One in four Germans believes that the Nazis had their good side

Tigger · 19-10-2007 04:44PM

geuro wrote: »

naizs?

does the hat fit then; lol

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 19-10-2007 04:45PM

daithifleming wrote: »

Nice one, best of luck.

sound, enjoy yourself.

Orange69 · 19-10-2007 04:50PM

The Nazi's, a great bunch of lads

An Citeog · 19-10-2007 04:53PM

Brilliant, another sensationalist thread borne out of a nothing remark. :rolleyes:

It's a fact that the autobahn construction, carried out by the Nazis, was a good thing. During the initial years of the NSDAP regime, there was a huge economic upturn and the German people were sucked in. I'm in no way defending any of the despicable actions carried out by the Nazis but to label every German person at the time as inherently evil is also wrong. You also have to look at Germany in the 1920's and the devestating effects that the Treaty of Versailles had on the country and its economy.

RBD, why should every German person feel guilty about their past? And what entitles you to judge whether or not the level of guilt is sufficient? The Nazis are still a taboo topic in Germany and without feeling an overwhelming sense of guilt, people just tend to avoid the subject altogether. Should the entire English population also feel guilty about some of the atrocities committed by their nation? How about the Irish, French, Americans etc?

You might want to learn a bit more about German culture before you decide to offer such insightful opinions. :rolleyes:

Blowfish · 19-10-2007 04:59PM

rbd wrote: »

i agree have you seen the political compass

linkety link

http://http://politicalcompass.org/

I've seen that before, but it's been a while since I took it so I did it again. Apparently I'm Gandhi

keefg · 19-10-2007 05:00PM

Mordeth wrote: »

no.. you do the research so you'll have an opinion more grounded in fact than supposition....

Hmm, I'm not so sure Mordeth.........I suppose my neighbour is a witch. I have nothing more to go on that she....

a) Wears a lot of flowing black skirts.
b) Long scraggy hair
c) Owns a cat

I have done no further research but the facts I have are good enough for me :eek:

Anyway......back on topic.....

Tigger · 19-10-2007 05:01PM

An Citeog wrote: »

Brilliant, another sensationalist thread borne out of a nothing remark. :rolleyes:

is that not what this forum is for

serious discussion on serious topics surely would belong in a politic forum

fact

bold type facce so it must be true well thereis no arguing with that

RBD, why should every German person feel guilty about their past? And what entitles you to judge whether or not the level of guilt is sufficient?

i said in my opinion or i feel or some suitalbe qualifier as i knew ther'd be concequences if i didn't so my answer is it my opinion i'm not judging i'm jus giving my opinion

The Nazis are still a taboo topic in Germany and without feeling an overwhelming sense of guilt, people just tend to avoid the subject altogether. Should the entire English population also feel guilty about some of the atrocities committed by their nation? How about the Irish, French, Americans etc?

what did the irish and french do?

nothing thats what i've cunningly used bold here so thats him stuffed

You might want to learn a bit more about German culture before you decide to offer such insightful opinions. :rolleyes:

what like getting up early and putting towels on sunloungers ?

oh and i see that you admit its just my opinion

Tigger · 19-10-2007 05:03PM

keefg wrote: »

Hmm, I'm not so sure Mordeth.........I suppose my neighbour is a witch. I have nothing more to go on that she....

a) Wears a lot of flowing black skirts.
b) Long scraggy hair
c) Owns a cat

I have done no further research but the facts I have are good enough for me :eek:

Anyway......back on topic.....

[muffels self] NEWT [/muffels self]

Tigger · 19-10-2007 05:04PM

Blowfish wrote: »

I've seen that before, but it's been a while since I took it so I did it again. Apparently I'm Gandhi

i'm very not gandhi

Kess73 · 19-10-2007 05:05PM

These polls make me laugh. "One in four believe Nazis had their good sides"

It could also be taken as "Three in four do not think Nazis had their good side"

Things can be twisted and taken whatever way a reader wants to.

humanji · 19-10-2007 05:08PM

rbd wrote: »

what did the irish and french do?

nothing thats what i've cunningly used bold here so thats him stuffed

Well, by your reasoning, should you not feel guilty because of all the things the IRA did? Or because that Swiss girl was murdered? Or that some prick illegibly sprayed his name on my back wall? Why should people feel guilty for something if they've no real connection to it?

Tigger · 19-10-2007 05:08PM

Kess73 wrote: »

These polls make me laugh. "One in four believe Nazis had their good sides"

It could also be taken as "Three in four do not think Nazis had their good side"

Things can be twisted and taken whatever way a reader wants to.

yes funny

originaly posted by some bigwig;

Before you post a thread, consider the following:

- Is what I'm about to post relevant, coherent, funny or in any way interesting to other people?

- Does it add to the forum or is it another thread which is taking up space?

- Has it been posted before?

- Is it suitable for this forum?

An Citeog · 19-10-2007 05:09PM

rbd wrote: »

what did the irish and french do?

nothing thats what i've cunningly used bold here so thats him stuffed

Ever heard of Napoleon? What about the IRA? I'm not actually going to back this up with any facts and am prepared to judge the whole French nation based on their use of the guillotine. Should every nationalist sympathiser feel a sense of responsibility for atrocities such as the Omagh bombing and countless other campaigns in England?

rbd wrote:

what like getting up early and putting towels on sunloungers ?

oh and i see that you admit its just my opinion

Wtf?

Tigger · 19-10-2007 05:09PM

humanji wrote: »

Well, by your reasoning, should you not feel guilty because of all the things the IRA did? Or because that Swiss girl was murdered? Or that some prick illegibly sprayed his name on my back wall? Why should people feel guilty for something if they've no real connection to it?

did you not see the bold?

i wrote in bold look <points>

Orange69 · 19-10-2007 05:12PM

Blowfish wrote: »

I've seen that before, but it's been a while since I took it so I did it again. Apparently I'm Gandhi

I come out between the Dali Lama and Mandella, i figured i was more hard line than that..?

Tigger · 19-10-2007 05:13PM

Orange69 wrote: »

I come out between the Dali Lama and Mandella, i figured i was more hard line than that..?

mandella mr or mrs

she is quite hard line

Orange69 · 19-10-2007 05:15PM

rbd wrote: »

mandella mr or mrs

she is quite hard line

Mr I believe.. it didn't say...

Tigger · 19-10-2007 05:16PM

Orange69 wrote: »

Mr I believe.. it didn't say...

thats probably it

palaver · 19-10-2007 05:20PM

We all know ( or maybe you don't) that the Brits are obsessed with Hitler/Nazis, more so than the Germans are guilt-ridden. And now Murdoch's Times writes an article that delights all British airheads with poor history knowledge and the Irish sing the chorus to it. Isn't the Times the very same rag that picks up any morsel against Ireland, too? No?

The quotes in above article are completely out of context. I followed the whole story in more serious publications and it's more complex than the Brits are capable to describe it.

That films about Hitler show a more comic side apparantly just prooves that ther Germans learn to laugh.

Anyway, polls are done with random people in limited numbers, and you can read anything in the results, depending on the questions asked and the complexity of answers given.

Sure you believe everything which is written in British rags?
In that case, just you wait until we come over and show you ...

mike65 · 19-10-2007 05:20PM

Meh. All this might suggest is a classic case of "bounceback", for 60 years Germans have been made to feel guilty and suffocated under a Verboten dictate, not talking about nazism and its legacy has not been healthy for Germany. Now the cracks have appeared its quite possible that the 3rd Reich will actually get a slightly better press than it should. Hopefully balance will be achieved and ordinary Germans will be able to talk about 33-45 in a 'normal' fashion.

palaver I think you are confusing The Times with the Sun.

Mike.

r3nu4l · 19-10-2007 05:28PM

I know Germans in their 30's who do feel guilty about what their nation did. Perhaps this is because many of them grew up in the shadow of their parents guilt?

Did the Nazis have a good side? They sure did! Those uniforms were cool, fair play to Hugo Boss on the SS ones! Far more stylish than the other armies and without those uniforms, the BDSM fashion industry would be lost!

Orange69 · 19-10-2007 05:28PM

I think anyone more intelligent than a tennis ball can understands the rise of Nazism was a hugely complex and multi faceted phenomenon.. Plenty of nazis were probably good people but got mixed up in a machine bigger than themselves and probably genuinely believed what they were doing was right. And i bet many more were disgusted by the situation but felt powerless to stop it..

I for instance believe that the Irish government (FF) are utterly incompetent and quite corrupt but there is nothing i can do about it. Should i be blamed for their bumbling? When people look back in 30 years and cringe at the mistakes made will they say "all irish people back then were idiots to vote them in", is this fair?

An Citeog · 19-10-2007 05:34PM

Just to add, not every single German person went along with Hitler's ideals. This group (die Weiße Rose) were involved in the Nazi resistance. There's also a film being made about the whole resistance with Tom Cruise. Just in case any of you feel like investigating the topic a bit more.

mike65 · 19-10-2007 05:38PM

r3nu4l I agree about the threads - Alison Doody FTW.

Mike.

Terry · 19-10-2007 05:56PM

mike65 wrote: »

Meh. All this might suggest is a classic case of "bounceback", for 60 years Germans have been made to feel guilty and suffocated under a Verboten dictate, not talking about nazism and its legacy has not been healthy for Germany. Now the cracks have appeared its quite possible that the 3rd Reich will actually get a slightly better press than it should. Hopefully balance will be achieved and ordinary Germans will be able to talk about 33-45 in a 'normal' fashion.

palaver I think you are confusing The Times with the Sun.
I strongly agree with the rest of your post though.

Mike.

They are both owned by NewsCorp, Mike.

I don't feel guilty for what the IRA did. Why the **** should I?
Why should the Germans feel guilty for what Hitler and his cronies did?

So the Germans invaded some countries and killed lots of people.
It's no different to what the Spanish, French and British etc did in the past.
It's no different to the situation in the middle East right now.
Hitler didn't have the U.N. to tell him not to invade Poland.

mike65 · 19-10-2007 06:01PM

I strongly agree with the rest of your post though.

I did'nt say that! :eek:

Terry I know NewsCorp owns both but then Tony O'Reillys Independent News and Media own both the Herald and the Tribune, you would'nt mistake one for the other.

Mike.

MooseJam · 19-10-2007 06:15PM

they did stirling work in rocket science, paved the way for the moon landings, Go Nazis' go

Jesus Wept · 19-10-2007 06:24PM

daithifleming wrote: »

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The Times wrote:

Recent German-made films have attracted mass audiences by depicting Hitler as sad and mad as well as bad, or even as an impotent comic figure playing with toy battleships in his bath.

Top notch journalism there, they managed to get 'sad', 'mad', and 'bad' in within 7 words.

I'd expect it from The Sun, but not The Times...

What's next, the cat sat on the mat getting fat?

Terry · 19-10-2007 06:24PM

Don't forget the cheap cars.

mike65 · 19-10-2007 06:24PM

"Our Nazis are better than thier Nazis"

Mike.

One in four Germans believes that the Nazis had their good side

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