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666 Mark of the Beast.

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  • #122
    Ciaran500
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Like anything ever invented by man it can be used and abused.

    How could satan abuse that? :confused:


  • #123
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    What person?
    The person who wrote the website you posted and which I quoted above[/quote]
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    It is plastered throughout the Internet in every language of the world.
    Yes, because there has never been an idiot with a web page on the Internet

    All of the 3 websites you posted as "proof" of this all said exactly the same thing and all used the exact same nonsense as evidence this exists.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    It just shows how much you have looked into it.
    I will freely admit I have not "looked into" beyond reading the websites you have provide ... all the links you have so far provided exactly the same nonsense evidence, so quite why I you think I would keep looking for an argument that 666 is in bar codes that does make sense is beyond me. If you know of a better argument than the one you have so far presented us, please link to it.

    The argument that Google has the answer and that people should go looking on that, is often used on Boards.ie by people who themselves don't have the answer. I'll give you the benefit
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I have presented you with heaps of proof and they are not from the one person as you seem to think.

    All the web sites you have present put forward the same nonsense argument, an argument that was disproved a few pages back by both myself and Robin. If you have more evidence please present it, but saying that we should go looking for it because the stuff you presented isn't sufficient, is a bit rich TBH
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The number 6 and the three guard bars are NOT the same. They do "appear" to be identical, but they are different.
    They don't appear to be identical, that is the whole point.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    From a computer's perspective the number "666" is NOT in the UPC barcode, this is why it dose not register on a scanner.

    Its never the number "666", from a computers perspective or any other perspective. The only way it becomes a "6" is if a human reading the bar code does not understand ANYTHING ABOUT BAR CODES. :rolleyes:
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    You would want to have your head in the sand these days to see your personal rights being erroded with these "great" new modern security and convenience tools.
    None of this is new RTDH.

    The same complaints being made about these security features have been being made when passports were first invented hundreds of years ago when you needed a pass to pass the "porte" (gate) of medieval cities.

    The issue of the need of the state to track information vs the rights of a private citizen to remain private is not a new issue.

    The idea that this some how ushers in a new age of anything is simply nonsense.


  • #124
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Wicknight wrote: »
    I will freely admit I have not "looked into" beyond reading the websites you have provide
    Says it all.
    Wicknight wrote: »
    If you know of a better argument than the one you have so far presented us, please link to it.
    No point presenting you with anything because you wont even bother looking it up. and as I have mentioned before it is impossible to document or explain anything without detailed charts of which I have failed to see on any of your links.
    Wicknight wrote: »
    Its never the number "666", from a computers perspective or any other perspective. The only way it becomes a "6" is if a human reading the bar code does not understand ANYTHING ABOUT BAR CODES. :rolleyes:
    I believe the number is there along with other Christian believers, whether it is read from a computer perspective or not, I know its there and it is sufficient enough for a tip off not to accept any form of RFID implant/tatoo of any description when the time comes.
    Wicknight wrote: »
    None of this is new RTDH. The same complaints being made about these security features have been being made when passports were first invented hundreds of years ago when you needed a pass to pass the "porte" (gate) of medieval cities.
    In medieval times your average passport didn't tell you what you had for breakfast.


  • #125
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    Wicknight wrote: »
    The same complaints being made about these security features have been being made when passports were first invented hundreds of years ago when you needed a pass to pass the "porte" (gate) of medieval cities.

    Far be it from me to disagree with Wicknight, but I'm pretty sure passport
     refers to a port as in a seaport. It is French (passer + port).


  • #126
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    rtdh wrote:
    There are serious fines for not registering and failure to comply to rules and regulations with EAN/UPC. http://fzj.sz.gov.cn/en/246.asp
    That's a national system used in Canada which is well regulated for the benefit of barcode users in the country who require a well-regulated system (supermarkets and the like). There are plenty of countries that are far less strict and all over, plenty of schemes where you can print and use your own barcodes. Indeed, you can go out and buy a $10 bar code printer and print barcodes away to your heart's content without annoying anybody. Many people do.
    rtdh wrote:
    You would have total confusion with several international departments making up and enforcing different rules.
    That's exactly what happens. Though if you're a food supplier who wants his stuff sold in supermarkets, for example, then you'll have to comply with whatever barcode scheme is in use there. Same as you've to comply with any local food safety, content labelling requirements and so on. Turn up at the front door with a crateful of privately labelled product and you'll be told to take a hike, which is not unreasonable in a shop with 10,000 separate products on sale.
    rtdh wrote:
    robindch wrote:
    How would this international database help herald the coming of satan?
    Like anything ever invented by man it can be used and abused.
    So, I ask you yet again -- how can this system be abused to help herald the coming of satan?


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  • #127
    BrianCalgary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭BrianCalgary


    I have been reading this with interest.

    Technology could in some way be a part of the issues surrounding the necessity to have a certain 'mark' to buy and sell.

    I don't think my ATM card nor barcodes are the problem. The reason i say this is that the other part of the issue is th erequirement to bow down and worship a false god in order to recieve that mark.

    Neither my bank, whos issues my ATM, nor the shops, who use barcodes, have ever forced me to bow down in order to purchase anything. Heck, they couldn't care less who I worship as long as they get their money for the goods or services that I buy.

    In summation: technology in ktself is not evil, it can't be. The purposes for which it is used by man can be.


  • #128
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    PDN wrote: »
    Far be it from me to disagree with Wicknight, but I'm pretty sure passport
     refers to a port as in a seaport. It is French (passer + port).

    You are right it is French, but it "port" more likely refers to "porte" which where the gates of the larger cities. Documents were required to travel between the larger cities, while sea ports on the other hand tended not to have this restriction as they were considered open trading areas.

    A non-Wikipedia source
    http://www.abriggs.com/high_level/us_passports.php


  • #129
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Luas are also doing their bit to get us off cash.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/luas-fares-to-increase-except-on-smartcards-1252316.html


  • #130
    gramlab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 409 ✭✭gramlab


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    It just shows how much you have looked into it. Google 666 /Barcode/RFID and you will get thousands of hits. I have presented you with heaps of proof and they are not from the one person as you seem to think.

    First time poster on this forum so be gentle.

    Is the above supposed to imply that if enough people believe in something it must be right/have merit?
    google e.g. alien abductions real 934000 hits
    no god 68600000
    satan not exist 444000

    Don't pick this up wrong but how many people does it take for something to be right or does the number really matter if an idea, belief etc is so strong that no amount of people or contradictory evidence/indications can alter it.


  • #131
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Interesting. US plans world's largest biometric database.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/22/wfbi122.xml Also http://www.bloggernews.net/112592


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  • #132
    Ciaran500
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    And where does 666 or barcodes come into this?


  • #133
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Luas are also doing their bit to get us off cash.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/luas-fares-to-increase-except-on-smartcards-1252316.html

    Actually they are doing there bit for the environment. Waste tickets are the number one litter found at Luas stations.

    But then screw the environment right, the Apocalypse is just around the corner :rolleyes:


  • #134
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Ciaran500 wrote: »
    And where does 666 or barcodes come into this?
    Its just another step closer towards global fascism .


  • #135
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,217 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    2Scoops wrote: »
    EDIT: Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia - irrational fear of the number 666. Interesting fact for the day:)

    Thanks a lot. You've just triggered my Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia

    (fear of long words)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #136
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    rtdh wrote:
    US plans world's largest biometric database.
    The original WP article is here and I have to say that the description that's there makes no sense at all. For $1 billion, I suspect you'd have a hard time building a reliable biometric database for the people of Vermont (pop 500,000), bearing in mind you'd have to specify the system, develop and debug it, collect and enter all the data, and then keep it all up to date. Trying to do this for the world's population is not going to work. With knobs on.

    In any case, biometric databases are known to be desperately unreliable to start with. And the US's history of maintaining this kind of database is rather less than perfect. See Bruce Schneier's comments on the US's TIDE database which has less than half a million entries and has attracted more cockups than a bangkok brothel:

    http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0704.html#2

    Actually, anybody interested in keeping up to date on security matters should consider subscribing to Schneier's monthly Crypto-Gram newsletter. Backissues can be found here and you can subscribe from this page:

    http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram.html

    Meanwhile, new Australian PM Kevin Rudd has derailed Satan's plan to take over Down Under by canning a plan to spend AU$1.2 billion (US$1 billion) to build a national card scheme for Australia's 17m citizens, in which the cards would have stored little more than very basic personal information.

    http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,22823422-15306,00.html


  • #137
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    robindch wrote: »
    The original WP article is here and I have to say that the description that's there makes no sense at all. For $1 billion, I suspect you'd have a hard time building a reliable biometric database for the people of Vermont (pop 500,000), bearing in mind you'd have to specify the system, develop and debug it, collect and enter all the data, and then keep it all up to date. Trying to do this for the world's population is not going to work. With knobs on.
    Every new system will have teething problems Its a good start for them to get the ball rolling in preparation for the Real ID Act (HR418) rushed in by May 2008. (Anyone living in the States knows about this) This real ID smart card would render useless without keeping all the biometric records on a central database http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act As regards to collecting all this data, that can be done effectivly by passing acts requiring additional biometric information for passports, work visas, social welfare, and driving licences etc (If it has not already being already done). After september 11th people couldnt care less what new security measures were braight in and how fast they were enacted, overnight in some cases.
    robindch wrote: »
    In any case, biometric databases are known to be desperately unreliable to start with. And the US's history of maintaining this kind of database is rather less than perfect.
    So were alott of other new developments in their infancy.
    robindch wrote: »
    Meanwhile, new Australian PM Kevin Rudd has derailed Satan's plan to take over Down Under by canning a plan to spend AU$1.2 billion (US$1 billion) to build a national card scheme for Australia's 17m citizens, in which the cards would have stored little more than very basic personal information.
    http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,22823422-15306,00.html
    I lived in Australia back in the early 90ies ID cards were even talked of back then. The United States Congress has very cleaverly and subtly sneaked in the Real ID card into the states disguised as a "driving licence" trojan horse. If you ever lived in the States your drivers licence is as good as your passport and can be used as an ID for anything from entering a federal building to taking an internal flight. (The current Irish driving license is a joke and will soon be replaced by a europeen "smart card", only a matter of time, this will in effect be Europe's version of the US Real ID card) No doubt Australia will follow. There is no need for a "book" style passport or driving license in this day and age.


  • #138
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Its just another step closer towards global fascism .

    Does it matter to you at all that this doesn't match the prophecy in the Bible?


  • #139
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    Wicknight wrote: »
    Does it matter to you at all that this doesn't match the prophecy in the Bible?

    Indeed, or that the beast in Revelation is actually Nero Redivivus and that therefore all its prophecies and the parousia were supposed to have happened long long ago.


  • #140
    PDN
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    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Indeed, or that the beast in Revelation is actually Nero Redivivus and that therefore all its prophecies and the parousia were supposed to have happened long long ago.

    That is one possible approach to the Book of Revelation, but it would be a minority interpretation.


  • #141
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    PDN wrote: »
    That is one possible approach to the Book of Revelation, but it would be a minority interpretation.

    What is the majority interpretation?


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  • #142
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    PDN wrote: »
    That is one possible approach to the Book of Revelation, but it would be a minority interpretation.

    Surely that is only to be expected given that the majority of people doing the interpretation are orthodox Christians and so have a vested interest in Revelation referring to the future. It would hardly do for them to be using scripture that was admittedly past the best before date.


  • #143
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Indeed, or that the beast in Revelation is actually Nero Redivivus and that therefore all its prophecies and the parousia were supposed to have happened long long ago.
    This was discussed earlier on this thread, Nero tyranny was confined to within the boundaries of the Roman Empire, There is plenty of evidence in to support that the Beast of Revelations goes beyond the boundaries of this.


  • #144
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    This was discussed earlier on this thread, Nero tyranny was confined to within the boundaries of the Roman Empire, There is plenty of evidence in to support that the Beast of Revelations goes beyond the boundaries of this.

    Ya I know some people think they see 'plenty of evidence' but they also see plenty of evidence that Satan wants to barcode me. For anybody looking sensibly at the Apocalypse of John it is patently clear it refers to times past.


  • #145
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Ya I know some people think they see 'plenty of evidence' but they also see plenty of evidence that Satan wants to barcode me.

    :D


  • #146
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    This was discussed earlier on this thread, Nero tyranny was confined to within the boundaries of the Roman Empire, There is plenty of evidence in to support that the Beast of Revelations goes beyond the boundaries of this.

    At the time that was most of the known world.


  • #147
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Wicknight wrote: »
    At the time that was most of the known world.
    It may have been most of the known world it but not all of it, Revelations 13 states "He caused ALL to receive", I assume this means everyone. There was also no technology to enforce such a system back then.


  • #148
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Ya I know some people think they see 'plenty of evidence' but they also see plenty of evidence that Satan wants to barcode me. For anybody looking sensibly at the Apocalypse of John it is patently clear it refers to times past.

    So your definition of 'looking sensibly' is one that agrees with your viewpoint? Don't you think that's a tad arrogant?

    The fact is that plenty of intelligent and sensible scholars subscribe to each of the various interpretations of Revelation, namely:
    1. The Preterist View - maintains that the events were fulfilled shortly after the Apocalypse was written.
    2. The Historicist View - the events in Revelation span the history of the earth from the time of it's composition up until the Return of Christ.
    3. The Futurist View - most of Revelation looks forward to events taking place shortly before the Second Coming.
    4. The Symbolic View - the events can apply to a variety of historical contexts and also to any future scenario.

    Most Christians have, throughout history, stressed the future aspect of much of Revelation - therefore being Historicists or Futurists.


  • #149
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    It may have been most of the known world it but not all of it, Revelations 13 states "He caused ALL to receive", I assume this means everyone. There was also no technology to enforce such a system back then.

    There is no technology to enforce it now. 1/2 of the worlds population don't have piped running water, you are worried about bar codes and RFID tags?


  • #150
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    PDN wrote: »
    So your definition of 'looking sensibly' is one that agrees with your viewpoint? Don't you think that's a tad arrogant?

    The fact is that plenty of intelligent and sensible scholars subscribe to each of the various interpretations of Revelation, namely:
    1. The Preterist View - maintains that the events were fulfilled shortly after the Apocalypse was written.
    2. The Historicist View - the events in Revelation span the history of the earth from the time of it's composition up until the Return of Christ.
    3. The Futurist View - most of Revelation looks forward to events taking place shortly before the Second Coming.
    4. The Symbolic View - the events can apply to a variety of historical contexts and also to any future scenario.

    Most Christians have, throughout history, stressed the future aspect of much of Revelation - therefore being Historicists or Futurists.

    AFAIK this book only made it into the canon by the skin of its teeth and the majority of Christians have therefore had this scripture foisted upon them. The only real option open to one in such a position as they is to take a Historicist or Futurist view. Indeed it is entirely from the minds of such people that these views are derived.

    John's Apocalypse clearly talks about the end time being imminent. A gap of nigh on two millenia has passed and still no Parousia. If those who had first heard John of Patmos speak of his vision were still alive today I can't help but feel they would have given up waiting and gone home long ago. IMO this is a piece of apocrypha that has nothing of Jesus in it and although my dismissal of it seems arrogant I hope it does not seem unthinking.


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  • #151
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Wicknight wrote: »
    There is no technology to enforce it now. 1/2 of the worlds population don't have piped running water, you are worried about bar codes and RFID tags?
    Bar codes have existed and have been used in all these countries ever since they came out, there is not one country in the world not using them. It is also an offense in most of these countrys not to carry valid ID at all times. If anywhere I can see these places being the first to enforce this technology.


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