Hypocrites

TerrorFirmer

Funny how no-one else seems to have mentioned it, but surely everyone remembers the 'Do you do cocaine' thread from a a few weeks back?

Interestingly, a lot of the very same people blasting Katy French for being an idiot (lets not bother naming names), undeserving of sympathy due to what's alleged to be her cause of death and in extreme cases, deserving of her fate, have actually posted on that thread, admitting they've done cocaine, some of them rating it positively and with ample suggestion that it's just 'a laugh'.

And don't even bother trying to say it was her stupidity in overdosing, mixing, or whatever, the moral issue behind the vast majority of abuse directed towards the recently deceased was on the basis that she simply took drugs, with many people actually insisting that she was effectively linked to and part responsible for gangland murder. Why don't you go back and visit the thread then, and see how many 'murderers' there are on boards here among us? You might be surprised.

Moral: Katy French was unfortunately a victim of what is far beyond a rarity yet no one seems prepared to acknowledge how deep or indeed locally the problem runs, merely casually dismissing it's advocates as 'scumbags' behind the safety of the internet. I don't remember anyone posting on the cocaine thread calling the users scumbags responsible for murder, crime and degeneration of modern society, but I suppose, they were actually alive at the time. Maybe if they actually pass on untimely, we'll have a few more out to blacken their name in a large thread. :rolleyes:

the sound of a bandwagon gathering pace an irresistible call...

Dr. Hesselius

I've taken cocaine in the past. In fact, I can remember several nights where I took a lot of cocaine. I took it because it's a fantastic drug. I may take it again in the future. I never had a drug problem, I never became addicted, and apart from a lighter wallet, I suffered no ill effects whatsoever from sporadic cocaine use.

But just because I've taken cocaine doesn't imply that I can't comment negatively on Katy French and her drug use. I couldn't give a toss that she took cocaine. What bugged me was the woman herself. She lied, obviously, when she stated recently that she had stopped taking cocaine. Given how resourceful your average tabloid journalist is, it's almost inconceivable to think that the newspapers didn't know she took cocaine. And yet they attempted to build an empire around her by portraying her as a wholesome little thing.

It's not drug use that bothers me. It's the ****ing hypocrisy of almost every party involved in this Katy French fiasco that bothers me. I doubt I'm alone in this.

l3LoWnA

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I wasn't being a hypocrite - not sure who you are aiming this at HavoK?

Rb

I was blasting French even though in the other thread I've admitted to doing coke before (but never regularly).

There is definitely something to be said about overdosing and mixing. I've mixed drugs before and I can safely call myself a fooking muppet for doing so and am glad I lived through it.
I have never though went nuts on it and have always been careful with my intake of any given drug.

Going ballistic and snorting loads, mixing it with other drugs (speculation but I think we can include alcohol here) etc is absolutely idiotic. Excluding badly cut coke, taken with precaution and in regulated doses, the chances of it killing you really depend on the state of your heart before taking it, which you should have a good idea of if you're going to dabble in drugs anyway. There's enough information available about drugs to say "Do not mix or go OTT with them as the chances are if you do you'll f*ck yourself up" so it's easy to say from the viewpoint of someone whos taken precautions and been careful when dabbling that someone who's ignored these warnings is a f*cking muppet and can only blame themselves for whatever consequences it causes.

Timans

Havok

Nail. On. Head

gcgirl

i might have smoked a bit of blow in my time but never did E, speed or coke that was a step too far! manage to warn off a friend who was considering taking speed she had a heart murmer , personaly i usually say each to their own ! though i do and will always have the opinion that us irish have more a prolem with our drink culture than anything else!

l3LoWnA

rb_ie wrote: »

I was blasting French even though in the other thread I've admitted to doing coke before (but never regularly).

There is definitely something to be said about overdosing and mixing. I've mixed drugs before and I can safely call myself a fooking muppet for doing so and am glad I lived through it.
I have never though went nuts on it and have always been careful with my intake of any given drug.

So have you read the toxicology report and do you know exactly how Katy French actually died or from what or what exactly she had injested and/or snorted and how much and over what period of time? Do you KNOW or are you presuming you know (from reading the tabloids) exactly how regularly katy french took drugs?

If not, shame on you for blasting her. There aren't many cocaine users, that don't, at the very least, mix it with a few alcoholic beverages.

You say you've mixed drugs and would call yourself a muppet for doing so yet in the same paragraph you say you've always been careful with your intake of drugs? You've either been a muppet or you haven't at the end of the day?

Going ballistic and snorting loads, mixing it with other drugs (speculation but I think we can include alcohol here) etc is absolutely idiotic. Excluding badly cut coke, taken with precaution and in regulated doses, the chances of it killing you really depend on the state of your heart before taking it, which you should have a good idea of if you're going to dabble in drugs anyway. There's enough information available about drugs to say "Do not mix or go OTT with them as the chances are if you do you'll f*ck yourself up" so it's easy to say from the viewpoint of someone whos taken precautions and been careful when dabbling that someone who's ignored these warnings is a f*cking muppet and can only blame themselves for whatever consequences it causes.

I understand where you're coming from in everything else you've posted, (ie. going overboard and not being sensible in your approach to drugs is what usually will kill a person etc....) but you are smelling slightly of hypocrisy :eek:

HashSlinging

Nail on the head. I killed the other thread so im not saying anything else.

Rb

l3LoWnA wrote: »

So have you read the toxicology report and do you know exactly how Katy French actually died or from what or what exactly she had injested and/or snorted and how much and over what period of time? Do you KNOW or are you presuming you know (from reading the tabloids) exactly how regularly katy french took drugs?

She said she started doing coke since she was 19, but "has recently stopped" although there's now evidence about that.
Unless the cut of the drug was extremely, and I mean EXTREMELY bad then I doubt it was from being careful with it.

You say you've mixed drugs and would call yourself a muppet for doing so yet in the same paragraph you say you've always been careful with your intake of drugs? You've either been a muppet or you haven't at the end of the day?

I didn't proof read that. I meant 99/100 times I've been careful. One night I mixed drugs and nothing happened but it's not something that'd be repeated. That's obviously not to say I've done coke 100 times though.

gcgirl

You still did it!! Theres no point going on about someone else, what is wrote in the papers could be nonscence most of what is wrote in the paper esp the sindo is a load of bull!

MagicMarker

I'm sleepy. *yawns*

Also, rb_ie, that one time you mixed drugs could have been your last. You were stupid enough to do it once, so you're probably stupid enough to do it again, as are countless people in Ireland. No offence intended.

I still don't get the whole 'cocaine' thing anyway. Pretty pointless at the end of the day.

gcgirl

Lets all cut some baby powder and see what that does shove that up me nose! maybe not ! though i have had Breadsoda in milk to take away heartburn!!

Requiem4adream

Rb_ie i find your stance on this issue extremely disingenuous. So f'n what if she said she stopped doing it? In life people say things all the time that are true at that moment in time - "ive given up the fags" or "im going to cut out the booze for a few months" or "cutting down on the junk food". Going back on these things and having a sneaky smoke or a McDonalds isn't most peoples idea of a brazen hypocrite, even if it does meet the dictionary definition of the word.

She was in the public eye, whether warranted or not is totally irrelevant, fact is she has died apparently from cocaine use/abuse and if the net result of her death is highlighting the issue then that's something positive to have come from a sad event.

MagicMarker

gcgirl wrote: »

Lets all cut some baby powder and see what that does shove that up me nose! maybe not ! though i have had Breadsoda in milk to take away heartburn!!

You do that.

gcgirl

MagicMarker wrote: »

You do that.

what the baby powder or the breadsoda? i don't get the whole coke thing or injecting thing ! i can go out and enjoy myself even when i am sober!

MagicMarker

gcgirl wrote: »

what the baby powder or the breadsoda? i don't get the whole coke thing or injecting thing ! i can go out and enjoy myself even when i am sober!

Are you sober now?

gcgirl

MagicMarker wrote: »

Are you sober now?

yep very!!

gcgirl

My point with the baby powder and the bread soda is that some people might had seen ab fab years ago and Patsy had got caught in customs with a white powder (she thoght it was coke) but it turned out it was talcing powder ! so you could prob see any off as coke as long as it looks like it!

Off the subject of Katy French and on the subject of hypocrites;

My housemate bangs on the floor of his bedroom anytime I bring friends home at anytime past 11pm on a weekday and yet he has no problem bringing his friends home at 6am on a friday and making a ****load of noise.

And now I have to go in for 12 hours of work today and I am unbelievably exhausted right now and have work again tomorrow morning.

FlutterinBantam

Seriously,who gives a bollix about who was taking cocaine or not.

What bothers me is the media frenzy generated by the death of a person,who by her own admission used the media big time to further her own ambitions.

Now I of course am very sorry the girl died,but attributing icon status to her,as appears to be happening, is a bit over the top imho.

It really underlines the ease in which people of a certain status and background can manipulate media and public opinion to that extent.

No disrespect,but the girl was a model, she showed of clothes,she did PR stuff for people. Hardly groundbreaking stuff,yet her opinion seemed to be valued much more than that of people in far less glamorous ,but much more onerous jobs.

I think we should take a step back and think hard about the society we are in.

Trojan911

HavoK wrote: »

I don't remember anyone posting on the cocaine thread calling the users scumbags responsible for murder, crime and degeneration of modern society, but I suppose, they were actually alive at the time

I did on another thread running at a similar time. I didn't feel the need to repeat myself.

Terry

MagicMarker wrote: »

I'm sleepy. *yawns*

Also, rb_ie, that one time you mixed drugs could have been your last. You were stupid enough to do it once, so you're probably stupid enough to do it again, as are countless people in Ireland. No offence intended.

I still don't get the whole 'cocaine' thing anyway. Pretty pointless at the end of the day.

Careful now.

PhilipMarlowe

2nd man has died in the waterford case... John Grey

Now I feel equally sympathetic towards all victims of drug use (not a whole lot to be honest).... but I do feel quite sorry for their families and connections... RIP

Terry

Regarding Katy French:

Garda sources last night rejected reports that traces of cocaine were found in the postmortem, saying cocaine cannot be found in such an examination. This can only be revealed by toxicological tests, which can take four to six weeks.

The autopsy was carried out by State Pathologist Marie Cassidy at Our Lady’s Hospital in Navan yesterday. A Garda source revealed the results showed no sign Katy had taken any illegal substance.

Professor Cassidy also conducted toxicology tests that are expected to show if Katy had consumed alcohol or other substances in recent days.

The results are unlikely to be known for some weeks.

http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=49918-qqqx=1.asp

WindSock

Whether she and those Waterford lads died from drug use or not, it's a tragedy, much in the same way if they died from alcohol consumption.
Actually, more young people die in this country from alcohol related injuries and road accidents than drugs, yet it doesn't stop the 'I don't take drugs because they're dangerous' brigade from going out and getting blottoed, or driving dangerously. Thats what I call Fcuking hypocrytical.

Requiem4adream

The "i dont take drugs because they're dangerous brigade" aka law abiding citizens who dont feel the need to try them for whatever reason.

Alcohol is legal. Driving with a license is legal. You could expand your logic to include swimming or cycling, people drown worldwide all the time. Illegal drugs are illegal, you've no right to stick your nose up to those 'prudes' like me who dont feel the need to do drugs and defend their right to oppose drug use & abuse. It would be hypocritical to partake in drink driving after getting on your high horse about the illegality of certain drugs, im with you on that one.

l3LoWnA

Requiem4adream wrote: »

Alcohol is legal. Driving with a license is legal.

There's one of them now! :rolleyes:

Alcohol may be legal but what kills alot of people is DRINK DRIVING which is ILLEGAL!!

Also, driving with a license may be legal but driving dangerously without proper care and consideration for other road users is illegal and also the cause of many an accident. both of these things are illegal and cause far far more deaths in this country than drugs!

Jazzy

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I think we should take a step back and think hard about the society we are in.

yup.

im becoming convinced more and more that ireland is just full of tos$ers

WindSock

Requiem4adream wrote: »

The "i dont take drugs because they're dangerous brigade" aka law abiding citizens who dont feel the need to try them for whatever reason.

Who says they're all law abiding citizens? Some may not take illegal drugs, but may partake in some other illegal activities.
Anyway, that besides my point.

you've no right to stick your nose up to those 'prudes' like me who dont feel the need to do drugs and defend their right to oppose drug use & abuse.

I never called anyone a prude for not taking drugs, that's yourself talking there. I'm just pointing out that it's hypocrisy to get up on a moral high horse about not taking illegal drugs, because they are dangerous then go out and get fcuked up on legal booze and hurt themselves and possibly someone else.
Ask any person that works in the emergency services what are the percentages of people they treat with alcohol related injuries compared with illegal substance related ones. You can bet your ass alcohol outweighs drugs. Now, out of how many of those injured boozers reckon they would never touch drugs 'coz they're dangerous'?

Terry

Ever wonder why there are more instances of people ending up in ER due to alcohol that illegal drugs?

It's because more people drink alcohol than take illegal drugs.

It's like that whole RTÉ vs BBC licence debate.

You can't compare them in that way because one has more user than the other.

WindSock

I had thought about that, and there's no way of having a decent head count on how many people take what drugs if they are illegal. My guess is A LOT. Just look at how many drugs are found by the Gardai, I think that is only a fraction as to what goes under the radar and is circulated.

Dragan

HavoK wrote: »

the sound of a bandwagon gathering pace an irresistible call...

People are invariably dickheads. The internet tends to amplify how much of a dickhead they will be because there is no come back.

I wouldn't worry about it too much bro.

Also, go eat a pie!!!!

Havok,

an admission that somebody did/does/will do coke/speed/gear, in no way prohibits them from admonishing somebody who has died from taking coke/speed/gear etc.

It's ridiculous to assume that a person cannot express a lack of sympathy with somebody who died as a result of a high-risk action, if that person themselves seeks the same high-risk action.

Or, for the English speakers amongst us....

It's like saying a base-jumper or a lion-tamer cannot give out about a fellow base jumper or lion-tamer who has died as a direct result of jumping off a bridge or gotten into the cage with the lions.

To summarise.....she knew the risks, and paid the price.

I do hate hypocrites btw.

Edit: Ignore what i said and follow dragan's advice

Romero

Havok you hit the nail on the head there bro, lot of feckers slagging her off and yet the same posters have done the same drug as her, as the bible says something like "Let he without sin cast the first stone" looks like a lot of the slaggers wouldn't be able to pick up the rock! if you read RB_IE's arrogant comments on the Katy French thread, actually here they are, plus my response to them (just missed the lockdown on the thread!!!

rb_ie wrote: »

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You serously need to STFU, she was the best looking of the Irish Glamour Girls and a 1000 times better looking then Glenda Horse head. As for media whore sure she kept her profile out there that was just the business she was in, I see ur a bit of a media whore yourself? Do we really need to see ur mug (btw below average at best ) she also did a lot of good work for different charities, so she had a Coke addiction and died because of it, it might actually save other peoples lives who might be tempted to try the "Devils Dandruff" after reading what happened to the poor girl.

l3LoWnA

My brother (who is 7 years older than myself, probably 30 years more mature, and never dabbled in drugs, very "settled" and wouldn't take lightly to the fact that I did dabble quite alot) arrived today with his wife & family. We had a discussion about all of this cocaine business and the risks etc. He said him & his good wife (a Dub) went into town recently (in Dublin) to a pub they used to frequent a number of years back. He simply said it was "....diffferent" When I asked him to elaborate he said "well, it was FULL of young people......but none of them were langered and falling all about the place with drink the way they used to..........obviously cocaine"

I asked him did he think this was a bad thing, and even though he would be a very anti-drugs type of person with many friends who are gardai and prison officers and big into his GAA and all that jazz......he just shrugged and simply said "I don't know..."

I genuinely believe if the governement legalised and controlled all drugs coming into the country and being sold, things would be a hell of alot better for everyone concerned (except the people who are making an absolute fortune from selling absolute sh*te to punters at the moment which can either be massively pure or massively cut with god knows what which means no-one knows what's in one bag to the next and/or how much they should/shouldn't take). Money would be going back into the government by charging massive taxes on the stuff instead of going into a drug-dealers pocket to buy fire-arms or a wide-screen TV. Punters would always buy cocaine that is tested to know it's strength and purity. We could educate children and adults alike, about not only the dangers of drugs, but also the exact and correct way to take these drugs if indeed it's a thing they decide to go ahead and take them. How many people die from illnesses caused by smoking, nicotine IS A DRUG? A drug which the government make alot of money on. How many people die because of alcohol? A drug! A drug that the government make a sh1t load of money from also. All drugs kill people when handled badly, albeit alcohol, nicotine, prescription drugs or illegal drugs (which weren't always illegal.....) but I can guarantee you, there would be EVEN less A & E visits from people because of cocaine if it was legal in this country.....and the alcohol pateints would still be rolling in night after night after night.

When all drugs are killers, yet some are legal, why not legalise all drugs and control them as best we can, whilst putting money back into the economy instead of into some scumbags pocket.

If things carry on the way they are with dodgy young lads and greedy drug-lords selling this stuff illegally no-one will ever know what they're getting when they buy the stuff. People are getting greedier, both dealers (cutting it with all sorts...) and users (over-using and mixing with other drus etc....), and it's not looking good for our charlie-lovers country-wide because of this. But, just like smokers & drinkers who hear of people dying because of their vices, etc, but continue to smoke and/or drink alcohol, people are not going to stop taking cocaine because a pretty lady who was in the limelight over-did it and died.........or indeed because a party full of eejits down the country ate a sh1t-load of damp stuff......and two of them died (RIP to all)

Terry

l3LoWnA wrote: »

My brother (who is 7 years older than myself, probably 30 years more mature, and never dabbled in drugs, very "settled" and wouldn't take lightly to the fact that I did dabble quite alot) arrived today with his wife & family. We had a discussion about all of this cocaine business and the risks etc. He said him & his good wife (a Dub) went into town recently (in Dublin) to a pub they used to frequent a number of years back. He simply said it was "....diffferent" When I asked him to elaborate he said "well, it was FULL of young people......but none of them were langered and falling all about the place with drink the way they used to..........obviously cocaine"

I asked him did he think this was a bad thing, and even though he would be a very anti-drugs type of person with many friends who are gardai and prison officers and big into his GAA and all that jazz......he just shrugged and simply said "I don't know..."

I genuinely believe if the governement legalised and controlled all drugs coming into the country and being sold, things would be a hell of alot better for everyone concerned (except the people who are making an absolute fortune from selling absolute sh*te to punters at the moment which can either be massively pure or massively cut with god knows what which means no-one knows what's in one bag to the next and/or how much they should/shouldn't take). Money would be going back into the government by charging massive taxes on the stuff instead of going into a drug-dealers pocket to buy fire-arms or a wide-screen TV. Punters would always buy cocaine that is tested to know it's strength and purity. We could educate children and adults alike, about not only the dangers of drugs, but also the exact and correct way to take these drugs if indeed it's a thing they decide to go ahead and take them. How many people die from illnesses caused by smoking, nicotine IS A DRUG? A drug which the government make alot of money on. How many people die because of alcohol? A drug! A drug that the government make a sh1t load of money from also. All drugs kill people when handled badly, albeit alcohol, nicotine, prescription drugs or illegal drugs (which weren't always illegal.....) but I can guarantee you, there would be EVEN less A & E visits from people because of cocaine if it was legal in this country.....and the alcohol pateints would still be rolling in night after night after night.

When all drugs are killers, yet some are legal, why not legalise all drugs and control them as best we can, whilst putting money back into the economy instead of into some scumbags pocket.

If things carry on the way they are with dodgy young lads and greedy drug-lords selling this stuff illegally no-one will ever know what they're getting when they buy the stuff. People are getting greedier, both dealers (cutting it with all sorts...) and users (over-using and mixing with other drus etc....), and it's not looking good for our charlie-lovers country-wide because of this. But, just like smokers & drinkers who hear of people dying because of their vices, etc, but continue to smoke and/or drink alcohol, people are not going to stop taking cocaine because a pretty lady who was in the limelight over-did it and died.........or indeed because a party full of eejits down the country ate a sh1t-load of damp stuff......and two of them died (RIP to all)

I've never heard of anyone overdosing on nicotene.

Also, would you be comfortable with your children doing cocaine?
Would you sit down and do a line or two with them?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

you might not have heard of it, but it can happen.

you can overdose on water too, and sugar.

WindSock

Terry wrote: »

Also, would you be comfortable with your children doing cocaine?
Would you sit down and do a line or two with them?

As long as they're buyin

Requiem4adream

Mordeth wrote: »

you might not have heard of it, but it can happen.

you can overdose on water too, and sugar.

The water thing in particular shocked me, the woman this year (maybe last) who died in a water-drinking contest, basically drown herself without knowing it. Crazy. Makes ya think a bit longer about going nuts on the ol' H 2 0 !!!!

JC 2K3

Requiem4adream wrote: »

Alcohol is legal. Driving with a license is legal. You could expand your logic to include swimming or cycling, people drown worldwide all the time. Illegal drugs are illegal, you've no right to stick your nose up to those 'prudes' like me who dont feel the need to do drugs and defend their right to oppose drug use & abuse.

You're supposed to support laws because you believe they're right, not because they happen to be laws.

Terry wrote: »

Ever wonder why there are more instances of people ending up in ER due to alcohol that illegal drugs?

It's because more people drink alcohol than take illegal drugs.

It's like that whole RTÉ vs BBC licence debate.

You can't compare them in that way because one has more user than the other.

Legalising drugs would simply make more different types of drugs available for legal use, not cause a massive population spike.

There would be no more or less people ending up in ER due to drug use. The same idiots who would have otherwise gotten fúcked up for abusing alcohol might be there for abusing some other drug.

Terry

Mordeth wrote: »

you might not have heard of it, but it can happen.

you can overdose on water too, and sugar.

Yep.
You can pretty much over dose any anything.
That's not really a good enough arguement to legalise certain drugs though.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

why not? If you're using the 'they can kill you' argument against cocaine, heroin and speed.. why is it invalid when talking about other things than can kill you?

or are you just being inconsistent?

l3LoWnA

Terry wrote: »

I've never heard of anyone overdosing on nicotene.

NO, but I've heard of and known smokers who've died from lung cancer or heart disease brought on by smoking too much.....

Also, would you be comfortable with your children doing cocaine?
Would you sit down and do a line or two with them?

Yes to your question, I'd rather sit with her (her as a young adult wanting to try new things) and show her how to do things sensibly than to wonder where the ell she is and what she's possibly doingand with who tbh. I've seen children with stricter and closed-minded parents are the very ones who rebel and go to massive lengths to liberate themselves.......can get very messy!!

Of course I would try and discourage my daughter, but if she has already made up her mind having been educated about all the positives and negatives, I would definately rather she sat with me experimenting with stuff I knew was clean.....rather than taking god knows what with people who didn't care for and love her.

hopefully it will never come to that though....

Terry

Mordeth wrote: »

why not? If you're using the 'they can kill you' argument against cocaine, heroin and speed.. why is it invalid when talking about other things than can kill you?

or are you just being inconsistent?

No, I'm not being inconsistent.
I'm merely pointing out that just because something legal can kill you, it doesn't really mean that all things which can kill you should be made legal.

The 'Well smoking kills you and alcohol kills you, why can't I take other things that can kill me?' is really a childish arguement.

'Mammy, Terry has a new bicycle. I want one too.'

l3LoWnA wrote: »

NO, but I've heard of and known smokers who've died from lung cancer or heart disease brought on by smoking too much.....

So we should legalise cocaine on the grounds that smoking causes cancer?

I'm sorry, but that makes absolutely no sense to me.

Yes to your question, I'd rather sit with her (her as a young adult wanting to try new things) and show her how to do things sensibly than to wonder where the ell she is and what she's possibly doingand with who tbh. I've seen children with stricter and closed-minded parents are the very ones who rebel and go to massive lengths to liberate themselves.......can get very messy!!

Of course I would try and discourage my daughter, but if she has already made up her mind having been educated about all the positives and negatives, I would definately rather she sat with me experimenting with stuff I knew was clean.....rather than taking god knows what with people who didn't care for and love her.

hopefully it will never come to that though....

I really do not believe for one minute that you would sit down with your 16 year old daughter (yes, the kids that age are doing coke these day. God belss the Celtic tiger and all the money it brought into the country) and watch while she gets off her head on coke.

JC 2K3

I'd like to see figures on the amount of 16 year olds who actually do coke. If it was anything other than a hugely insignificant minority I'd be extremely surprised.

Terry

JC 2K3 wrote: »

I'd like to see figures on the amount of 16 year olds who actually do coke. If it was anything other than a hugely insignificant minority I'd be extremely surprised.

As opposed to those who drink and smoke?

JC 2K3

Just in general I don't think it's significant enough to say "the kids that age are doing coke these days".

Terry

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Just in general I don't think it's significant enough to say "the kids that age are doing coke these days".

Why not?
17 years ago I knew several 16 year olds who were doing coke (granted, the fact that most of them progressed (or regressed, depending on your opinion) to heroin is neither here nor there).

They weren't doing it every weekend, but they were doing it nonetheless.

To say that 16 year olds today are not doing coke (and in larger numbers than 17 years ago) would be extremely naive.

Kernel

Hands up if you're bored of Mordeth's drug advocating arguments.


,o/

Kernel

l3LoWnA wrote: »

I would definately rather she sat with me experimenting with stuff I knew was clean.....rather than taking god knows what with people who didn't care for and love her.

hopefully it will never come to that though....

Yeah that's going to happen Blowna.. in fluffy bunny world! :rolleyes:

MagicMarker

l3LoWnA wrote: »

hopefully it will never come to that though....

Out of curiosity, why not? You've admitted to taking it and had no problem with it. So why have a problem with your siblings doing the same as what you have done?