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Hypocrites

  • 08-12-2007 02:21AM
    #1
    TerrorFirmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭


    Funny how no-one else seems to have mentioned it, but surely everyone remembers the 'Do you do cocaine' thread from a a few weeks back?

    Interestingly, a lot of the very same people blasting Katy French for being an idiot (lets not bother naming names), undeserving of sympathy due to what's alleged to be her cause of death and in extreme cases, deserving of her fate, have actually posted on that thread, admitting they've done cocaine, some of them rating it positively and with ample suggestion that it's just 'a laugh'.

    And don't even bother trying to say it was her stupidity in overdosing, mixing, or whatever, the moral issue behind the vast majority of abuse directed towards the recently deceased was on the basis that she simply took drugs, with many people actually insisting that she was effectively linked to and part responsible for gangland murder. Why don't you go back and visit the thread then, and see how many 'murderers' there are on boards here among us? You might be surprised.

    Moral: Katy French was unfortunately a victim of what is far beyond a rarity yet no one seems prepared to acknowledge how deep or indeed locally the problem runs, merely casually dismissing it's advocates as 'scumbags' behind the safety of the internet. I don't remember anyone posting on the cocaine thread calling the users scumbags responsible for murder, crime and degeneration of modern society, but I suppose, they were actually alive at the time. Maybe if they actually pass on untimely, we'll have a few more out to blacken their name in a large thread. :rolleyes:

    the sound of a bandwagon gathering pace an irresistible call...


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  • #2
    Dr. Hesselius
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11 ✭Dr. Hesselius


    I've taken cocaine in the past. In fact, I can remember several nights where I took a lot of cocaine. I took it because it's a fantastic drug. I may take it again in the future. I never had a drug problem, I never became addicted, and apart from a lighter wallet, I suffered no ill effects whatsoever from sporadic cocaine use.

    But just because I've taken cocaine doesn't imply that I can't comment negatively on Katy French and her drug use. I couldn't give a toss that she took cocaine. What bugged me was the woman herself. She lied, obviously, when she stated recently that she had stopped taking cocaine. Given how resourceful your average tabloid journalist is, it's almost inconceivable to think that the newspapers didn't know she took cocaine. And yet they attempted to build an empire around her by portraying her as a wholesome little thing.

    It's not drug use that bothers me. It's the ****ing hypocrisy of almost every party involved in this Katy French fiasco that bothers me. I doubt I'm alone in this.


  • #3
    l3LoWnA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭l3LoWnA


    LINK TO THREAD

    I wasn't being a hypocrite - not sure who you are aiming this at HavoK?


  • #4
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    I was blasting French even though in the other thread I've admitted to doing coke before (but never regularly).

    There is definitely something to be said about overdosing and mixing. I've mixed drugs before and I can safely call myself a fooking muppet for doing so and am glad I lived through it.
    I have never though went nuts on it and have always been careful with my intake of any given drug.

    Going ballistic and snorting loads, mixing it with other drugs (speculation but I think we can include alcohol here) etc is absolutely idiotic. Excluding badly cut coke, taken with precaution and in regulated doses, the chances of it killing you really depend on the state of your heart before taking it, which you should have a good idea of if you're going to dabble in drugs anyway. There's enough information available about drugs to say "Do not mix or go OTT with them as the chances are if you do you'll f*ck yourself up" so it's easy to say from the viewpoint of someone whos taken precautions and been careful when dabbling that someone who's ignored these warnings is a f*cking muppet and can only blame themselves for whatever consequences it causes.


  • #5
    Timans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Timans


    Havok

    Nail. On. Head


  • #6
    gcgirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭gcgirl


    i might have smoked a bit of blow in my time but never did E, speed or coke that was a step too far! manage to warn off a friend who was considering taking speed she had a heart murmer , personaly i usually say each to their own ! though i do and will always have the opinion that us irish have more a prolem with our drink culture than anything else!


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  • #7
    l3LoWnA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭l3LoWnA


    rb_ie wrote: »
    I was blasting French even though in the other thread I've admitted to doing coke before (but never regularly).

    There is definitely something to be said about overdosing and mixing. I've mixed drugs before and I can safely call myself a fooking muppet for doing so and am glad I lived through it.
    I have never though went nuts on it and have always been careful with my intake of any given drug.

    So have you read the toxicology report and do you know exactly how Katy French actually died or from what or what exactly she had injested and/or snorted and how much and over what period of time? Do you KNOW or are you presuming you know (from reading the tabloids) exactly how regularly katy french took drugs?

    If not, shame on you for blasting her. There aren't many cocaine users, that don't, at the very least, mix it with a few alcoholic beverages.

    You say you've mixed drugs and would call yourself a muppet for doing so yet in the same paragraph you say you've always been careful with your intake of drugs? You've either been a muppet or you haven't at the end of the day?
    Going ballistic and snorting loads, mixing it with other drugs (speculation but I think we can include alcohol here) etc is absolutely idiotic. Excluding badly cut coke, taken with precaution and in regulated doses, the chances of it killing you really depend on the state of your heart before taking it, which you should have a good idea of if you're going to dabble in drugs anyway. There's enough information available about drugs to say "Do not mix or go OTT with them as the chances are if you do you'll f*ck yourself up" so it's easy to say from the viewpoint of someone whos taken precautions and been careful when dabbling that someone who's ignored these warnings is a f*cking muppet and can only blame themselves for whatever consequences it causes.

    I understand where you're coming from in everything else you've posted, (ie. going overboard and not being sensible in your approach to drugs is what usually will kill a person etc....) but you are smelling slightly of hypocrisy :eek:


  • #8
    HashSlinging
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭HashSlinging


    Nail on the head. I killed the other thread so im not saying anything else.


  • #9
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    l3LoWnA wrote: »
    So have you read the toxicology report and do you know exactly how Katy French actually died or from what or what exactly she had injested and/or snorted and how much and over what period of time? Do you KNOW or are you presuming you know (from reading the tabloids) exactly how regularly katy french took drugs?

    She said she started doing coke since she was 19, but "has recently stopped" although there's now evidence about that.
    Unless the cut of the drug was extremely, and I mean EXTREMELY bad then I doubt it was from being careful with it.
    You say you've mixed drugs and would call yourself a muppet for doing so yet in the same paragraph you say you've always been careful with your intake of drugs? You've either been a muppet or you haven't at the end of the day?

    I didn't proof read that. I meant 99/100 times I've been careful. One night I mixed drugs and nothing happened but it's not something that'd be repeated. That's obviously not to say I've done coke 100 times though.


  • #10
    gcgirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭gcgirl


    You still did it!! Theres no point going on about someone else, what is wrote in the papers could be nonscence most of what is wrote in the paper esp the sindo is a load of bull!


  • #11
    MagicMarker
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    I'm sleepy. *yawns*

    Also, rb_ie, that one time you mixed drugs could have been your last. You were stupid enough to do it once, so you're probably stupid enough to do it again, as are countless people in Ireland. No offence intended.

    I still don't get the whole 'cocaine' thing anyway. Pretty pointless at the end of the day.


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  • #12
    gcgirl
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    Lets all cut some baby powder and see what that does shove that up me nose! maybe not ! though i have had Breadsoda in milk to take away heartburn!!


  • #13
    Requiem4adream
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Requiem4adream


    Rb_ie i find your stance on this issue extremely disingenuous. So f'n what if she said she stopped doing it? In life people say things all the time that are true at that moment in time - "ive given up the fags" or "im going to cut out the booze for a few months" or "cutting down on the junk food". Going back on these things and having a sneaky smoke or a McDonalds isn't most peoples idea of a brazen hypocrite, even if it does meet the dictionary definition of the word.

    She was in the public eye, whether warranted or not is totally irrelevant, fact is she has died apparently from cocaine use/abuse and if the net result of her death is highlighting the issue then that's something positive to have come from a sad event.


  • #14
    MagicMarker
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    gcgirl wrote: »
    Lets all cut some baby powder and see what that does shove that up me nose! maybe not ! though i have had Breadsoda in milk to take away heartburn!!
    You do that.


  • #15
    gcgirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭gcgirl


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    You do that.

    what the baby powder or the breadsoda? i don't get the whole coke thing or injecting thing ! i can go out and enjoy myself even when i am sober!


  • #16
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    gcgirl wrote: »
    what the baby powder or the breadsoda? i don't get the whole coke thing or injecting thing ! i can go out and enjoy myself even when i am sober!
    Are you sober now?


  • #17
    gcgirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭gcgirl


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Are you sober now?


    yep very!!


  • #18
    gcgirl
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    My point with the baby powder and the bread soda is that some people might had seen ab fab years ago and Patsy had got caught in customs with a white powder (she thoght it was coke) but it turned out it was talcing powder ! so you could prob see any off as coke as long as it looks like it!


  • #19
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Off the subject of Katy French and on the subject of hypocrites;

    My housemate bangs on the floor of his bedroom anytime I bring friends home at anytime past 11pm on a weekday and yet he has no problem bringing his friends home at 6am on a friday and making a ****load of noise.

    And now I have to go in for 12 hours of work today and I am unbelievably exhausted right now and have work again tomorrow morning.


  • #20
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Seriously,who gives a bollix about who was taking cocaine or not.

    What bothers me is the media frenzy generated by the death of a person,who by her own admission used the media big time to further her own ambitions.

    Now I of course am very sorry the girl died,but attributing icon status to her,as appears to be happening, is a bit over the top imho.

    It really underlines the ease in which people of a certain status and background can manipulate media and public opinion to that extent.

    No disrespect,but the girl was a model, she showed of clothes,she did PR stuff for people. Hardly groundbreaking stuff,yet her opinion seemed to be valued much more than that of people in far less glamorous ,but much more onerous jobs.

    I think we should take a step back and think hard about the society we are in.


  • #21
    Trojan911
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Trojan911


    HavoK wrote: »
    I don't remember anyone posting on the cocaine thread calling the users scumbags responsible for murder, crime and degeneration of modern society, but I suppose, they were actually alive at the time


    I did on another thread running at a similar time. I didn't feel the need to repeat myself.


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  • #22
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    I'm sleepy. *yawns*

    Also, rb_ie, that one time you mixed drugs could have been your last. You were stupid enough to do it once, so you're probably stupid enough to do it again, as are countless people in Ireland. No offence intended.

    I still don't get the whole 'cocaine' thing anyway. Pretty pointless at the end of the day.
    Careful now.


  • #23
    PhilipMarlowe
    Subscribers Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭PhilipMarlowe


    2nd man has died in the waterford case... John Grey

    Now I feel equally sympathetic towards all victims of drug use (not a whole lot to be honest).... but I do feel quite sorry for their families and connections... RIP


  • #24
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Regarding Katy French:
    Garda sources last night rejected reports that traces of cocaine were found in the postmortem, saying cocaine cannot be found in such an examination. This can only be revealed by toxicological tests, which can take four to six weeks.

    The autopsy was carried out by State Pathologist Marie Cassidy at Our Lady’s Hospital in Navan yesterday. A Garda source revealed the results showed no sign Katy had taken any illegal substance.

    Professor Cassidy also conducted toxicology tests that are expected to show if Katy had consumed alcohol or other substances in recent days.

    The results are unlikely to be known for some weeks.

    http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=49918-qqqx=1.asp


  • #25
    WindSock
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    Whether she and those Waterford lads died from drug use or not, it's a tragedy, much in the same way if they died from alcohol consumption.
    Actually, more young people die in this country from alcohol related injuries and road accidents than drugs, yet it doesn't stop the 'I don't take drugs because they're dangerous' brigade from going out and getting blottoed, or driving dangerously. Thats what I call Fcuking hypocrytical.


  • #26
    Requiem4adream
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Requiem4adream


    The "i dont take drugs because they're dangerous brigade" aka law abiding citizens who dont feel the need to try them for whatever reason.

    Alcohol is legal. Driving with a license is legal. You could expand your logic to include swimming or cycling, people drown worldwide all the time. Illegal drugs are illegal, you've no right to stick your nose up to those 'prudes' like me who dont feel the need to do drugs and defend their right to oppose drug use & abuse. It would be hypocritical to partake in drink driving after getting on your high horse about the illegality of certain drugs, im with you on that one.


  • #27
    l3LoWnA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭l3LoWnA


    Requiem4adream wrote: »
    Alcohol is legal. Driving with a license is legal.

    There's one of them now! :rolleyes:

    Alcohol may be legal but what kills alot of people is DRINK DRIVING which is ILLEGAL!!

    Also, driving with a license may be legal but driving dangerously without proper care and consideration for other road users is illegal and also the cause of many an accident. both of these things are illegal and cause far far more deaths in this country than drugs!


  • #28
    Jazzy
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    FlutterinBantam wrote: »

    I think we should take a step back and think hard about the society we are in.


    yup.

    im becoming convinced more and more that ireland is just full of tos$ers


  • #29
    WindSock
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    Requiem4adream wrote: »
    The "i dont take drugs because they're dangerous brigade" aka law abiding citizens who dont feel the need to try them for whatever reason.

    Who says they're all law abiding citizens? Some may not take illegal drugs, but may partake in some other illegal activities.
    Anyway, that besides my point.
    you've no right to stick your nose up to those 'prudes' like me who dont feel the need to do drugs and defend their right to oppose drug use & abuse.

    I never called anyone a prude for not taking drugs, that's yourself talking there. I'm just pointing out that it's hypocrisy to get up on a moral high horse about not taking illegal drugs, because they are dangerous then go out and get fcuked up on legal booze and hurt themselves and possibly someone else.
    Ask any person that works in the emergency services what are the percentages of people they treat with alcohol related injuries compared with illegal substance related ones. You can bet your ass alcohol outweighs drugs. Now, out of how many of those injured boozers reckon they would never touch drugs 'coz they're dangerous'?


  • #30
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Ever wonder why there are more instances of people ending up in ER due to alcohol that illegal drugs?

    It's because more people drink alcohol than take illegal drugs.

    It's like that whole RTÉ vs BBC licence debate.

    You can't compare them in that way because one has more user than the other.


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  • #31
    WindSock
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    I had thought about that, and there's no way of having a decent head count on how many people take what drugs if they are illegal. My guess is A LOT. Just look at how many drugs are found by the Gardai, I think that is only a fraction as to what goes under the radar and is circulated.


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