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  • 29-11-2007 06:58PM
    #1
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Would you call yourself a feminist ?
    If not why not ?


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  • #2
    Danny Billions Umpire
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Danny Billions Umpire


    I suppose i am


  • #3
    Silverfish
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭Silverfish


    No.

    I don't believe men and women are equal, physically or mentally. Not worse, or better, just different.





    (Cos men are stupid)


  • #4
    Femelade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭Femelade


    I wouldnt think i am either, there are somethings a man can do that women cant...there are things that i would expect my boyfriend to do, but wouldnt dream of doing it myself..


  • #5
    Dinxminx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Dinxminx


    Yes and no. Like Femmy there are certain things I expect boys to do that girls don't have to, but at the same time I do think women are just as capable as men and there's no reason why we should be tied to the kitchen sink...


  • #6
    Slow Motion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Slow Motion


    I tend to think women are different but equal (being a man I am more equal ;)) But I have to say I cannot stand feminazis, you know the ones who hate men and everything to do with them. There was an interesting article on the radio last week about a guy who has written a book after resigining from on of the womens charities because he said of sexual discrimination (could have been rape crisis or a womens shelter can't remember which one), but it provided an interesting perspective. Sorry if I have gone OT but I have been thinking about it since.


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  • #7
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    I didn't say anything about equality or the equal rights movement I asked about feminism.


  • #8
    Slow Motion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Slow Motion


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    I didn't say anything about equality or the equal rights movement I asked about feminism.

    Then I suppose you should give a (or your) definition !


  • #9
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,054 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Yes I dont really know what you mean either.

    I think its unfortunate that feminism has become a bit of a dirty word... Theres still a long way to go in women's rights around the world.


  • #10
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Feminism is the radical notion that women are people. So yeah, I guess I'm a feminist.

    I'm for women's rights (equal opportunities and pay).
    Male btw


  • #11
    Oryx
    Subscribers Posts: 19,421 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    I understood feminism to mean the fight to be regarded to equal as men. So in that regard I dont see myself as a feminist, because I think that battle is over. (Ok, there are still factions fighting it out, but in the main). My own opinion is that men and women are balanced out in our differences.

    So what did you mean as feminist, Thaedydal?


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  • #12
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,054 ✭✭✭✭fits


    KtK wrote: »
    I understood feminism to mean the fight to be regarded to equal as men. So in that regard I dont see myself as a feminist, because I think that battle is over.

    Maybe its over in Ireland but it certainly isnt over for the majority of the worlds' population.


  • #13
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    I would call myself a Feminist, but not to a huge extent. I haven't read all the great writings out there, but I do intend to someday. I couldn't tell you much about history and Womens Movements, I have only gone by what is my personal understanding and experiences. I don't go on protest marches or anything, but then again I never was one for chanting moronically. I like to point out inequalities and unfairness to Women, but I don't ignore when this happens to Men either.
    It's funny that the word Feminist seems to hold a bit of scary female empowerment in it, yet when the word Chauvanist is used, it seems only to imply Sexism.


  • #14
    Catari Jaguar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,649 ✭✭✭Catari Jaguar


    I think Women and Men are equal. So I'm pro both and want equality. Though I prefer and respect men in general...

    I'm not all anti shaving and bras but I'm passionate about some issues

    I hate people saying women should be in the home or just having kids.
    I hate how Muslim women are treated. I've been in a Islamic country and I hated being forced to cover up in 90 degree weather and being made feel wrong or dirty. They're sleazy perverts, why should I compromise?
    I am all for Women's education and equal paying jobs.
    I'm completely against forced marriages and female circumsion.
    I hate that the media is portraying women to be size 0 with huge boobs to be sexy.
    I'm totally disgusted and offended by celebrity women that pose in FHM etc. Hollyoaks sluts, i'm looking in your direction. I have no respect for that. I have talents other than my breasts thank you.
    I want a daughter to be stong, opinianated, educated and no man's doormat.


  • #15
    JC 2K3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    Femmy wrote: »
    I wouldnt think i am either, there are somethings a man can do that women cant...there are things that i would expect my boyfriend to do, but wouldnt dream of doing it myself..
    Dinxminx wrote: »
    Yes and no. Like Femmy there are certain things I expect boys to do that girls don't have to

    Such as?


  • #16
    Dirk Gently
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    Dinxminx wrote:
    there are certain things I expect boys to do that girls don't have to
    JC 2K3 wrote: »
    Such as?

    accept responsibility? :eek:


  • #17
    Jesus Wept
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    WindSock wrote: »
    I would call myself a Feminist, but not to a huge extent. I haven't read all the great writings out there

    Won't take long. ;)


  • #18
    star-pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,429 ✭✭✭✭star-pants


    I agree with a few other posters, the word feminist has been distorted and used to cover a multitude of traits - so perhaps a definition of what it's being classed as would be better, so as we can answer the question better :)


  • #19
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    Won't take long. ;)

    Why, 'cause I'm a super fast reader with a large dolphin like brain?


  • #20
    Jesus Wept
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    WindSock wrote: »
    Why, 'cause I'm a super fast reader with a large dolphin like brain?

    Got it in one. ;)

    With that said Dolphins are like really really dumb humans, so actually, no.


  • #21
    Femelade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭Femelade


    JC 2K3 wrote: »
    Such as?

    well, i know my dad, brother and boyfriend are alot stronger than i....so if there was something that needed moving..i would get one of them to do it or at least help me with it...theres a piece of furniture here, that i could not for the life of me move on my own..i would ask one of them to help me with it...
    they can prob open a few jars that i cant..even of i do use a rubber glove or whatever other tips...
    My dad knocked down a wall in our house a few months back with a sledge hammer, i took a few wacks off it myself and barely hit the plaster off....

    I know not ALL women are weaklings like me though, so each to their own...

    Just cos i believe that there are somethings a man can do that i cant. it doesnt really mean that i think women are not equal to men...i mean we have the same rights and responsibilites when it comes to everyday things..even like house work, a man can vacuum and iron too! i dont doubt that for a second..


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  • #22
    WindSock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    The-Rigger wrote: »

    With that said Dolphins are like really really dumb humans, so actually, no.

    Do Dolphins wear Burberry Caps now?


  • #23
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    A feminist is a person believes in feminism.

    If you think you should have the right to determine what you want to do with your life and that all people should have the same rights and opportunities to do and that gender should not be a factor in that,
    then you are a feminist.

    How women have gone about making sure that they can do this by
    the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.

    WindSock I would suggest starting here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

    The self determining is a big part, which is why there are many types of feminism, we can't tell people in other countries and cultures how to self determine but we can support them as they work towards getting the rights they want.

    Feminists are a very diverse lot, which I don't think is contradictory as women are diverse and hold many differing views on differing things. Choice is the whole point that a person's gender should not limit their choices in life or restrict them from opportunities.

    Feminism's many forms

    * 3.1 Liberal feminism
    * 3.2 Radical feminism
    * 3.3 Individualist feminism
    * 3.4 Black feminism
    * 3.5 Socialist and Marxist feminisms
    * 3.6 Post-structural feminism and postmodern feminism
    * 3.7 Postcolonial feminism and third-world feminism
    * 3.8 Ecofeminism


    And while we do have the vote for the last 79 years it took women in the UK
    ( which we were a part of then ) 90 years to achieve it, so we don't have it as long as it took to fight to get it. Funny how many women don't know that.

    A lot of the backlash and incorrect ideas about what a feminist is and that all feminists are feminazis and man haters comes from a reaction to Radical Feminism in the usa in the 1970s.


  • #24
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,054 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Good post.

    I'd call myself a feminist so. I think most women would.


  • #25
    Jules
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Jules


    On that defination i would call myself a feminist.


  • #26
    David Michael
    Closed Accounts Posts: 677 ✭✭✭David Michael


    fits wrote: »
    Good post.

    I'd call myself a feminist so. I think most women would.

    Me too. and I'm a bloke.

    think about it.


  • #27
    Nightwish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭Nightwish


    No I'm not a feminist. Men and women arent equal. Women shouldnt get equal pay if they are out every second day because of little Davids earache or little Niamh's gymnastics.


  • #28
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Nightwish wrote: »
    No I'm not a feminist. Men and women arent equal. Women shouldnt get equal pay if they are out every second day because of little Davids earache or little Niamh's gymnastics.

    So what you are saying is parents should not get equal pay to non parents ?


  • #29
    Nightwish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭Nightwish


    no...parents should get paid for the hours they actually work.


  • #30
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    I think you need to look up 'parental leave'.


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  • #31
    Maple
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 16,186 ✭✭✭✭Maple


    i believe tha women should have the same rights as men and that an individual should not be prejudiced against because of their gender.

    however i am extremely opposed to the radical and extremist form of bra burning feminism. this sort of men hating nonsense actually undoes any progress fro the womens movement.


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