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Dublin Bus Routes 15B/C & 74/A

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  • #62
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Yes indeed Frodi,just as the good Prof V sez,there is no stop there.
    Are you sure you have`nt been at your own product..?

    EVERYBODY knows that in the aftermath of the Wellington Quay disaster a FULL Health and Safety based Risk Analysis programme was instituted for ALL Bus Atha Cliath stops which did see a small number removed or relocated (Usually to locations most unpopular with Customers).

    The issue of "Accessible" vehicles may well centre around their greater width (2.55 Mtr as against 2.50Mtr) over standard buses OR most likely it refers to the requirement for approx 1 mtr of clearance to allow for deployment of the Wheelchair Ramp.

    The standard procedure along this stretch of road for ALL inbound traffic meeting a Bus is to make a dive for the footpath and hope that you make it onto one of the cutaways........coming the other way...well...it helps if you have power operated door mirrors which fold in tight against the bodywork.. :cool:


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #63
    aphex™
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭aphex™


    looks like everything is ready to roll now. All the information is available on this link.

    I can't imagine anybody from Whitechurch or Ballyboden being too happy about taking the 15b though Templeogue. They really should skip it, it's a traffic jam black spot in the evenings. It is not clear if it is still going down Marian road. Anybody know?

    74a has almost same timetable as the old 15c. No improvement in frequency so.


  • #64
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,704 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    They have actually produced a 8 page booklet for these changes.

    But it doesn't deal with the 74. It only gives the new timetables for the 15/15b/15e/15f and 74a. It gives the 15x morning departure, but not the evening. Sound familiar?

    15 - doubled
    15a - some timetable changes
    15b - doubled, terminus moved, revised route
    15c - cancelled repalced by 15b and 74a
    15e - no change
    15f - no change
    15x - no change
    15n - extended to Ellensborough


  • #65
    KC61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    aphex&#8482 wrote:
    looks like everything is ready to roll now. All the information is available on this link.

    I can't imagine anybody from Whitechurch or Ballyboden being too happy about taking the 15b though Templeogue. They really should skip it, it's a traffic jam black spot in the evenings. It is not clear if it is still going down Marian road. Anybody know?

    74a has almost same timetable as the old 15c. No improvement in frequency so.

    The 15B routing remains exactly the same as before, except that it is extended to Whitechurch and does not loop around Ballyroan church.

    Your analysis of the 15C -v- 74A is incorrect.

    Mon/Fri Out 15c -21 Old 74A - 6 New 74A - 30
    Mon/Fri In 15c - 23 Old 74A - 6 New 74A - 31
    Saturday Out 15c - 15 (One via 15b) 74A - 22
    Saturday In 15c - 15 74A - 23
    Sunday Out 15c - 14 (One via 15b) 74A - 15
    Sunday In 15c - 13 74A - 14

    Therefore there is an improvement all week, particularly as there will no longer be 15C and 74A buses operating within minutes of each other, with improved spacing of services.

    However, I agree with your comment regarding Whitechurch. As I've said elsewhere, at the very least a rush hour 15C service should have been maintained.

    Residents at the southern end of Ballyboden can use the 74A or the 15b so they are in a win win situation.


  • #66
    KC61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    Victor wrote:
    They have actually produced a 8 page booklet for these changes.

    But it doesn't deal with the 74. It only gives the new timetables for the 15/15b/15e/15f and 74a. It gives the 15x morning departure, but not the evening. Sound familiar?

    15 - doubled
    15a - some timetable changes
    15b - doubled, terminus moved, revised route
    15c - cancelled repalced by 15b and 74a
    15e - no change
    15f - no change
    15x - no change
    15n - extended to Ellensborough

    The 15b has not been doubled. Rather, the service to/from Whitechurch has been more than doubled.


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  • #67
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,704 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    KC61 wrote:
    The 15b has not been doubled. Rather, the service to/from Whitechurch has been more than doubled.
    Apologies. I was paraphrasing the marketing-speak and didn't realise the difference.


  • #68
    KC61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    Has anyone any experience of the first weekday operation of these changes?

    Did the 15B take significantly longer than the 15C?

    I understand that as of this morning the old timetables are still displayed on many stops and very amateurly prepared handwritten notices placed on some stops advising people of the changes.

    This was especially the case at Woodstown.

    Yet again Dublin Bus customer service lets itself down again.


  • #69
    Luckycharm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Luckycharm


    Saw a load of poeple waiting at the bus stop at Woodstown - I am wondering if they knew the 49 no longer went up there? Was there any notices put up in the area? Also I see new bus stops along Colmcilles way towards the M50 exit what bus is going to go down there?


  • #70
    aphex™
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭aphex™


    Luckycharm wrote:
    Colmcilles way towards the M50 exit what bus is going to go down there?
    74 I think


  • #71
    Luckycharm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Luckycharm


    74 I thought went down Ballycullen road then up Firhouse road same as 49 route.


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  • #72
    Prof_V
    Closed Accounts Posts: 122 ✭✭Prof_V


    The 15F uses St. Colmcille's Way (as does the 15N, I think). The stops have been there for years - are you sure they're new and not just repainted? (They could have been relocated, I suppose.)


  • #73
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,704 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    I was shocked this morning, I had no queue of buses for me in Rathmines. :(

    :)


  • #74
    frodi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭frodi


    KC61 wrote:
    Has anyone any experience of the first weekday operation of these changes?

    Did the 15B take significantly longer than the 15C?

    .

    This morning the 15B at 07:50 took over an hour to reach Rathgar. The route seems to be particularly convoluted. Maybe there is a case for an xpress in the morning that only stops at certain places and takes a more direct route.
    If this keeps up then in the long run this will not be a viable option.


  • #75
    KC61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    frodi wrote:
    This morning the 15B at 07:50 took over an hour to reach Rathgar. The route seems to be particularly convoluted. Maybe there is a case for an xpress in the morning that only stops at certain places and takes a more direct route.
    If this keeps up then in the long run this will not be a viable option.

    This was a serious error of judgement by Dublin Bus. A 15C service should have been maintained inbound during the morning peak and outbound in the evening peak. During the off-peak and at weekends it is perfectly ok for the 15B to serve Whitechurch as it does not take too much longer, but it is not acceptable during the rush hour.

    I would advise calling Ringsend Garage on 01-7034533 and asking for Martin Duggan (District Manager) to complain about this. And get others to do so as well. This is the only way to get this fixed.


  • #76
    KC61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    Another problem with the new timetable is the lack of any integration between the 15, 15A and 15B timetables outbound.

    Previously, there was a more or less integrated service to Rathgar between the 15, 15A, 15B and 15C (the 15E/15F and 15X were additional). In other words buses would depart Eden Quay at evenly spaced intervals. For example buses would depart Monday/Friday every 4 minutes between 1621 and 1745 and then every 5 minutes until 1845.

    Now there are gaps, and at numerous times there are buses leaving at the same time!

    The service in the same period from 1620 to 1745 is now as follows (ignoring 15E, 15F and 15X as these take a different route or do not stop):

    1620 15 / 15A
    1625 15B
    1630 15
    1635 15A
    1640 15 / 15B
    1650 15 / 15A
    1655 15B
    1705 15 / 15A
    1710 15B
    1720 15/ 15A
    1725 15B
    1730 15 / 15A
    1735 15A
    1740 15 / 15B

    Why the scheduler could not operate an evenly spaced service at 4 minute frequency instead of this hotch potch is beyond comprehension.

    On Saturday afternoons it is even worse!

    Between 1500 and 1600 there was a bus perfectly every 6 minutes between the 15, 15A and 15B.

    Now buses leave at:

    1500 15B
    1505 15
    1510 15A
    1520 15 / 15B
    1525 15A
    1540 15 / 15A / 15B
    1555 15A
    1600 15 / 15B

    In other words a 15 minute gap and then THREE buses at once!!!

    Can they ever get it right?


  • #77
    Luckycharm
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    frodi wrote:
    This morning the 15B at 07:50 took over an hour to reach Rathgar. The route seems to be particularly convoluted. Maybe there is a case for an xpress in the morning that only stops at certain places and takes a more direct route.
    If this keeps up then in the long run this will not be a viable option.

    Well I would blame the bottleneck that is at the top of Templeougue road where Rathdown motors is. The sequence of the lights there is dreadful one will be green while the next 20ms on is Red so no traffic gets through.


  • #78
    KC61
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    Luckycharm wrote:
    Well I would blame the bottleneck that is at the top of Templeougue road where Rathdown motors is. The sequence of the lights there is dreadful one will be green while the next 20ms on is Red so no traffic gets through.

    This junction is one of the trickiest in Dublin as there are three competing traffic flows:

    1) Eastbound traffic from Templeogue Road onto Terenure Place & Terenure Cross
    2) Eastbound traffic from Terenure Road West onto Terenure Place and Terenure Cross
    3) North/southbound traffic off Rathfarnham Road/Terenure Road North
    4) Westbound traffic from Terenure Road East

    Basically three very heavy traffic flows, two of which merge into one crossing the other.


  • #79
    Lizzykins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Lizzykins


    I know it's a bit early to say but the 15 is running like clockwork this last week or so. I've had no more than a 5 minute wait the last few mornings and afternoons. I'm still reserving judgement though!


  • #80
    leche solara
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    Dublin Bus' contempt for its customers never ceases to amaze.
    I was involved in a long thread earlier in the year about the dreadful service of the outbound 15X. Around the time of the election, and something every politician of every party laid claim to, they introduced the 74A from Eden Quay. While it wasnt an express at least it came every day, and it took from 1700 to about 1745 to get to Ballyboden Road. I could live with that, and there was always the 15C as back up. In the meantime the 15X took to missing Eden Quay altogether and turned from Tara Street on to Burgh Quay and from there on to D'Olier Street. This meant that despite the timetable on dublinbus.ie saying that the 15X runs from Eden Quay, this was not the case in fact. I was glad not to have to depend on the 15X any longer, as it only arrived on time about 1 day in 5, and only about once in ten journeys were the limited stops observed. More often than not the 15X would stop in Rathmines, Rathgar, and Bushy Park Road both setting down and taking on passengers. I was fast heading for a nervous breakdown.

    Then this week they went and ruined it all. They moved the 74A to what they refer to as Pearse Street, but its not clear whether this is meant to be Macken Street or College Street. The timetable says it goes at 1700. I now have to leave work about 5 minutes earlier to get to College Street instead of Eden Quay, but the 1700 74A has not arrived once. Since Monday I have been back to using the dreaded 15X, but at least with its new Eden Quay avoidance route (it still says Eden Quay on the website) it has been getting to College Street for about 1700. It comes up Pearse Street now.
    But today it didnt arrive until 1720 and without the backup of the 15C I had no alternative but to wait for it. By now it was peak traffic, and a 5 minute delay leaving the city centre usually leads to a 10 or more minute delay getting home. As I expected, it stopped in Rathmines and on Bushy Park Road. When I finally got home at about 1830, (after having left work at 1645, and having travelled on an express bus) I phoned 7054533 to complain about the absent 74A. A pleasant enough man told me that the 74A originates in Macken Street and should take about 10 minutes to get to College Street. Then he went off to check and came back to say that he thinks the driver of the 74A might have gone out as a 74 all this week.

    What a complete pile of crap.

    The 74A was working well from Eden Quay.
    There is not sufficient alternatives to cancel the 15C
    The 15X is a rip off - they are charging a premium fare for a bus that is not run properly as an express.
    The 15X never goes near Eden Quay despite what it says on the website.

    Is Dublin Bus' motto "If its not broken break it"


  • #81
    KC61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    leche solara wrote:
    Dublin Bus' contempt for its customers never ceases to amaze.
    I was involved in a long thread earlier in the year about the dreadful service of the outbound 15X. Around the time of the election, and something every politician of every party laid claim to, they introduced the 74A from Eden Quay. While it wasnt an express at least it came every day, and it took from 1700 to about 1745 to get to Ballyboden Road. I could live with that, and there was always the 15C as back up. In the meantime the 15X took to missing Eden Quay altogether and turned from Tara Street on to Burgh Quay and from there on to D'Olier Street. This meant that despite the timetable on dublinbus.ie saying that the 15X runs from Eden Quay, this was not the case in fact. I was glad not to have to depend on the 15X any longer, as it only arrived on time about 1 day in 5, and only about once in ten journeys were the limited stops observed. More often than not the 15X would stop in Rathmines, Rathgar, and Bushy Park Road both setting down and taking on passengers. I was fast heading for a nervous breakdown.

    Then this week they went and ruined it all. They moved the 74A to what they refer to as Pearse Street, but its not clear whether this is meant to be Macken Street or College Street. The timetable says it goes at 1700. I now have to leave work about 5 minutes earlier to get to College Street instead of Eden Quay, but the 1700 74A has not arrived once. Since Monday I have been back to using the dreaded 15X, but at least with its new Eden Quay avoidance route (it still says Eden Quay on the website) it has been getting to College Street for about 1700. It comes up Pearse Street now.
    But today it didnt arrive until 1720 and without the backup of the 15C I had no alternative but to wait for it. By now it was peak traffic, and a 5 minute delay leaving the city centre usually leads to a 10 or more minute delay getting home. As I expected, it stopped in Rathmines and on Bushy Park Road. When I finally got home at about 1830, (after having left work at 1645, and having travelled on an express bus) I phoned 7054533 to complain about the absent 74A. A pleasant enough man told me that the 74A originates in Macken Street and should take about 10 minutes to get to College Street. Then he went off to check and came back to say that he thinks the driver of the 74A might have gone out as a 74 all this week.

    What a complete pile of crap.

    The 74A was working well from Eden Quay.
    There is not sufficient alternatives to cancel the 15C
    The 15X is a rip off - they are charging a premium fare for a bus that is not run properly as an express.
    The 15X never goes near Eden Quay despite what it says on the website.

    Is Dublin Bus' motto "If its not broken break it"

    There was insufficient space on Eden Quay to cope with the enhanced 74/A together with the increased services on the 15 group .

    The 74/74A operate inbound via Townsend Street, Hanover Street, Lime Street, Sir John Rogersons Quay to terminate at Macken Street.

    They turn right onto Pearse Street and the first stop inbound after Macken Street is the first pick up stop.

    The 1700 service if operating correctly should take 5-10 minutes to get to College Street, but it can take longer due to the traffic in Pearse Street. In fairness if it was to go via Eden Quay it would take even longer with the traffic in Tara Street and D'Olier Street. Things are bad enough as it is!

    And as I said in another thread bear in mind that DB are losing terminus space all the time in the city - that's the Council's fault. That's why these buses are having to go to/from Macken Street.


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  • #82
    Victor
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    From Rathmines, I think the 15* has shown up a little bit quicker this week alright. I've not seen any 74/74As.

    Some timetables in Rathmines have been updated, but there isn't always space on the carousels due to the large number of sub-routes.

    The timetables on Eden Quay are the old ones.
    KC61 wrote:
    And as I said in another thread bear in mind that DB are losing terminus space all the time in the city - that's the Council's fault. That's why these buses are having to go to/from Macken Street.
    I think its good that new and / or extended buses are operating from the docklands to other locations.


  • #83
    LiamD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 511 ✭✭✭LiamD


    I used the 15/15b/15c/15x last year to get from home in Knocklyon to College in the city centre and I complained on here more than once at how awful the service was, taking anywhere between 60 and 120 minutes to make the peak time commute. Over the summer I bought a scooter and just for a second I thought that maybe the money I have just put into getting it on the road was poorly spent and even considered selling it off and getting my money back! But alas, yesterday I used the "improved" 15 service and it seems the scooter is going to stay.

    I left my house at 1350 and got to the stop just below Superquinn on the Knocklyon road at about 1358, expecting to be waiting only a few minutes for the next bus (leaving Scholarstown 1355). By 1405 it hadn't come, I must have missed it, or so I thought even though there was another girl at the bus stop before me but not to worry, there's one at 1405. 1415 and still no bus, but one had gone up the other way in the meatime. 1420 came and went, no bus, by this time there should have been another 15 leaving Scholarstown. 1430 and still standing waiting but another 15 has passed up the other way. Eventually at 1438 or so (another bus scheduled to leave at 1435) one arrived. It made it to town at about 1515. I heard the girl who was waiting before me comment that she had been there since 1345 and was now late for an interview.

    So my commute, at 2 O'clock in the afternoon with light traffic on the supposedly improved 15 service took nearly 80 minutes. In that time it seems that 3 buses failed to appear (4 if the girl waiting before me is to be believed). Despite the problem there was at least one bus waiting at the terminus for at least 15 mins, because I saw it go up the knocklyon road at about 1410 and no bus made it back down the road until 1438.

    Did the meaning of improvement change recently?


  • #84
    Michael Collins
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,852 Mod ✭✭✭✭Michael Collins


    LiamD wrote:
    I used the 15/15b/15c/15x last year to get from home in Knocklyon to College in the city centre and I complained on here more than once at how awful the service was, taking anywhere between 60 and 120 minutes to make the peak time commute. Over the summer I bought a scooter and just for a second I thought that maybe the money I have just put into getting it on the road was poorly spent and even considered selling it off and getting my money back! But alas, yesterday I used the "improved" 15 service and it seems the scooter is going to stay.

    I left my house at 1350 and got to the stop just below Superquinn on the Knocklyon road at about 1358, expecting to be waiting only a few minutes for the next bus (leaving Scholarstown 1355). By 1405 it hadn't come, I must have missed it, or so I thought even though there was another girl at the bus stop before me but not to worry, there's one at 1405. 1415 and still no bus, but one had gone up the other way in the meatime. 1420 came and went, no bus, by this time there should have been another 15 leaving Scholarstown. 1430 and still standing waiting but another 15 has passed up the other way. Eventually at 1438 or so (another bus scheduled to leave at 1435) one arrived. It made it to town at about 1515. I heard the girl who was waiting before me comment that she had been there since 1345 and was now late for an interview.

    So my commute, at 2 O'clock in the afternoon with light traffic on the supposedly improved 15 service took nearly 80 minutes. In that time it seems that 3 buses failed to appear (4 if the girl waiting before me is to be believed). Despite the problem there was at least one bus waiting at the terminus for at least 15 mins, because I saw it go up the knocklyon road at about 1410 and no bus made it back down the road until 1438.

    Did the meaning of improvement change recently?

    Have you sent this to Dublin Bus? They should be made aware of situations like this. Maybe if you send it by post it might make more of an impact as opposed to an email. You're less likely to get the 'standard reply' that way.


  • #85
    aphex™
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭aphex™


    15b won't be going to Whitechurch as of 18.00 this evening due to antisocial behavior. Whitechurch is now without a bus service. The 15b will be using the old terminus in Ballyroan.

    Details here http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1016/bus.html

    In a related note, the amount of graffiti on the 15b buses since they started going up to Whitechurch is unbelievable.


  • #86
    delta_bravo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭delta_bravo


    aphex™ wrote: »
    15b won't be going to Whitechurch as of 18.00 this evening due to antisocial behavior. Whitechurch is now without a bus service. The 15b will be using the old terminus in Ballyroan.

    Details here http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1016/bus.html

    In a related note, the amount of graffiti on the 15b buses since they started going up to Whitechurch is unbelievable.

    Rightly so, nobody deserves to deal with that kind of shit


  • #87
    MiniD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭MiniD


    delta_bravo wrote: »
    Rightly so, nobody deserves to deal with that kind of shit

    Absolutely, I fully support the decision to remove services from Whitechurch. Isn't it crazy. Dublin Bus improve the service to Whitechurch by extending the 15B and in return, the drivers get assaulted.

    While the 15B is in the news today, this problem is citywide on both bus and Luas services. There is no guarantee of safety for drivers or passengers who choose to use public transport.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055132445&highlight=safety


  • #88
    [Deleted User]
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    delta_bravo wrote: »
    Rightly so, nobody deserves to deal with that kind of shit

    I completely agree. But in the space of 3 weeks the bus services for me have gone from being lengthened to being cut completely, with the only bus now serving me being the 16 which rarely arrives on time. Huzzah!

    On the plus side, if they are cutting the 15b to whitechurch entirely they should at least retain the peak time buses. I seriously doubt that anyone would cause trouble at 8 in the morning, but after reading the above who knows.


  • #89
    KC61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,316 ✭✭✭KC61


    Myth wrote: »
    I completely agree. But in the space of 3 weeks the bus services for me have gone from being lengthened to being cut completely, with the only bus now serving me being the 16 which rarely arrives on time. Huzzah!

    On the plus side, if they are cutting the 15b to whitechurch entirely they should at least retain the peak time buses. I seriously doubt that anyone would cause trouble at 8 in the morning, but after reading the above who knows.

    They are not cutting the 15B entirely to Ballyroan, only after 6pm.

    The 74A is still operating normally, serving Ballyboden which, while not ideal, is a bit closer to Whitechurch than Ballyroan.


  • #90
    [Deleted User]
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    KC61 wrote: »
    They are not cutting the 15B entirely to Ballyroan, only after 6pm.

    The article isn't clear on that point, I read it as how from 6pm today Whitechurch will no longer be served at all, not that it will not be served after 6pm. Any other sources available for this??


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  • #91
    [Deleted User]
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    RTÉ news just mentioned that after 6pm each evening they won't be going up to Whitechurch as you mention KC61. At least that's something.


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