Polish as official 3rd language

Sponge Bob · 19-10-2007 01:27PM

digitally-yours wrote: »

Níor éist tú ar scoil , an ea ?????

Ach ná h-abair tada maith an buachaill nó ceapfaidh na Pólanaigh go bhfuilid dúr.

19-10-2007 01:29PM

Nobody has answered my question about if Polish is made an official 3rd language, would it be taught in the schools?

Would it be of any economic benefit to us if that were the case? I would see it as being more of an economic benefit to Polish people if they did learn to speak english.

digitally-yours · 19-10-2007 01:30PM

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Níor éist tú ar scoil , an ea ?????

Ach ná h-abair tada maith an buachaill nó ceapfaidh na Pólanaigh go bhfuilid dúr.

Kintarō Hattori · 19-10-2007 01:31PM

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Nach féidir leo Gaeilge a fhoghlam má tá siad dáiríre faoin tír seo, agus muna bhfuil nach féidir leo canúint wha bud story Bhaile Átha Cliath a fhoghlam ina h-áit .

Bhfearr liomsa Spáinis mar thriú theanga ....más gá ceann !

I like most Irish people haven't a clue what that man has just said.

Sponge Bob · 19-10-2007 01:33PM

eo980 wrote: »

I like most Irish people haven't a clue what that man has just said.

Ar cheart Pólanais a mhúineadh ar scoil donár bpáistí mar sin ??

Nó nach leanann tú an lóic leis seo ??

faceman · 19-10-2007 01:33PM

I dont agree with this either as it doesnt encourage integration.

It frustrates me when we all see and know the mistakes made in other countries with regards to integration but we are going down the same road.

digitally-yours · 19-10-2007 01:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Nobody has answered my question about if Polish is made an official 3rd language, would it be taught in the schools?

Would it be of any economic benefit to us if that were the case? I would see it as being more of an economic benefit to Polish people if they did learn to speak english.

Poland is not the hotspot in terms of trade and the economy is not growing at the speed they expected.Its slower the housing boom didnt happened there as the income of locals has hardly gone up since they joined EU.

I don't think there will be any significant advantages of learning polish.
That said you cannot underestimate any language

"knowledge is power"

jester77 · 19-10-2007 01:38PM

Teach Polish, we can't even teach Irish!
When you move to a foreign country it's up to you to learn it's language and follow their way of living/culture... well that's my opinion anyway. Of course the locals need to be understanding and helpful to you and help you to fit in!

Sponge Bob · 19-10-2007 01:40PM

jester77 wrote: »

Teach Polish, we can't even teach Irish!

Ná fiú Béarla , bud story wha! wha! wha!! bud.

mise_me_fein · 19-10-2007 01:41PM

growler wrote: »

have to disagree with you, the english government who bent over backwards to make all races / creeds feel welcome in sunny London by producing every governemet document in 40+ languages recently admitted that such a practice didn't help and actually reinforced the marginalisation of minorities. If someone is going to work live in ireland or anywhere, learn the native tongue, simple.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories

Yet we're still helping Polish, etc gain citizenship by accommodating them by putting the information in their native tongue............

Hey come to Ireland, don't learn English, Irish(What the hell is that), look just come over, work in some Polish place for a few years and then get your citizenship...happy days, you can now get the dole.

jester77 · 19-10-2007 01:42PM

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Ná fiú Béarla , bud story wha! wha! wha!! bud.

Seriously though, what % of the Irish population can hold a proper conversation as Gaeilge, not just the cupla focail? I doubt even half could but only speculating, perhaps someone has figures

digitally-yours · 19-10-2007 01:43PM

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Ná fiú Béarla , bud story wha! wha! wha!! bud.

We know you can speak Irish.I give you full credit for that.
But Irish Language is getting limited day by day.

layke · 19-10-2007 01:50PM

Ask me again in 20 years.

digitally-yours · 19-10-2007 01:51PM

jester77 wrote: »

Seriously though, what % of the Irish population can hold a proper conversation as Gaeilge, not just the cupla focail? I doubt even half could but only speculating, perhaps someone has figures

Your wish is my command

http://www.cso.ie/census/census2006results/volume_9/volume_9_irish_language_entire_volume.pdf

Ekancone · 19-10-2007 01:51PM

No. Any such resources could be used to get Polish people to attend English classes, or Irish classes.

Sponge Bob · 19-10-2007 01:53PM

agus Pólanais , figiúirí ???

Kintarō Hattori · 19-10-2007 01:53PM

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Ná fiú Béarla , bud story wha! wha! wha!! bud.

Actually it's a little annoying that your continuing to speak in Irish. You have a forum here for that. It's shameful that so few Irish people (myself included) can speak the language but that's the way it is.
What are you hoping to achieve, what point are you trying to make in continuing to post here in Irish knowing that the majority don't understand you and can't reply to what your saying.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 19-10-2007 01:58PM

Well I'm calling on the Minister for Education to consider teaching all 521 offical Nigerian languages too, shouldn't be a problem, haven't we just opened a school in Balbriggan for Africans?.

Sponge Bob · 19-10-2007 01:59PM

Mairt wrote: »

Well I'm calling on the Minister for Education to consider teaching all 521 offical Nigerian languages too,

Níl ann ach 419 díobh

Overheal · 19-10-2007 01:59PM

Every Polish person I've spoken to about it (admittably less than a dozen) all say they have no intention of staying - its just a fund-raising opportunity so they can for the most part go pack to Poland and pay for their College and such.

Nothing wrong with that, but until you begin seeing a significant number of permanent Polish residents (or naturalised Polish)....

Even still I agree whole heartedly that they should learn English and practise that. Polish history though? I'd consent to that - it makes sense to educate kids about the kind of people they live with. Personally I dont know a damn thing about Eastern Europe.

I mean - if you want them to know English, they should have you know a little about them too, correct? Its only good manners.

Scoobydoobydoo · 19-10-2007 02:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Nobody has answered my question about if Polish is made an official 3rd language, would it be taught in the schools?

Yes, I heard on the radio that this is also on the same agenda. I think as an optional subject as with French etc.

ednwireland · 19-10-2007 02:05PM

what a crazy idea just fishing for more readership i guess i actually speak polish brought up with it although born and bred in england. i think people are getting confused here if there were 250000 irish citizens living here who spoke only polish there may be an argument there (as in spanish in the US where many us citizens speak mainly spanish) but these people are here working for as long as there are jobs and many will move on so my answer is absolutely no to making it an official language.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 19-10-2007 02:05PM

faceman wrote: »

I dont agree with this either as it doesnt encourage integration.

It frustrates me when we all see and know the mistakes made in other countries with regards to integration but we are going down the same road.

Thats complete bullsh*t.

Last time I drove down Parnell St. (Chinese & Nigerian), Capel St. (Polish & east EU), Clanbrasill St. (Indian & Pakistan), Top of the NCR (Nigerian) I didn't see SS Gastapo guards rounding up the inmates and bricking them in!.

These people buy into certain area's, set up a little comfort zone, which attracts others and so 'quarters' are set up. Its not OUR making.

Scoobydoobydoo · 19-10-2007 02:07PM

Overheal wrote: »

Polish history though? I'd consent to that - it makes sense to educate kids about the kind of people they live with. Personally I dont know a damn thing about Eastern Europe.

I mean - if you want them to know English, they should have you know a little about them too, correct? Its only good manners.

Yes, a little Polish history maybe, but not more than any other foreign country's history. I don't believe it should be made more relevant just because a large number of their people have decided to come here.

Scoobydoobydoo · 19-10-2007 02:11PM

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Ar cheart Pólanais a mhúineadh ar scoil donár bpáistí mar sin ??

Nó nach leanann tú an lóic leis seo ??

Good point, Sponge Bob

jester77 · 19-10-2007 02:12PM

digitally-yours wrote: »

Your wish is my command

http://www.cso.ie/census/census2006results/volume_9/volume_9_irish_language_entire_volume.pdf

Cheers for that! I was a bit optimistic with my 50%, just over 40% can speak if the figures are honest!

Sponge Bob · 19-10-2007 02:12PM

Scoobydoobydoo wrote: »

Yes, a little Polish history maybe, but not more than any other foreign country's history. I don't believe it should be made more relevant just because a large number of their people have decided to come here.

Ach tá sé an chongarach are go leor bealach. Maraíodh an oiread de dhaonra na Pólaine 1939-1947 agus a maraíodh de dhaonra na h-Éireann 1645-1655 mar shampla...nó de dhaonra na Gearmáine 1620 -1630.

mise_me_fein · 19-10-2007 02:19PM

Fair play on the Irish Sponge Bob but I like many don't understand it enough, but if I have children they will.

Irish is growing, more and more Irish schools are being set up. We could be truly bi-lingual in 30 years if we worked at it.

What language do people speak in The Ukraine? I think they're in a bit of a similar spot over there. I think most speak Russian. They're gonna get their language back though.

Scoobydoobydoo · 19-10-2007 02:21PM

Mairt wrote: »

Thats complete bullsh*t.

Last time I drove down Parnell St. (Chinese & Nigerian), Capel St. (Polish & east EU), Clanbrasill St. (Indian & Pakistan), Top of the NCR (Nigerian) I didn't see SS Gastapo guards rounding up the inmates and bricking them in!.

These people buy into certain area's, set up a little comfort zone, which attracts others and so 'quarters' are set up. Its not OUR making.

I think the argument is not that it's our making, but rather that we're letting it happen. However natural it might be for various nationalities to create their own little communities, some think that this leads to ghettos so is a bad idea. There will I'm sure be some immigrants who would settle themselves into these communities, and not bother to mix with natives, or even learn the language. Down the line they may start to feel isolated, even if it's largely of their own doing, and this could lead to bigger, long term problems.

syklops · 19-10-2007 02:25PM

Scoobydoobydoo wrote: »

I would not agree with your attitude of showing more concern for a foreign tongue than your own heritage blah blah blah.

I would not agree with this in a million years, let alone ten.

Personally, I'd have more use for French, Italian or German, as I would visit these countries on a regular basis. I've no intentions of visiting Poland on a regular basis, but also the language doesn't appeal to me to want to learn it. I have only met one Polish person in Ireland, but if I was meeting them every day of my life, I still wouldn't want it as an official language. I would be offended if any language was made an official third language.

I wouldn't care if any particular nationality overtook the Irish population in Ireland, I still would be set against any change.

I think it is extremely cheeky for anyone to make this suggestion. This is not compatible with integration. They wouldn't have to bother learning English if this happened.

You have only met one polish person? Where do you live? Inis Mann?

Im sorry you do not agree with my point of view, and please remember, I have absolute respect for my heritage, and I recognise that irish is a part of that heritage, I do not agree with the way the language is force fed to students and the population in general. A sure fire way of making people resent the language is making people learn it who do not want to.

I do meet polish people everyday. My girlfriend is Polish, my next door neighbour is polish. I work with Polish people, they guy who drives the bus i get in the morning is polish, and have a few words in the language is very useful. Between getting up and arriving in work I have met 5 people who speak polish as there first language, and none who speak Irish as their first language.

Also please note I am against its introduction aswell.

To sponge-bob, I managed to pick out a few words of what you said. Had you written it in polish, at least I would have found someone nearby who could translate it. No one in work/home was able to translate this.

Polish as official 3rd language

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