OH my god, Irish people not paying Polish workers !!

Wook

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/esb-customers-face-power-cut--in-row-over-pay--of-polish-staff-1202515.html

Just this post in response to all the After Hours postings recently about, Polish people stealing your woman, jobs, eating the swans, taking your bus seat! Also this post in answer to all your bitching about the Germans, Brits, Romanians, French, Americans..etc etc etc...

take this post with a grain of salt or not, your decision not mine.

Edit, fair enough , good point Feylya

feylya

Wook wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/esb-customers-face-power-cut--in-row-over-pay--of-polish-staff-1202515.html

Just this post in response to all the After Hours postings recently about, Polish people stealing your woman, jobs, eating the swans, taking your bus seat and stealing the Irish craig ! Also this post in answer to all your bitching about the Germans, Brits, Romanians, French, Americans..etc etc etc...

take this post with a grain of salt or not, your decision not mine.

What's an Irish craig?

coolhandc

not sure i get which side your taking.if these people are owed money for work they did then they are entitled to it.what about the british,german french etc..?

Unshelved

I'm not really sure what your point is here.

Isn't this more a case of Polish sub-contractors not paying Polish workers?

event

The Polish workers claim they have not received payments for six weeks from the Polish company, ZRE, which is one of the subcontractors involved in a €384m contract to reduce CO2 emissions at the plant.

ZRE was contracted by the German engineering firm, Lentjes, which is the main contractor employed on the contract.

so technically, its not irish that arent paying them, but polish.

but hey, why let details get in the way of a good post, eh?

Hail 2 Da Chimp

The Polish workers claim they have not received payments for six weeks from the Polish company, ZRE, which is one of the subcontractors involved in a €384m contract to reduce CO2 emissions at the plant.

So it looks like it was a Polish company who wasn't paying the Polish workers...

SimpleSam06

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godtabh

Unshelved wrote: »

Isn't this more a case of Polish sub-contractors not paying Polish workers?

So why are the ESB workers going to go on strike?

Wook

sorry my post might have been unclear, was merely trying and failed to point out that the last postings on After Hours are being aimed at Non Irish a lot and there was a massive amount of complaining about them, justified or not i leave that to the original topics.

to perhaps make it more clear, 'can't we all just get along' ?

tallus

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

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lol!

Call Me Jimmy

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

http://wook.justgotowned.com/

****ing love that ****!

SpitfireIV

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

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Man, that was funny.....

....until I seen the pic of the dog with the dart in its head......then it ceased to be funny!

Jip

kearnsr wrote: »

So why are the ESB workers going to go on strike?

Because of the wanker ITGU or whatever union is out there. It's the cotractors that haven't paying the staff but the unions yet again want to flex their ever weakening muscles to try say that they're still a force to be reckoned with, flush them down the jacks.

DonJose

FYI ESB has fully paid the main contractor, who has paid the Polish sub-contractor, who HAS NOT paid their Polish workers.

DonJose

event wrote: »

but hey, why let details get in the way of a good post, eh?

LOL

godtabh

Jip wrote: »

Because of the wanker ITGU or whatever union is out there. It's the cotractors that haven't paying the staff but the unions yet again want to flex their ever weakening muscles to try say that they're still a force to be reckoned with, flush them down the jacks.

I dont support unions in anyway.

But I cant figure out why which ever union it is is going on strike. Their me members aren't affected (are they?), the ESB is directly involved (is it?) so what's the point?

DonJose

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/esb-customers-face-power-cut--in-row-over-pay--of-polish-staff-1202515.html

"The Polish workers claim they have not received payments for six weeks from the Polish company, ZRE, which is one of the subcontractors involved in a €384m contract to reduce CO2 emissions at the plant."

So a Polish sub-contractor fails to pay its workers and parts of Ireland could be without electricty. WTF

Saruman

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The epilepsy one hurts my brain

leninbenjamin

that's why we should hire more brazilians.

and no, we can never get along. stop being such an idealist.

gcgirl

whatever happened the insular ( detached; standing alone; isolated) Ireland that Devalera loved all those years ago!

monkey tennis

Thrr tekkin urr Polish brethren's wages!

Overheal

The Polish workers claim they have not received payments for six weeks from the Polish company, ZRE, which is one of the subcontractors involved in a €384m contract to reduce CO2 emissions at the plant.

ZRE was contracted by the German engineering firm, Lentjes, which is the main contractor employed on the contract.

So REALLY; we should blame the Germans

but srsly - its the ZRE: pols havent been payed in 6 weeks; German Contractor only cut them out on Friday... I wonder why.

Anyway, charge your laptops, kids.

seamus

DonJose wrote: »

So a Polish sub-contractor fails to pay its workers and parts of Ireland could be without electricty. WTF

Unions will strike for any reason. The clock-watchers love nothing more than being able to sit at home with their feet up and drink tea. That's all they do in work anyway.

The union is claiming that the ESB can't wash its hands because it was a sub-contracting company, but I say it can. The ESB did its part, it paid its bills. It should refuse to hire that company again and end any current contracts with it, but apart from that there's nothing the ESB can do.

mike2084

It is typical of the ESB Unions. I hear the strike will begin Thursday. I would hate to think of the financial loss to the economy in this computer age of a power blackout. I long for the day of full deregulation where if the ESB strike, you can just buy the power from somebody else.

Tha Gopher

[QUOTE=Wook;54259877Just this post in response to all the After Hours postings recently about, Polish people stealing your woman, jobs, eating the swans, taking your bus seat! )[/QUOTE]

Women?

My area has one of the largest E European populations in Ireland, and in the 3 years they have been here en masse Im not sure ive ever seen, let alone heard of, an Irish woman with a Polish dude.

Anyway, these foreign contract companies often divert funds. Say the ESB gave them enough (random figure: 3 million) to pay imported temporary staff from back home 10 euro per hour. The firm will often steal part of the payments, telling the staff they have been contracted for 6 euro an hour. Its only when someone tells the workers this is illegal is a rat ever sniffed.

Having said that iirc Irish Ferries get away with paying below minimum wage somehow.

arybvtcw0eolkf

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

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Best OWNED post I've ever seen.

lostexpectation

Jip wrote: »

Because of the wanker ITGU or whatever union is out there. It's the cotractors that haven't paying the staff but the unions yet again want to flex their ever weakening muscles to try say that they're still a force to be reckoned with, flush them down the jacks.

its called solidarity you ****ing idiot, ever heard of that, its what unions are supposed to do

Jip

lostexpectation wrote: »

its called solidarity you ****ing idiot, ever heard of that, its what unions are supposed to do

Good post, now can you try making one that gets the same point across without resorting to personal abuse ? I'm obviously slightly maturer than yourself so I won't go to the effort of reporting your abusive post you dear oul socialist you.

lostexpectation

typical right wing ****ers engaging in mass immigration and then not paying the workers

the_syco

lostexpectation wrote: »

its called solidarity you ****ing idiot, ever heard of that, its what unions are supposed to do

Pity it's not going to effect sh|t, as ESB has given the moneh to the poleh people, and it's the poleh people who have to give the moneh to the poleh people they should give the moneh to.

DarkJager

Not being racist, but does anybody think this whole Polish immigration is getting way out of hand?? I read in one of the papers yesterday that a Polish newspaper published an article saying that Polish should be recognised as one of the official languages of Ireland. They deem this to be justified as there is 63,000 of them over here. I wonder if 63000 Irish packed up tomorrow and moved to Poland would they have Irish recognised over there?? No they wouldn't because its sheer ****in cheek to think a country you weren't even born in should change its ways for you.

ojewriej

Yeah what a cheek.
It's like someone would force European Union to spend millions translating all it's documents to the language they don't even use themselves. Crazy.

And this business about making Polish official language here is just some dope from the paper nobody reads trying to make the name for himself. Even Poles laugh at that.

nesf

lostexpectation wrote: »

its called solidarity you ****ing idiot, ever heard of that, its what unions are supposed to do

Banned for a week.

Sierra Oscar

Michael Walsh wrote: »

It is typical of the ESB Unions. I hear the strike will begin Thursday. I would hate to think of the financial loss to the economy in this computer age of a power blackout. I long for the day of full deregulation where if the ESB strike, you can just buy the power from somebody else.

This is bringing back very bad memories of the old "Rolling Blackout" system during the 80's...

*shivers*

Wertz

ojewriej wrote: »

Yeah what a cheek.
It's like someone would force European Union to spend millions translating all it's documents to the language they don't even use themselves. Crazy.

nice.

So possible rolling blackouts eh? That time in '90-91 it went on for a couple of weeks IIRC....I can only imagine the chaos this would cause nowadays.
Let me get this straight; the country's supply of power is possibly being put in jeopardy all because 200 sparkies are owed a few months wages?
What the bloody f*ckin' hell? Pay them off, impose fines and contract breach suits on the subbies, get the tea drinkers back into their lucrative OT slots in moneypoint and stop this bloody nonsense before it starts!
Or we could all....you know, like, just do nothing and let things take their course and ring liveline next week to tell Joe all about the spoilt food in the freezer and such...

leninbenjamin

gcgirl wrote: »

whatever happened the insular ( detached; standing alone; isolated) Ireland that Devalera loved all those years ago!

goin back a bit here... but still, Dev and his immediate legacy made the country backrupt. world bank very nearly bailed us out. if we continued with Devs model we'd be a third world country basically.

billy the squid

Wertz wrote: »

nice.

So possible rolling blackouts eh? That time in '90-91 it went on for a couple of weeks IIRC....I can only imagine the chaos this would cause nowadays.
Let me get this straight; the country's supply of power is possibly being put in jeopardy all because 200 sparkies are owed a few months wages?
What the bloody f*ckin' hell? Pay them off, impose fines and contract breach suits on the subbies, get the tea drinkers back into their lucrative OT slots in moneypoint and stop this bloody nonsense before it starts!
Or we could all....you know, like, just do nothing and let things take their course and ring liveline next week to tell Joe all about the spoilt food in the freezer and such...

Between wages and pension payments that went missing, they are owed in the reagon of 1.5 million quid.

old boy

not the e.s.b.s fault they shelled out, why dont the unions contact their counterparts in poland and let them sort it out,

mike2084

In the event of black-outs it would be good if someone organised a national don't pay your next ESB bill protest

gcgirl

leninbenjamin wrote: »

goin back a bit here... but still, Dev and his immediate legacy made the country backrupt. world bank very nearly bailed us out. if we continued with Devs model we'd be a third world country basically.

i was being sarcastic as in lets keep every one out and it will all go way kind of thing!!

mikemac

seamus wrote: »

Unions will strike for any reason. The clock-watchers love nothing more than being able to sit at home with their feet up and drink tea. That's all they do in work anyway.

You don't get paid when on strike afaik

DarkJager wrote:

Not being racist, but does anybody think this whole Polish immigration is getting way out of hand??

Sigh, why do all these posts start with "not being a racist but........."
I know you're not a racist DarkJager because most Poles are white Europeans like yourself
So how can a Irish peron be racist against a Pole?
Xenophibic maybe but definitly not racist

jimmycrackcorm

Let the ESB go on strike; I don't care, I'll just use my laptop. Does anyone know if the blackouts will last more than 1.35 hours?

nesf

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Let the ESB go on strike; I don't care, I'll just use my laptop. Does anyone know if the blackouts will last more than 1.35 hours?

lol

billy the squid

Deferred for 24 hours ...

billy the squid

micmclo wrote: »

You don't get paid when on strike afaik


Sigh, why do all these posts start with "not being a racist but........."
I know you're not a racist DarkJager because most Poles are white Europeans like yourself
So how can a Irish peron be racist against a Pole?
Xenophibic maybe but definitly not racist

Your union pays you strike pay afaik.

billy the squid

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

This is bringing back very bad memories of the old "Rolling Blackout" system during the 80's...

*shivers*

Ah yes, when the country was divided into areas like Zone A, Zone B and Zone C. you used to have to check the paper every day to find out when your zone would be without power.

seamus

In the case of rolling blackouts, I'd say the unions might crumble faster than they think. When their little darlings start screaming and annoying them because they can't charge their iPod, play their XBox 360 or surf the web, they'll realise how much more reliant we've become on electricity in the last 20 years.

How many people even keep blackout kits anymore - candles, gas stoves and old-fashioned kettles?

Wertz

1.5 million eh? Peanuts in all reality compared to the possible inconvenience if it went ahead...33 cent per citizen? Christ, stick it on my next bill if you're that stuck for it in the ESB. I know they've already paid it and whatever, but their bottom line responsibility is to we, the customers, who under it's near-monopoly rely solely on them for our energy needs, management need to do whatever it takes to ensure no strike. I understand solidarity in this case and why the TEEU would strike over the unfair treatment, but the union need to see sense here too.
Where is this sub contractor in all this? That firm need to be forced to pay their bill, but in the mean time a loan should be given to recompense workers and get the heat off. I feel very sorry for any one stuck in the country with not a shilling in their pocket for nearly 2 months, especially given how hard these blokes work IME.

Oh yeah, anyone know what happens to cellphone masts during blackouts? Battery back up or loss of coverage or redundancy? What about wireless broadband and the like? Not much point in having the laptop charged up when the router doesn't feckin' work...

seamus

Wertz wrote: »

Oh yeah, anyone know what happens to cellphone masts during blackouts? Battery back up or loss of coverage or redundancy? What about wireless broadband and the like? Not much point in having the laptop charged up when the router doesn't feckin' work...

I would imagine that most masts would have a diesel generator backup that works for 12 or 24 hours to cope with blackouts. I would imagine though that some may have not been tested in a while and there'll be mobile phone outages in some areas if the blackouts occur.

Wireless broadband won't work if your receiver is plugged into the wall
If you're receiving your broadband via a PC card in a laptop, then you should be good. Assuming the transmitter's diesel backup is OK

nesf

seamus wrote: »

In the case of rolling blackouts, I'd say the unions might crumble faster than they think. When their little darlings start screaming and annoying them because they can't charge their iPod, play their XBox 360 or surf the web, they'll realise how much more reliant we've become on electricity in the last 20 years.

I can't see it going that far tbh. The public would turn really quickly against the unions if rolling blackouts were used, which considering the "local" aspect of the dispute mightn't be a very good idea. You might see a different form of industrial action being taken, like work to rule by non-critical staff or something.

seamus wrote: »

How many people even keep blackout kits anymore - candles, gas stoves and old-fashioned kettles?

My parents do, but the local transformer for the area has always been a bit temperamental and prone to going out at the most inconvenient of times, like Christmas Day.

Latchy

Originally Posted by gcgirl
whatever happened the insular ( detached; standing alone; isolated) Ireland that Devalera loved all those years ago!

It got invaded by reality.....