All non EU citizens to be figerprinted

MIN2511 · 25-11-2007 03:53PM #1

It doesn't get better than this, while i understand the need to reduce crime and fraud. I believe this is a step too far:mad:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=48725-qqqx=1.asp

humbert · 25-11-2007 03:59PM

Seems like a good idea to me. It's just a more reliable form of identification.

mikemac · 25-11-2007 04:00PM

If you've nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.

It can also be used for the many failed asylum seekers who disappear when they are served with a deportation notice

Ruu_Old · 25-11-2007 04:07PM

humbert wrote: »

Seems like a good idea to me. It's just a more reliable form of identification.

Yep, it works in other countries and can be useful and more efficient in tracking immigrants. As mentioned, if you have nothing to hide then there is nothing to worry about.

MIN2511 · 25-11-2007 04:22PM

Fair enough, but what next?
Bad enough we have to queue outside the immigration office for hours, pay €100 for a Garda card and another €100 for re entry visa. That doesn't include work visa payment of €1000, thats too much. And we still pay tax btw, i reckon we would have to pay to be fingerprinted as well:)

leninbenjamin · 25-11-2007 04:26PM

it's par for the course. I'm just surprised it's taken us that long to put it in place.

and if those figures are right, there are certainly a lot more expensive countries to go to then Ireland.

Rb · 25-11-2007 04:27PM

Definitely a good move in the right direction, am glad to see such a thing being implemented.

25-11-2007 04:30PM

about fecking time

arybvtcw0eolkf · 25-11-2007 04:31PM

Good, about bloody time too.

Non-EU citizens coming here should have their DNA profiles recorded too.

MagicMarker · 25-11-2007 04:32PM

MIN2511 wrote: »

Fair enough, but what next?
Bad enough we have to queue outside the immigration office for hours, pay €100 for a Garda card and another €100 for re entry visa. That doesn't include work visa payment of €1000, thats too much. And we still pay tax btw, i reckon we would have to pay to be fingerprinted as well:)

What the fúck are you here for then??:rolleyes:

And if i'm not mistaken you get your tax back when you go home.

MagicMarker · 25-11-2007 04:33PM

Mairt wrote: »

Good, about bloody time too.

Non-EU citizens coming here should have their DNA profiles recorded too.

Not to mention a record of their sex face..... just in case.

Overheal · 25-11-2007 04:41PM

MIN2511 wrote: »

Fair enough, but what next?
Bad enough we have to queue outside the immigration office for hours, pay €100 for a Garda card and another €100 for re entry visa. That doesn't include work visa payment of €1000, thats too much. And we still pay tax btw, i reckon we would have to pay to be fingerprinted as well:)

+1. you know the cost of a 7 million euro system is going to fall on us hard. i dont see way all non-nationals arent going to be scanned: seems stupid considering all the east-EU trash that come over here to commit crime.

unreggd · 25-11-2007 04:42PM

Indubadably!

Good idea

Ur prints are the same from birth aint they? If so they shud take em then

MIN2511 · 25-11-2007 04:43PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

What the fúck are you here for then??:rolleyes:

And if i'm not mistaken you get your tax back when you go home.

Ah, there is no need to get abusive. The last time i checked i am entitled to voice my opinion.
And NO we dont get our tax back.

Vorsprung · 25-11-2007 04:43PM

Mairt wrote: »

Good, about bloody time too.

Non-EU citizens coming here should have their DNA profiles recorded too.

Are you actually serious?! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

MagicMarker · 25-11-2007 04:47PM

MIN2511 wrote: »

Ah, there is no need to get abusive. The last time i checked i am entitled to voice my opinion.
And NO we dont get our tax back.

Feel free to point out where i was abusive.

All i'm saying is, if you're not happy with it then you know what to do.

ojewriej · 25-11-2007 04:49PM

Overheal wrote: »

i dont see way all non-nationals arent going to be scanned: seems stupid considering all the east-EU trash that come over here to commit crime.

yeah mate, dead right. But actually given that most crimes in ireland are still committed by the Irish thugs, we should all get fingerprinted. And why stop there, we should all get these chips implanted, so the cops can see where we are at all times. I mean, if you are not a criminal, you have nothing to worry about, right?

25-11-2007 05:00PM

ojewriej wrote: »

yeah mate, dead right. But actually given that most crimes in ireland are still committed by the Irish thugs, we should all get fingerprinted. And why stop there, we should all get these chips implanted, so the cops can see where we are at all times. I mean, if you are not a criminal, you have nothing to worry about, right?

Ah the classic thin end of the wedge argument.

MIN2511 · 25-11-2007 05:01PM

ojewriej wrote: »

yeah mate, dead right. But actually given that most crimes in ireland are still committed by the Irish thugs, we should all get fingerprinted. And why stop there, we should all get these chips implanted, so the cops can see where we are at all times. I mean, if you are not a criminal, you have nothing to worry about, right?

LMAO
Very true, I guess that would be next. Micro chips, like animals?

MagicMarker wrote: »

What the fúck are you here for then??

That's where you were abusive

biko · 25-11-2007 05:02PM

Just as long as they finger print all the Americans and Australians coming over. Dodgy bunch.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 25-11-2007 05:09PM

bigjimthefirst wrote: »

Are you actually serious?!

Yes, I'm very serious. DNA profiles on them all.

I'd also advocate a strict detention regime be put in place until profiles are taken, plus a complete medical and criminal background check is done too.

See this all goes back to good ol' liberal fvck ass Ireland. We can talk about all the positive's immigration has brought to Ireland, but don't mention the HIV & TB explosion form Sub-Saharan Africa. Or the aggressive begging carried out by the Roma people.

No, we'd rather bury our heads in the sand and not admit to ourselves that not everything about immigration is positive.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 25-11-2007 05:12PM

ojewriej wrote: »

we should all get these chips implanted, so the cops can see where we are at all times. I mean, if you are not a criminal, you have nothing to worry about, right?

Your wrong, but only just.

Micro-chipping would be a violation of your body, but ankle braclets wouldn't!.

ojewriej · 25-11-2007 05:14PM

Mairt wrote: »

Your wrong, but only just.

Micro-chipping would be a violation of your body, but ankle braclets wouldn't!.

so you are suggesting that we all should wear tracking devices on our ankles?
Or is that just immigrants?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 25-11-2007 05:17PM

ojewriej wrote: »

so you are suggesting that we all should wear tracking devices on our ankles?
Or is that just immigrants?

No, it was you who suggested micro-chipping, I pointed out the alternative.

humbert · 25-11-2007 05:18PM

Mairt wrote: »

Yes, I'm very serious. DNA profiles on them all.

I'd also advocate a strict detention regime be put in place until profiles are taken, plus a complete medical and criminal background check is done too.

See this all goes back to good ol' liberal fvck ass Ireland. We can talk about all the positive's immigration has brought to Ireland, but don't mention the HIV & TB explosion form Sub-Saharan Africa. Or the aggressive begging carried out by the Roma people.

No, we'd rather bury our heads in the sand and not admit to ourselves that not everything about immigration is positive.

I do think a thorough medical check should be required, and probably criminal records too, but I don't know if that's feasible. DNA records just for immigrants doesn't make much sense to me though.

EDIT: Just thinking that with our medical system medical checks would probably be a vastly expensive farce.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 25-11-2007 05:20PM

humbert wrote: »

I do think a thorough medical check should be required, and probably criminal records too, but I don't know if that's feasible. DNA records just for immigrants doesn't make much sense to me though.

To me neither, I wouldn't mind seeing a national DNA register. But I do think finger printing and DNA profiling immigrants is a good starting point.

Vorsprung · 25-11-2007 05:21PM

Mairt wrote: »

Yes, I'm very serious. DNA profiles on them all.

I'd also advocate a strict detention regime be put in place until profiles are taken, plus a complete medical and criminal background check is done too.

See this all goes back to good ol' liberal fvck ass Ireland. We can talk about all the positive's immigration has brought to Ireland, but don't mention the HIV & TB explosion form Sub-Saharan Africa. Or the aggressive begging carried out by the Roma people.

No, we'd rather bury our heads in the sand and not admit to ourselves that not everything about immigration is positive.

-More Irish people commit crimes than foreigners.
-More Irish people suffer from TB than foreigners.
-HIV was a problem in Ireland long before we started getting large numbers of foreigners coming into the country.

What's this TB explosion your talking about? Should we deport all those who suffer from TB from the country? What about these kids?

ParkRunner · 25-11-2007 05:22PM

Fingerprinting is essential, I work in the department. So many people have several identities we need to know who is who. Some of them have found a way around it though

Vorsprung · 25-11-2007 05:26PM

EF wrote: »

Fingerprinting is essential, I work in the department. So many people have several identities we need to know who is who. Some of them have found a way around it though

Nothing wrong with fingerprinting at all, it's a standard method of identification. DNA profiling is a million miles from being standard though. It takes a few days to get results back on a test - not exactly practical at an immigration desk at a point of entry.

25-11-2007 05:28PM

bigjimthefirst wrote: »

-More Irish people commit crimes than foreigners.
-More Irish people suffer from TB than foreigners.
-HIV was a problem in Ireland long before we started getting large numbers of foreigners coming into the country.

There are more Irish people in this country than foreigners so naturally this would be the case. What are you trying to argue here?

bigjimthefirst wrote: »

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What's this TB explosion your talking about? Should we deport all those who suffer from TB from the country? What about these kids?

Ireland had a huge problem TB many years ago. The fact that TB outbreak made the news is testimnent to how rare it was in modern Ireland. Where is the TB coming from I wonder..

TimTim · 25-11-2007 05:28PM

I don't know, I'm wary of such levels of data collection, its why I'm not such a fan of US immigration.

With everyone pushing towards biometric security I'd rather the government didn't have a complete profile on me. While normal passwords can be changed, biometric ones can't be changed.

The recent data leak from HMRC in the UK shows how dangerous the storage of large amounts of records in one place can be.

All non EU citizens to be figerprinted

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