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G6 stay defiant vs FAI
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23-12-2007 01:09PM#16 stay defiant
Sunday Indo - December 23 2007
The G6 of the eircom League are playing a high-risk strategy by hitching their wagons to Fintan Drury's Platinum-driven chariot for a new All-Ireland League. Drury told FAI CEO John Delaney last week that plans were continuing apace for the League, with support from clubs on both sides of the border, including Linfield, and the intention was to kick off next September.
Unimpressed, Delaney issued a statement declaring a meeting between the FAI and the IFA next month to discuss matters of "mutual interest." The message was clear: if any All-Ireland League is to take off, it has to be a joint FAI/IFA production.
The six rebels; Drogheda United, Cork City, Derry City, St Pat's, Bohemians and Galway United, need to be wary. With the League starting on March 7, the FAI need to know who is inside their tent, and who's not.
If the 'G6' can't commit, they risk expulsion. Also, the FAI won't nominate Drogheda, Cork, St Pat's and Bohs for European club competition.
The 16 clubs outside the loop are watching developments keenly. If the FAI stand firm, Shamrock Rovers could find themselves in the qualifying rounds of the Champions League, while Waterford United and Longford Town would be re-instated to the Premier Division.
what the jebus will we do till sept
kdjac0
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I dunno, I'd like to think that if there was money, they should be focusing as much on player retention as they should be attracting players to the game.
I've no doubt that if investors, who include Setanta and Sky, are going to pump in money, they want to see something that is going to draw people in. Initially, what I'd expect is the signing of older premiership pros, most probably Irish, who would otherwise drop a division (think Connolly, Kavanagh, O'Brien) and maybe some foreigners of the same idea.
There is food chain in football know your place and stick to it, there enough players here to make a step up just lacking the motivation ie money R Keane played for Crumlin United he wasnt the best player in that team, there was another who went to shels for a bit now back in LSL had trials with M City but his ma wouldnt let him go till he did his leaving. Kavanagh was offered 2.5 k off Pats but wanted 5k as he moving back here anyway, tbh would rather not get that type of player at pats.But the real challenge will be to bring through young players and be able to offer them enough to keep them in Ireland as opposed to going to the championship or lower league teams. You can't compete with the EPL, so that will be an issue, but if we can erase the need for clubs to sell, while also allowing attractive contracts for players, then they can start to compete and improve.
No its not player retention will not happen ever even at the top someone always has more money, if an offer comes in take it and have someone ready to take his place the more sales the more players will think they do have a chance, the last batch to go overseas having mixed results Byrne 7th choice at Cardiff O Callaghan a legend with ipswich, Hoolahan also legend, Molloy returned to bray. All got paid regardless so if that carrot is there for the best they be mad no to take it.
You know I've had a few heated debates with EL fans on this forum when I point out that the EL is to blame for it's poor product and marketing. I am usually slightly unfair as even with improved marketing, the money for investment in facilities for fans is scarce, so I'm always asked "where will this money come from".
Well here is the answer, every single EL club should be embracing this with arms open, this is the chance at a league and if they can take the ELs commercial rights out of the hands of the FAI, all the better!!
But as long as fans and clubs oppose it or look down on it or rue the involvement of the north, it's never likely to happen.
But they wont for fear of the FAI, noone ever took a chance investment wise with the EL so its plodded along. I know its a decent standard but the grounds are in ****e and only now after some people with money took a chance on it will we see people going to decent stadia? doubt it but least i know there 4500 pats fans out there who will eventually go hopefully at the same time, weekly
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No its not player retention will not happen ever even at the top someone always has more money, if an offer comes in take it and have someone ready to take his place the more sales the more players will think they do have a chance, the last batch to go overseas having mixed results Byrne 7th choice at Cardiff O Callaghan a legend with ipswich, Hoolahan also legend, Molloy returned to bray. All got paid regardless so if that carrot is there for the best they be mad no to take it.
I dunno, from various articles I've read, alot of the problems young irish footballers face abroad also include indiscipline, homesickness and lifestyle. Maybe these would be lessened in Ireland and the results would be less mixed.
I think player retention in terms of the EPL will never happen, but can an all ireland league compete with the football league in england? I think so.But they wont for fear of the FAI, noone ever took a chance investment wise with the EL so its plodded along. I know its a decent standard but the grounds are in ****e and only now after some people with money took a chance on it will we see people going to decent stadia? doubt it but least i know there 4500 pats fans out there who will eventually go hopefully at the same time, weekly
You'd be surprised. People go to see household names. I still think that if the EL put a bit of effort into getting their players known at home and had names on billboards, players coaching at schools and maybe turned a few lads into sex symbols, you'd get more people at grounds (and while the die hard fans may disdain, the clubs would benefit, which is all that counts, right?).
To prove the point, after the youth world cup that featured Robbie Keane, Ireland U18s player Northern Ireland U18s in tolka park. It was a sell out game, most people turned up to see Robbie Keane and didn't know other players from adam. Keane was playing at Wolves and impressing (iirc) but nowhere near premiership standard.
If an All Ireland League attracted and could afford players like Robbie Fowler, Kenny Cunningham, Matt Holland, Danny Mills (if only to hear Giles give out about him), Sylvain Legwinski, Keith Gillespie, Kevin Phillips ... all players who are household names in the championship... I think people would pay and turn up to see that. I reckon few liverpool fans here, would fail to turn up at least once to watch Fowler play, if not support a team he played for in Ireland.
As it is, noone knows the names, there isn't an aggresive marketing strategy and it needs to change.
I notice the eL fans here have a real "we don't want that kinda fan" attitude at times and then complain about people not supporting the league... *boggle*0 -
To prove the point, after the youth world cup that featured Robbie Keane, Ireland U18s player Northern Ireland U18s in tolka park. It was a sell out game, most people turned up to see Robbie Keane and didn't know other players from adam. Keane was playing at Wolves and impressing (iirc) but nowhere near premiership standard.
Pats signed 3 of the u20 side that played argentina in 97, they were at the time the most successful irish internatinol players ever!!! Didnt do much for crowds
If an All Ireland League attracted and could afford players like Robbie Fowler, Kenny Cunningham, Matt Holland, Danny Mills
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I notice the eL fans here have a real "we don't want that kinda fan" attitude at times and then complain about people not supporting the league... *boggle*
Where is the fan in there? a customer or a fan, its something people on here get mixed up with a lot. They expect a standard of football whereas a fan expects to see their team.
Personally none of those players are ones i would like to see in my team I would prefer Haverty or Foran both u18 irish internationals both playing with u18s since they 16, both pats players for 5 years and both on pro contracts, but if you reckon non EL fans would be better entertained with Fowler or Mills or someone player ending his career rather than Haverty or Foran playing and ensuring our internationals make some kind of step up....well one of us is a fan the other a customer looking for a reason to leave the house on a cold wet friday night.
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have to agree with this, its a bit pathetic but thats the way a lot of irish fans are
the likes of robbie fowler would guarentee a boost in interest in the league, absolutely. itd be a temporary boost, but it raises profile and gets bums on seats
And 3 irish youth internationals would be better for the longterm future of the club and country, i have every faith Haverty will get us a million from a PL side and play for the full national side.
And we have his replacement in our 16s also an irish youth international.
Granted wont get bums on seats like Fowler but cant see how wanting the best for my club/country via youth and development is pathetic
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/youth/collins/ our last youth who left without any monies owed, what if hes the new fowler........
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And 3 irish youth internationals would be better for the longterm future of the club and country, i have every faith Haverty will get us a million from a PL side and play for the full national side.
And we have his replacement in our 16s also an irish youth international.
Granted wont get bums on seats like Fowler but cant see how wanting the best for my club/country via youth and development is pathetic
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/youth/collins/ our last youth who left without any monies owed, what if hes the new fowler........
kdjac
Surely the whole league developing together through incresed interest is better long term than bringing through players and selling them on a club by club basis. A coupl eo fmillion every few years will keep the club ticking over as is, it wont get you CL football. The whole league stepping up even a small level should have teams regularly in the 3rd qualifying (ie more often than not) round and with a good draw have a team in the group stages every 2-4 years.
Why would you not still have your 3 Irish youth internationals as well as Fowler anyway?0 -
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I think thats another problem with the eL. Fans want a better league, they want more interest from Irish people, but they want the better league their way and the want Irish people to be interested in their league.
The fact that the product is a pile of crap seems to be beside the point.
In reality, the addition of several high profile players along with the extra money to keep all but the very best young talent, would probably gain the league more interest, more fans and a higher standing in Europe.
Vs your way which is to get in high profile injury prone oldies who have little to offer only a name on the back of a jersey and wouldnt actually make a club money to invest in itself and develop players themselves.
Did you all rush to see Carlton Palmer when he played for Dublin City? lol he was awesome.
Standard of football doesnt need to improve from pats think we fine with our ex arsenal, ex world cup player, ex championship player and ex rangers player, think that midfield will play some nice football as it did last season, now if only we could defend
Cardiff arent a club to model ourselves on Rosenborg are.
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Using Fowler as an example. If someone had signed him you'd instantly get more than likely a full house at the first couple of game with Liverpool fans wanting to see him. It would fall away after that but you'd get a percentage that would stick around and maybe become fans. Surely thats the medium - long term goal?
Liverpool customers;)
Its really pathetic actually, every year there are big profile friendlies with the amazing English clubs and a certain Scottish club you all seem to hail, but yet you see the standard of football and don't return to see that team play weekly:eek: Example: Finn Harps beat a semi-first team Celtic team during the summer, Finn Park was a sell-out(over 5,000) and you look at there average attendence at about 1,500 so all the crap about the standard of football is complete trollox. 0 -
Gavin shels wrote: »
Its really pathetic actually, every year there are big profile friendlies with the amazing English clubs and a certain Scottish club you all seem to hail, but yet you see the standard of football and don't return to see that team play weekly:eek: Example: Finn Harps beat a semi-first team Celtic team during the summer, Finn Park was a sell-out(over 5,000) and you look at there average attendence at about 1,500 so all the crap about the standard of football is complete trollox.
It's actually the EL fans attitude towards Irish people supporting English clubs thats pathetic tbh. As for the friendlies, 1) the people are turning up to see the visitors and 2) if you think they'd beat them in competitive games your awfully niave (why are Celtc in the CL knockout stages while Finn Harps players are on holiday?0 -
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Granted wont get bums on seats like Fowler but cant see how wanting the best for my club/country via youth and development is pathetic
its not, you really need to read posts
im saying that taking something like a past it english journeyman to get bums on seats is pathetic, not wanting decent young underage internationals0 -
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