OH my god, Irish people not paying Polish workers !!

ojewriej · 24-10-2007 11:22AM

Yeah what a cheek.
It's like someone would force European Union to spend millions translating all it's documents to the language they don't even use themselves. Crazy.

And this business about making Polish official language here is just some dope from the paper nobody reads trying to make the name for himself. Even Poles laugh at that.

nesf · 24-10-2007 12:10PM

lostexpectation wrote: »

its called solidarity you ****ing idiot, ever heard of that, its what unions are supposed to do

Banned for a week.

Sierra Oscar · 24-10-2007 07:50PM

Michael Walsh wrote: »

It is typical of the ESB Unions. I hear the strike will begin Thursday. I would hate to think of the financial loss to the economy in this computer age of a power blackout. I long for the day of full deregulation where if the ESB strike, you can just buy the power from somebody else.

This is bringing back very bad memories of the old "Rolling Blackout" system during the 80's...

*shivers*

Wertz · 24-10-2007 08:33PM

ojewriej wrote: »

Yeah what a cheek.
It's like someone would force European Union to spend millions translating all it's documents to the language they don't even use themselves. Crazy.

nice.

So possible rolling blackouts eh? That time in '90-91 it went on for a couple of weeks IIRC....I can only imagine the chaos this would cause nowadays.
Let me get this straight; the country's supply of power is possibly being put in jeopardy all because 200 sparkies are owed a few months wages?
What the bloody f*ckin' hell? Pay them off, impose fines and contract breach suits on the subbies, get the tea drinkers back into their lucrative OT slots in moneypoint and stop this bloody nonsense before it starts!
Or we could all....you know, like, just do nothing and let things take their course and ring liveline next week to tell Joe all about the spoilt food in the freezer and such...

leninbenjamin · 24-10-2007 08:40PM

gcgirl wrote: »

whatever happened the insular ( detached; standing alone; isolated) Ireland that Devalera loved all those years ago!

goin back a bit here... but still, Dev and his immediate legacy made the country backrupt. world bank very nearly bailed us out. if we continued with Devs model we'd be a third world country basically.

billy the squid · 24-10-2007 10:00PM

Wertz wrote: »

nice.

So possible rolling blackouts eh? That time in '90-91 it went on for a couple of weeks IIRC....I can only imagine the chaos this would cause nowadays.
Let me get this straight; the country's supply of power is possibly being put in jeopardy all because 200 sparkies are owed a few months wages?
What the bloody f*ckin' hell? Pay them off, impose fines and contract breach suits on the subbies, get the tea drinkers back into their lucrative OT slots in moneypoint and stop this bloody nonsense before it starts!
Or we could all....you know, like, just do nothing and let things take their course and ring liveline next week to tell Joe all about the spoilt food in the freezer and such...

Between wages and pension payments that went missing, they are owed in the reagon of 1.5 million quid.

old boy · 24-10-2007 10:10PM

not the e.s.b.s fault they shelled out, why dont the unions contact their counterparts in poland and let them sort it out,

mike2084 · 24-10-2007 10:32PM

In the event of black-outs it would be good if someone organised a national don't pay your next ESB bill protest

gcgirl · 24-10-2007 10:39PM

leninbenjamin wrote: »

goin back a bit here... but still, Dev and his immediate legacy made the country backrupt. world bank very nearly bailed us out. if we continued with Devs model we'd be a third world country basically.

i was being sarcastic as in lets keep every one out and it will all go way kind of thing!!

mikemac · 24-10-2007 10:40PM

seamus wrote: »

Unions will strike for any reason. The clock-watchers love nothing more than being able to sit at home with their feet up and drink tea. That's all they do in work anyway.

You don't get paid when on strike afaik

DarkJager wrote:

Not being racist, but does anybody think this whole Polish immigration is getting way out of hand??

Sigh, why do all these posts start with "not being a racist but........."
I know you're not a racist DarkJager because most Poles are white Europeans like yourself
So how can a Irish peron be racist against a Pole?

Xenophibic maybe but definitly not racist

jimmycrackcorm · 24-10-2007 11:33PM

Let the ESB go on strike; I don't care, I'll just use my laptop. Does anyone know if the blackouts will last more than 1.35 hours?

nesf · 25-10-2007 12:18AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Let the ESB go on strike; I don't care, I'll just use my laptop. Does anyone know if the blackouts will last more than 1.35 hours?

lol

billy the squid · 25-10-2007 01:00AM

Deferred for 24 hours ...

billy the squid · 25-10-2007 01:01AM

micmclo wrote: »

You don't get paid when on strike afaik

Sigh, why do all these posts start with "not being a racist but........."
I know you're not a racist DarkJager because most Poles are white Europeans like yourself
So how can a Irish peron be racist against a Pole?
Xenophibic maybe but definitly not racist

Your union pays you strike pay afaik.

billy the squid · 25-10-2007 01:03AM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

This is bringing back very bad memories of the old "Rolling Blackout" system during the 80's...

*shivers*

Ah yes, when the country was divided into areas like Zone A, Zone B and Zone C. you used to have to check the paper every day to find out when your zone would be without power.

seamus · 25-10-2007 09:13AM

In the case of rolling blackouts, I'd say the unions might crumble faster than they think. When their little darlings start screaming and annoying them because they can't charge their iPod, play their XBox 360 or surf the web, they'll realise how much more reliant we've become on electricity in the last 20 years.

How many people even keep blackout kits anymore - candles, gas stoves and old-fashioned kettles?

Wertz · 25-10-2007 03:23PM

1.5 million eh? Peanuts in all reality compared to the possible inconvenience if it went ahead...33 cent per citizen? Christ, stick it on my next bill if you're that stuck for it in the ESB. I know they've already paid it and whatever, but their bottom line responsibility is to we, the customers, who under it's near-monopoly rely solely on them for our energy needs, management need to do whatever it takes to ensure no strike. I understand solidarity in this case and why the TEEU would strike over the unfair treatment, but the union need to see sense here too.
Where is this sub contractor in all this? That firm need to be forced to pay their bill, but in the mean time a loan should be given to recompense workers and get the heat off. I feel very sorry for any one stuck in the country with not a shilling in their pocket for nearly 2 months, especially given how hard these blokes work IME.

Oh yeah, anyone know what happens to cellphone masts during blackouts? Battery back up or loss of coverage or redundancy? What about wireless broadband and the like? Not much point in having the laptop charged up when the router doesn't feckin' work...

seamus · 25-10-2007 03:58PM

Wertz wrote: »

Oh yeah, anyone know what happens to cellphone masts during blackouts? Battery back up or loss of coverage or redundancy? What about wireless broadband and the like? Not much point in having the laptop charged up when the router doesn't feckin' work...

I would imagine that most masts would have a diesel generator backup that works for 12 or 24 hours to cope with blackouts. I would imagine though that some may have not been tested in a while and there'll be mobile phone outages in some areas if the blackouts occur.

Wireless broadband won't work if your receiver is plugged into the wall

If you're receiving your broadband via a PC card in a laptop, then you should be good. Assuming the transmitter's diesel backup is OK

nesf · 25-10-2007 06:54PM

seamus wrote: »

In the case of rolling blackouts, I'd say the unions might crumble faster than they think. When their little darlings start screaming and annoying them because they can't charge their iPod, play their XBox 360 or surf the web, they'll realise how much more reliant we've become on electricity in the last 20 years.

I can't see it going that far tbh. The public would turn really quickly against the unions if rolling blackouts were used, which considering the "local" aspect of the dispute mightn't be a very good idea. You might see a different form of industrial action being taken, like work to rule by non-critical staff or something.

seamus wrote: »

How many people even keep blackout kits anymore - candles, gas stoves and old-fashioned kettles?

My parents do, but the local transformer for the area has always been a bit temperamental and prone to going out at the most inconvenient of times, like Christmas Day.

Latchy · 25-10-2007 07:25PM

Originally Posted by gcgirl
whatever happened the insular ( detached; standing alone; isolated) Ireland that Devalera loved all those years ago!

It got invaded by reality.....

Sierra Oscar · 25-10-2007 08:23PM

billy the squid wrote: »

Ah yes, when the country was divided into areas like Zone A, Zone B and Zone C. you used to have to check the paper every day to find out when your zone would be without power.

Yep - info here...Rolling Blackouts.

mike2084 · 25-10-2007 10:01PM

Anyone wishing to hazard a guess whats going to happen next? I think we will see the pickets, given that the 9 news said it's still a game of pass the parcel.

billy the squid · 26-10-2007 01:36AM

Well if the pickets go ahead tomorrow morning then it will take a 24 hour period to shut down the plant.

If after the plant has ben shut down, a resolution is found, rolling blackouts will continue while they get the plant up and running again. this will probably take six to twelve hours.

At least this is what happened the last time there was a strike like this, they had to have a "warming up" period or something when they went back to work.

As for cellphones, the last time there was a blackout the only people to have cellphones in this country were businessmen and criminals. you could fit every mobile phone number in the country on thirty pages in the phone book. If masts do go down because of blackouts, then expect congested networks as phones try to connect to alternate masts.

If you are on a VOIP phone or dependent on phone extensions these will not work. Magnet customers will be ****ed for phones

time to break out the 3G modem and the windup radio and the flashlight.