. Grow up and use some common sense. This thread is absolutely ridiculous, and any replies to my post will be because the poster is trying to win an agruement.

6th

pid(), do you agree that smoking around children is bad for the childrens health. That it can cause serious health problems and lead to conditions that can serious affect their quality of life?

And btw, are you a smoker by any chance?

Kintarō Hattori

FagFury wrote: »

Ho do you do that?

If you look at the options just above your thread title there is an option for Thread Tools, the poll option is in there.

pid()

6th wrote: »

pid(), do you agree that smoking around children is bad for the childrens health. That it can cause serious health problems and lead to conditions that can serious affect their quality of life?

And btw, are you a smoker by any chance?

I'm not a smoker.

Well, if long term smoking for an adult is bad, then I guess that smoking around a child who's lungs are still developing might be bad. However, if the kid isn't mine, I have no right to criticise a parent for smoking around their kid. It is their kid, their responsibility and none of my business or your business.

If you walked over and knocked on their car window, and said "Put the fag out, you have a child in the car". You would be told to go fuck yourself, and not because the people in the car are skangers, but because it is none of your business.

The beating a child in public analogy is crazy as well.

It has nothing to do with you, just like the war in Iraq. Do you get annoyed every time you hear someone dying over there? If you do, I have to say that you really need to disassociate yourself with this sort of crap or you'll end up very annoyed with life. If you don't get annoyed over it, I have to ask why are you getting annoyed over this, then?

padi89

6th wrote: »

I agrre to a point padi and this arguement gets thrown up by smokers each time a thread like this is posted. The thing in this case is that if I eat a BigMac beside a toddler everyday its not gonna give the kid health problems.

Yes but twice you have mentioned the risks smokers put on themselves, im sure they are fully aware of them.I dont see what this has to do with the point of the thread of passive smoking.If someone risks their health by smoking its no different to someone eating a bigmac everyday.Either way you risk premature death.

the_syco

togster wrote: »

I smoke but would never smoke in a confined space with a non smoker. So yeah people that do this to kids are **** but as pointed out what ya gonna do about it?

Likewise. A few relatives, though, do go outside when smoking if the child is in the room.

=-=

Oh, and I've gone through a car window, and in a coma for 3 days, 10 years before I started smoking. My point, just because I smoke, doesn't mean that I won't be killed before it effects me.

pid()

padi89 wrote: »

Yes but twice you have mentioned the risks smokers put on themselves, im sure they are fully aware of them.I dont see what this has to do with the point of the thread of passive smoking.If someone risks their health by smoking its no different to someone eating a bigmac everyday.Either way you risk premature death.

And they are obviously happy taking this risk, and it's none of our business.

star-pants

Whilst I do somewhat agree pid() that it is none of our business what others get up to - I think the point of the thread is peoples opinions on it. Just because it might not be our business doesn't mean we can't express our personal views. And your view is just as valid. I don't smoke but if I did, I would make sure not to smoke around my children (if I had any) because that's their choice to make when they are older, if they choose to smoke or not.
Everything any parent does with/around the child is potentially something someone else might not agree with, but that's everyones personal choice.
I wouldn't go up to someone who was smoking around their child n say 'oi - what are you doing?' -- because it's nothing to do with me. If it were a close friend / family member - I would consider saying something yes.

marco murphy

I am a smoker, but smoking in the car kills me, the smell.
When I was kid I used to the smoke in the car.

Dave!

View Profile wrote: »

There is nothing positive about smoking.

Sure there is. It feels good, is relaxing, etc......

That's like saying there's nothing good about alcohol. Just because it has serious health implications does not mean it doesn't serve a purpose.

6th wrote: »

I agrre to a point padi and this arguement gets thrown up by smokers each time a thread like this is posted. The thing in this case is that if I eat a BigMac beside a toddler everyday its not gonna give the kid health problems.

Well that's a different matter entirely. Both smoking and eating Big Macs every day will affect the kid if (as is likely) you die at a young age. So by that rationale they're equally selfish. Of course, smoking in the child's presence will affect them detrimentally whereas eating junk food will not. But smoking per se is no more stupid than eating junk food all the time.

Does anyone have stats on how much of an effect car, industry, etc., pollution has on people's health? That's a common argument espoused by smokers. If the effect of car pollution is significant, then it's a bit hypocritical to complain about second hand smoking and then jump into your SUV.

Just wondering, cos I do not have the numbers on it...

rubadub

I think it is crazy that a driver is allowed to smoke, i.e. legal to hold a ignited article in their hand that could fall into their lap at any time- while holding a mobile phone is illegal.

Exactly the same with over weight people,but it doesn't bother me if they choose to put their health at risk thats their business.

You might end up paying more tax to take care of them. Same with "victims" of passive smoking. They are in effect posioning people around them, be they adults or kids. If you want to say passive smoking is fine, they at best they are irritating some people around them, and I already know the reply- get out and walk so... A infant has no choice, other forms of child abuse are illegal, this probably will be in the future and in generations to come people will find it odd saying "well years ago they let you smoke in front of kids".

I was mentioning it in the pub the other night, how 18year olds who are only beginning to go to pubs now must think it a great novelty to go to a pub abroad where they can smoke.

TantraKat

Adults make their own choice to smoke. By smoking in a car where there are children, they are exposing young, not fully developed lungs to all the damage cigarettes can do. How can anyone who proclaims to love their children expose them to this? Its not as if they don't know the damage cigarettes can do, there is enough publicity about the damage they do in every paper you pick up these days.

Sizzler

One word = classy.