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666 Mark of the Beast.

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  • #92
    Adyx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭Adyx


    I was going to try my hand at explaining the concept of guard bars to RTDH but I've already given up in desperation. RTDH, you've said yourself that you believe the guard bars are computer generated and not by design.
    It took several years for this code to be cracked after iit came out. I believe the coding was computer generated and not intentional to contain his number.

    One more time though the guard bars in bar codes were not designed to be number, they cannot be read as a number by man or machine and they do not look like a number.


  • #93
    Adyx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,997 ✭✭✭Adyx


    Also slightly off-topic:
    JimiTime wrote: »
    ^^ I never realised that scripture before. the whole thing of buying and selling etc. interesting. Fo those who say Nero was what was being referred to, did nero give a mark to folk in order to trade etc? Revelation is a great book to sink ur teeth into. Obviously not for a non-believer, as they just think its rubbish, but for the faithful, gr8 IMO!!!

    I am a non-believer but I don't think its rubbish (or any part of the bible). I may not believe it but it certainly is interesting. I don't mean for that to sound condescending btw.


  • #94
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Adyx wrote: »
    I was going to try my hand at explaining the concept of guard bars to RTDH but I've already given up in desperation. RTDH, you've said yourself that you believe the guard bars are computer generated and not by design. One more time though the guard bars in bar codes were not designed to be number, they cannot be read as a number by man or machine and they do not look like a number.
    Then explain this. http://www.indexoftheweb.com/Patriot/TheMark.htm
    http://www.whale.to/b/bar.html


  • #95
    Cathy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Cathy


    It's already been explained to you why they aren't the same. You claim to understand binary, but then say that the spaces don't matter?


  • #96
    BrianCalgary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭BrianCalgary


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    They do represent numbers and if you had any bit of intelligence you could be able to work them out.

    Carefull RTDH. This is not a good post. If I was in the same mood I was in two weeks ago you'd have gotten banned.

    But I'm in a much better frame of mind and will just warn you.


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  • #97
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Blue_Lagoon wrote: »
    666? Would you live in a flat with that address? We had one in our old flat complex. It's upstairs too...
    It wouldn't bother me at all if my reg, flat or phone contained this number. If you want to find out interesting 666 trivia the Internet is full of it.
    http://www.av1611.org/666/rock_666.html
    http://www.geocities.com/landmarkbiblebaptist/Prophecy/666Calculator.html

    Check out the following phone number prefixes for an Garda Siochana Dublin Metropolitan region!. http://www.garda.ie/statlinks/dma.html


  • #98
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    BrianCalgary wrote: »
    Carefull RTDH. This is not a good post. If I was in the same mood I was in two weeks ago you'd have gotten banned.

    But I'm in a much better frame of mind and will just warn you.
    Sorry Brian.


  • #99
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    PDN wrote: »
    Or indeed Paul (1 Corinthians 10:14). The Old Testament prohibition of idolatry is reinforced in the New Testament, which indicates it is a moral issue (as with murder, theft or adultery) rather than a ceremonial issue (as with circumcision, the rites of temple worship or sabbath observance).

    So Christians are not allowed make images of anything in the sky, on Earth or in the sea.

    Considering the amount of Christian art out there I find that a little hard to believe


  • #100
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Its in fact three pairs of two thin black lines representing the "guard bars".
    A single guide bar is one pair of two thin black lines with a white line in the middle, representing the binary number 101 (5 in decimal)

    You say it represents the numeral "6" in the translation system. I'm telling you that you are wrong, that in the UPC numbering system a "6" is represented by 1010000 (80 in decimal).

    Its pretty simple really.

    The fact that 1010000 has a "101" at the beginning of it is as irrelevant. They are two completely different numbers, in the same way that "7083" is a completely different number to "7".
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I keep on repeating my self on this one but you are either blind or incapable of working out this simple mathematical problem.

    We are way beyond simple mathematics here RTDH ... we are into stuff kids learn in kidergarden, like that the number 789 is different to the number 7, and that 7+8+9 does not equal 789.

    I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that conversion between binary and decimal is throwing you off some what.

    Needless to say the number 1010000 (80) is no relation to the number 101 (5)


  • #101
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    Wicknight wrote: »
    So Christians are not allowed make images of anything in the sky, on Earth or in the sea.

    Considering the amount of Christian art out there I find that a little hard to believe

    No, that is not what I said. Christians are not allowed to make images for the purpose of worship. Muslims do indeed interpret prohibitions against idolatry so as to ban all representation of living beings (hence Islamic art often consists of geometric patterns etc), but the vast majority of Christians see art for purposes other than worship as entirely right and proper.

    My post was simply correcting the apparent misapprehension regarding the applicability of the Old Testament prohibition of idolatry to Christians.


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  • #102
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Wicknight wrote: »
    A single guide bar is one pair of two thin black lines with a white line in the middle, representing the binary number 101 (5 in decimal)

    You say it represents the numeral "6" in the translation system. I'm telling you that you are wrong, that in the UPC numbering system a "6" is represented by 1010000 (80 in decimal).

    Its pretty simple really.

    The fact that 1010000 has a "101" at the beginning of it is as irrelevant. They are two completely different numbers, in the same way that "7083" is a completely different number to "7".



    We are way beyond simple mathematics here RTDH ... we are into stuff kids learn in kidergarden, like that the number 789 is different to the number 7, and that 7+8+9 does not equal 789.

    I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that conversion between binary and decimal is throwing you off some what.

    Needless to say the number 1010000 (80) is no relation to the number 101 (5)
    I am giving up hitting my head off a solid brick wall trying to explain this to you. I am taking this no further. You can Google the subject and try to argue your case to the countless thousands of websites covering this topic.


  • #103
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    PDN wrote: »
    but the vast majority of Christians see art for purposes other than worship as entirely right and proper.

    Fair enough. I could ask why do they choose to interpret it that way, but I guess that is a whole other thread....


  • #104
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I am giving up hitting my head off a solid brick wall trying to explain this to you. I am taking this no further. You can Google the subject and try to argue your case to the countless thousands of websites covering this topic.

    Well to be honest I don't recall you ever trying to explain anything.

    I just remember you linking to a bunch of websites and calling everyone else stupid for not accepting what was on the websites despite the fact that what is one the websites is wrong or the website itself says that the guide bars do not represent 666.

    So to be honest one is felt with the strange feeling that you never quite got this yourself. Not to worry we have all been there.

    As for the maths. Well that is the simplest bit.

    101 != 1010000


  • #105
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Wicknight wrote: »
    Well to be honest I don't recall you ever trying to explain anything.

    I just remember you linking to a bunch of websites and calling everyone else stupid for not accepting what was on the websites despite the fact that what is one the websites is wrong or the website itself says that the guide bars do not represent 666.

    So to be honest one is felt with the strange feeling that you never quite got this yourself. Not to worry we have all been there.

    As for the maths. Well that is the simplest bit.

    101 != 1010000
    It is impossible to explain to anyone without a proper breakdown of the UPC/EAN chart of binary code. One cannot get the graphics images or details needed. Thats why I posted you several links to clear expliced charts both from Christian and secular sites on this subject.

    You have yet to show me a link to any website with clear explicid charts that discredits this theory.


  • #106
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    rtdh wrote:
    Then explain this. http://www.indexoftheweb.com/Patriot/TheMark.htm
    Some guy wrote:
    What I am sure of is that any new device (Smart Card, Implantable Microchip or other such device) MUST have the 666 markers imbedded within it in order to be decoded by existing equipment at the cash register.
    It's not necessary for smartcards to have barcodes (I've seen almost none in ten years; do check the standards I've pointed you towards) and trying to get a barcode scanner to work with a smartcard is a bit like trying to read a DVD with a 78-rpm record player. Not of course that I'd expect a dose of engineering reality to impinge much upon this guy's pop-eyed buffoonery.

    Just out of interest and without going back to the existence or otherwise of 6's in barcodes: have you ever considered the possibility that you may be wrong on this?


  • #107
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    robindch wrote: »
    It's not necessary for smartcards to have barcodes (I've seen almost none in ten years; do check the standards I've pointed you towards)
    Just out of interest and without going back to the existence or otherwise of 6's in barcodes: have you ever considered the possibility that you may be wrong on this?
    Many of those sites I have posted on this subject may be several years old. Having bar codes on a modern smart cards may be compaired to a computer manufacturer sill installing 3 1/2" floppy drives on their latest pc's. Although barcoding is way outdated it still have some benefits as a back up for data. Barcoding has the advantages over the mag strip in that its data is optical is not effected by a magnetic field. It also has its advantages over the smart chip in that it is impossible to electronically clone and impossible to skim. and is totally resistant to EMP
    robindch wrote: »
    and trying to get a barcode scanner to work with a smartcard is a bit like trying to read a DVD with a 78-rpm record player. Not of course that I'd expect a dose of engineering reality to impinge much upon this guy's pop-eyed buffoonery.
    Hybrid RFID/Barcode scanners have been on the market for several years. http://www.rfidgazette.org/2004/06/psc_to_debut_wo.html


  • #108
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    rtdh wrote:
    It also has its advantages over the smart chip in that it is impossible to electronically clone and impossible to skim.
    That sentence must be the most amazingly inaccurate thing I've heard on this forum, and that's really saying something.

    You may have forgotten this post from earlier today where I pointed out that you need to spend a huge amount of money (low to mid-six figures is the usual industry estimate) to compromise (clone or otherwise fake) a single EMV card for no certain return.

    Barcodes, on the other hand, can be fully 'skimmed' with a $2 reader, or, if the budget's tight, for $0 by a punter with one of the UPC guides from above, together with a sheet of paper and a pencil.

    So, I'm inclined to ask again -- given that your knowledge of this area still falls slightly short of 100% perfect, do you ever give much consideration to the possibility that you may be wrong in all of this?

    .


  • #109
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    robindch wrote: »
    That sentence must be the most amazingly inaccurate thing I've heard on this forum, and that's really saying something. Barcodes, on the other hand, can be fully 'skimmed' with a $2 reader, or, if the budget's tight, for $0 by a punter with one of the UPC guides from above, together with a sheet of paper and a pencil..
    Maybe some of the imformation I picked up is out dated, as I have mentioned already some of the books and websites i have on this subject are well over ten years old some more than twenty which gives even more credibility to this subject. The 666 incorporated into the UPC /EAN code has not changed one bit over its 30 year life and it is only a matter of time it will be replaced by RFID technology.

    I would love to see you try and duplicate the bar code on my library card with a "pencil and paper"


  • #110
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    You have yet to show me a link to any website with clear explicid charts that discredits this theory.

    The simple mathematical statement 101 != 1010000 discredits this theory.

    In UPC "1010000" represents "6". "101" doesn't represent anything.

    This theory is based solely on the fact that 101 kinda looks like 1010000 when the zeros are represented as white space, which is read by machines but is normally ignored by humans.

    Its the same as the way "750000" may look like "75" to someone who doesn't understand that the "0"s mean something.

    That it. There is no more to this theory. There, discredited. Moving on
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I would love to see you try and duplicate the bar code on my library card with a "pencil and paper"

    Its pretty easy if you know what you are doing precisely because of the systems set up such as the guide rules. You just have to make sure your proportions are correct, you can make the barcode bigger than a printed one so long as the ratios between the black and the white remain the same.


  • #111
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Wicknight wrote: »
    The simple mathematical statement 101 != 1010000 discredits this theory.

    In UPC "1010000" represents "6". "101" doesn't represent anything.

    This theory is based solely on the fact that 101 kinda looks like 1010000 when the zeros are represented as white space, which is read by machines but is normally ignored by humans.

    Its the same as the way "750000" may look like "75" to someone who doesn't understand that the "0"s mean something.

    That it. There is no more to this theory. There, discredited. Moving on



    Its pretty easy if you know what you are doing precisely because of the systems set up such as the guide rules. You just have to make sure your proportions are correct, you can make the barcode bigger than a printed one so long as the ratios between the black and the white remain the same.
    Post links to any good web site that has a detailed breakdown of this code that discredits this hidden number theory.


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  • #112
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    There you go:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055122906&page=6


  • #113
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Post links to any good web site that has a detailed breakdown of this code that discredits this hidden number theory.

    Certainly

    http://www.jetcityorange.com/barcodes/666/
    http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/barcode.asp
    http://www.virtualsalt.com/barcode.htm

    Everything they say is summaries by what I've already explained, that "6" in the UPC bar code system is represented by a 1010000 where as the guard lines are 101, and (all together now kids)

    1010000 != 101


  • #114
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Wicknight wrote: »
    Certainly

    http://www.jetcityorange.com/barcodes/666/
    http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/barcode.asp
    http://www.virtualsalt.com/barcode.htm
    Everything they say is summaries by what I've already explained, that "6" in the UPC bar code system is represented by a 1010000 where as the guard lines are 101, and (all together now kids)1010000 != 101
    This information is very vague, I asked you for a detailed chart like the following. The Charts you present are only working from a single set of line pairs from 0 to 9. which obviously are not going to work out.

    The UPC/EAN uses two complete cases of figures (odd and even parity, see chart) from 0 to 9 making a total of 20 pairs, and an adittional set of 0,4,5,6,7making of 25 different combenations of bars in all. (three combinations are used for the number 6 alone.) ie two thin lines that are used in all guard bars, there is also a thin and a thick line and a single line (very rarely used).

    http://www.av1611.org/666/barcode.html
    http://www.rense.com/general20/666.htm
    http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=44688387&groupID=101949056&adTopicID=27&Mytoken=13C98DF0-7D6B-4D37-A759744CA08DDA2F47577517

    The barcode kicked the door down into the "digital world". Everything is now a number. Everything gets a barcode. "If it exists, bar code it". The barcode is now old hat, dated, slow, unreliable, and is just about to go.

    It is about too give way to a new wonderful technology that will appear IN every single bus/rail pass, credit card, smart card, library card, flight ticket, Concert & football match ticket, passport, euro note, toll road pass, driving license, national ID card, cat, dog, pet, every retail item and eventually YOU! Welcome to the world of RFID and the "Mark of the Beast" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID where every single purchace and movement one will make will be pinpointed on this planet. Dont anyone dare step out of line or they will be refused the privilage of "buying or selling" It will make old communist Russia out to be like a Kindergarten.

    Satan has very carefully and subtlety indoctrinated us to our wonderful, convenient, new "digital world"


  • #115
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    rtdh wrote:
    Maybe some of the imformation I picked up is out dated, as I have mentioned already some of the books and websites i have on this subject are well over ten years old some more than twenty which gives even more credibility to this subject.
    The information that you are reading is not out of date, or more accurate because it is really old, it is wrong. WRONG. W-R-O-N-G. I work in this area. This is how I earn money. In short, I know what I'm talking about. And I suspect that if I were so inclined, I could sit here patiently and pointlessly explaining where you are going wrong in your understanding until I died of old age. Same for Wicknight who must have as much good will and patience as he has spare time.
    rtdh wrote:
    I would love to see you try and duplicate the bar code on my library card with a "pencil and paper"
    ok, maybe a ruler would help if you have a shaky wrist. Still, it would cost less than a dollar all in.

    Anyhow, given that I've tried to answer your questions as best I can, perhaps you might take a few minutes to answer mine? Here they are again:
    robindch wrote:
    1. Given that your knowledge of this area still falls slightly short of 100% perfect, do you ever give much consideration to the possibility that you may be wrong in all of this?

    2. There is no central 'world' database and even if there was, how on earth is a list of seven hundred types of baked bean or whatever going to help herald the coming of the spawn of satan?


  • #116
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    robindch wrote: »
    Given that your knowledge of this area still falls slightly short of 100% perfect, do you ever give much consideration to the possibility that you may be wrong in all of this?
    I have already admitted that my knowledge may be out dated because much of the material on this subject comes from books and information that could be as old as 25 years. However the Bible cannot be wrong and is defnitally not outdated when it predicts that a time will come when one cannot make a purchase transaction on this planet without a mark in the body synonymous with the number 666.
    robindch wrote: »
    There is no central 'world' database and even if there was, how on earth is a list of seven hundred types of baked bean or whatever going to help herald the coming of the spawn of satan?
    Whats the whole point in keeping any world standard at all without keeping a record of everything. One would only have total confusion, I.E. duplication of codes on different items. It just would not work http://www.autoid.org/Primer/ean_upc.htm


  • #117
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    You never explained how this will help ha-Satan


  • #118
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    This information is very vague
    Its not vague at all, its perfectly clear, its just telling you something you don't want to accept because you are hung up on the Apocalypse.

    But as for "vague", lets have a look at the explanation from one of your sources
    Look again. . . All three guard bars contain the pattern "bar-space-bar" or "101". There is only ONE number, in TWENTY numbers (remember right and left numbers have different patterns) that contains the "101" pattern and that number is the right code SIX. Not the number one, or two, or three, etc. — but ONLY the right code SIX. I do seem to remember something about a mark on the RIGHT hand (Rev. 13:16).

    Technically, from a computer's perspective the number "666" is NOT in the UPC barcode. . . but from a human's perspective — YES, the "appearance" of 666 is there!

    Nonsense. And vague nonsense at that.

    The guy is basically saying that because "1010000" (which translates to a "6") has a "101" at the start, and that the guide rules are "101" that means that the guide rules represent a "6"

    This person is an idiot. Plain and simple. There is no fancy mathematics behind this nonsense at all RTDHs. There isn't some fancy encoding scheme going on. This person is just stupid.

    Its like saying that because the character "4" has a "-" line running through the middle of it, any time you see a "-" that is actually representing a "4"

    Or saying that 8 and 6 are the same because a 6 is an 8 with a bit of the top right rubbed out.

    Nonsense of the highest order.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The Charts you present are only working from a single set of line pairs from 0 to 9. which obviously are not going to work out.

    What do you mean obviously not going to work out? Explain why they aren't going to work out. Heck, explain what you mean by "work out" Work out what exactly?
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The UPC/EAN uses two complete cases of figures (odd and even parity, see chart) from 0 to 9 making a total of 20 pairs, and an adittional set of 0,4,5,6,7making of 25 different combenations of bars in all. (three combinations are used for the number 6 alone.) ie two thin lines that are used in all guard bars, there is also a thin and a thick line and a single line (very rarely used).

    That is fascinating but none of it changes the fact that all 3 of those websites you link to are basing this theory solely on the idea that "1010000" kinda sort if you squint your eyes and don't look properly looks like "101" if you ignore all the zeros that come after it.

    Again you talk about parity bits and encoding combinations as if there is some fancy maths behind this theory. There isn't. Its people looking at two numbers

    101 and 1010000

    and saying that they kinda look similar so we are going to assume they represent the same thing, ie a "6"
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The barcode kicked the door down into the "digital world". Everything is now a number.
    No, everything that is for sale is a number, and merchants have been cataloging merchandise for hundreds of years.

    The bar code was simply a modern way of doing it, but merchants have always kept detailed records of what stock they owned and how much they had and when they needed to get more in.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    It is about too give way to a new wonderful technology that will appear IN every single bus/rail pass, credit card, smart card, library card, flight ticket, Concert & football match ticket, passport, euro note, toll road pass, driving license, national ID card, cat, dog, pet, every retail item and eventually YOU!
    And?

    This is bad because it contains the mark of the beast (it doesn't) or just because you are appear to be a Luddite who feels threatened by modern technology.

    For example, you mentioned pets. People have been putting collars on their cats and dogs since time immortal. Putting a RFID tag on a pet is exactly the same, its just contains more information on a smaller area.

    None of this is new, its simply a new way of doing an old thing. Humans have always cataloged and organized things, since civilization began.
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Dont anyone dare step out of line or they will be refused the privilage of "buying or selling"

    There has been regulation covering commerce since ancient times RTDH. It has nothing to do with chip n pin or RFID or barcodes. New ways of doing old old things.

    Plus the mark of the beast isn't found on any of these things.

    Plus the mark of the beast is supposed to the mark of a man, the anti-Christ. Pretty sure the guy who invented the bar code wasn't the anti-Christ :rolleyes:


  • #119
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Wicknight wrote: »
    Its not vague at all, its perfectly clear, its just telling you something you don't want to accept because you are hung up on the Apocalypse. But as for "vague", lets have a look at the explanation from one of your sources Nonsense. And vague nonsense at that. The guy is basically saying that because "1010000" (which translates to a "6") has a "101" at the start, and that the guide rules are "101" that means that the guide rules represent a "6" :
    Wicknight wrote: »
    This person is an idiot. Plain and simple. :
    What person? It is plastered throughout the Internet in every language of the world.


    It just shows how much you have looked into it. Google 666 /Barcode/RFID and you will get thousands of hits. I have presented you with heaps of proof and they are not from the one person as you seem to think.
    Wicknight wrote: »
    There is no fancy mathematics behind this nonsense at all RTDHs. There isn't some fancy encoding scheme going on. This person is just stupid. 0101111
    Whose this person you are on about?
    Show me his website.

    The number 6 and the three guard bars are NOT the same. They do "appear" to be identical, but they are different.


    First 101
    Middle 01010
    End 1010000

    Notice. The beginning and ending guard bars are "bar-space-bar" or "101" (the B in the above table). The middle guard bar is "space-bar-space-bar-space" or "01010" (the M in the above table). The number six is "1010000" (the 6 in the above table).

    Technically a barcode number consists of seven units. The beginning and ending guard bars are only three units, and middle guard bar is only five units.

    From a computer's perspective the number "666" is NOT in the UPC barcode, this is why it dose not register on a scanner.
    Wicknight wrote: »
    This is bad because it contains the mark of the beast (it doesn't) or just because you are appear to be a Luddite who feels threatened by modern technology.
    There is nothing Evil about the barcode or RFID, but how it can be used against you is a different story. There is current uproar in the States over the REAL ID act (HR 418) and its preposed RFID based "All in one" identity card due to be law by next may. It is only a matter of time before Europe follows.

    You would want to have your head in the sand these days to see your personal rights being erroded with these "great" new modern security and convenience tools.

    The "Oyster card" can pinpoint your location right through out the London transit system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster_card (Wait and see I guarantee that CIE will buy this wonderful new technology)
    RFID security passes that notify staff how long you have been sitting on the can reading the Times or the Sun. And also track every room that you havr entered throughout a factory by checking records from portal scanners.
    RFID based toll passes have the potentiial of notifing your location anywhere in the country. (I would roll it up in a ball of foil and shove it in the glove compartment if I wasn't using it)
    GPS tracking devices that pinpoint every move you make in a company car.
    RFID cards that can check your id with out even being removed from your wallet or pocket.
    Your mobile phone is a tracking device.
    BTW RFID blocking wallets are on the market. http://www.difrwear.com/
    Wicknight wrote: »
    For example, you mentioned pets. People have been putting collars on their cats and dogs since time immortal. Putting a RFID tag on a pet is exactly the same, its just contains more information on a smaller area.
    Nothing wrong with RFID on pets, infact it is a benefit because if someone gets bitten by a stray dog they can track its owner.
    Wicknight wrote: »
    Plus the mark of the beast isn't found on any of these things. Plus the mark of the beast is supposed to the mark of a man, the anti-Christ. Pretty sure the guy who invented the bar code wasn't the anti-Christ :rolleyes:
    When Alfred Nobel invented dynamite he was unaware of its potential.

    There has been many "AntiChrists" read 1John.2:18-19. Accepting the "Mark of the beast" is about submitting onself to a totalitarian regeime near at the end of the church age just before the second coming of Christ. For centuries this prophecy has been a mystery to the world on how anyone could control global commerce by marks in the hand and forehead but in the last number of years it has become feasible.

    We are told of a world dictator who will be a counterfeit of Christ inspired by Satan who will controll the world. It is to be the final test for mankind for those that believe and those that don't. Christians cannot accept this mark.


  • #120
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    rtdh wrote:
    I have already admitted that my knowledge may be out dated because much of the material on this subject comes from books and information that could be as old as 25 years. However the Bible cannot be wrong and is defnitally not outdated when it predicts that a time will come when one cannot make a purchase transaction on this planet without a mark in the body synonymous with the number 666.
    Ok, I'll take that to mean that you have considered that you might be wrong on this!
    rtdh wrote:
    Whats the whole point in keeping any world standard at all without keeping a record of everything. One would only have total confusion, I.E. duplication of codes on different items.
    With UPC, for example, the first part of the code is allocated by international agreement, the next bit identifies the manufacturer and is allocated by a national (or sometimes international) organization. The final bit is allocated by the manufacturer themselves and is not provided to the national/international organization which gave them their manufacturer code. See how this works here.

    There are lots of organizations allocating these manufacturer codes, and consequently, there are plenty of instances where UPC-A codes clash with each other across national boundaries, industries, shops and the like.

    And even if every manufacturer did contribute to this non-existent central database -- a massively wasteful outpouring of bureaucratic energy in itself -- well, what happens then? How would this international database help herald the coming of satan?

    I just don't see the link at all.


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  • #121
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    robindch wrote: »
    There are lots of organizations allocating these manufacturer codes, and consequently, there are plenty of instances where UPC-A codes clash with each other
    .
    According to your philosophy any Tom Dick and Harry can purchase a barcode printer for about e300 and indiscriminitally spit them out and they clash just choose another number.

    There are serious fines for not registering and failure to comply to rules and regulations with EAN/UPC. http://fzj.sz.gov.cn/en/246.asp also http://www.insightu.org/hobby/guide_mfr/ch10.htm#10.7_SellingUnit

    Article 5 "All the product codes for use shall be registered. No unit or individual may fabricate a product code or use other product code".

    Article 23 Anyone who engages in code printing business without applying for a qualification certificate of printing to the code competent department in violation of the provisions of Article 17 of these Rules shall be imposed a fine of 1 to 3 times of his illegal gains.
    robindch wrote: »
    And even if every manufacturer did contribute to this non-existent central database -- a massively wasteful outpouring of bureaucratic energy in itself -- well, what happens then? How would this international database help herald the coming of satan?
    Not having a central database would be a massively wasteful outpouring of bureaucratic energy, You would have total confusion with several international departments making up and enforcing different rules.
    robindch wrote: »
    How would this international database help herald the coming of satan?
    Like anything ever invented by man it can be used and abused.


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