Dublin Bus Routes 15B/C & 74/A

frodi

I read about changes in these routes in Tom Kitts election literature. Apparently the plan is to amalgamate the 15C in a new route 74A and to extend the 15B from Scholarstown Rd to Whitechurch. I cannot find anything about this on Dublinbus.ie which is a bit much considering that it is supposed to be starting on 21st May.
I'm not much of a user of public transport, not enough patience, prefer to use my motorbike but my son uses the 15C for school. He's a bit put out by this as the 15B leaves him a fair distance to walk at the other end and he already has a bit of a walk to get to the 15C in the first place.

leche solara

I'm surprised that you are surprised.
Dublin Bus has to be the most frustrating company in Ireland
Don't get me going on the 15X:mad:

stiofanD

If you read Tom Kitt's site carefully, you'll note that he uses the word 'proposed' an awful lot. I'm personally taking his announcement with a pinch of salt, and will believe in the new bus routes when I actually see them rolling past me.

Personally, as a Ballyboden resident, I think they'd be much better off to extend the 161 from Nutgrove to Dundrum and increase its frequency, thereby giving the area a link to the Luas and a decent shopping centre.

markpb

stiofanD wrote:

thereby giving the area a link to the Luas and a decent shopping centre.

DB don't do connections to other public transport, unless it's by accident

frodi

stiofanD wrote:

If you read Tom Kitt's site carefully, you'll note that he uses the word 'proposed' an awful lot. I'm personally taking his announcement with a pinch of salt, and will believe in the new bus routes when I actually see them rolling past me.

Personally, as a Ballyboden resident, I think they'd be much better off to extend the 161 from Nutgrove to Dundrum and increase its frequency, thereby giving the area a link to the Luas and a decent shopping centre.

I saw that, but in the literature I got he actually has dates. 21st May for the 74A (nicely just before election) and June 2007 for the 15B/C change. If I'm feeling bored & brave I might try ringing DB later.

Michael Collins

frodi wrote:

I saw that, but in the literature I got he actually has dates. 21st May for the 74A (nicely just before election) and June 2007 for the 15B/C change. If I'm feeling bored & brave I might try ringing DB later.

I'd be very interested to know what you find out (if anything!). The frequency of the route is particularly vague. 4 departures between 6.30am & 8am isn't very much?

...Don't get me going on the 15X...

Tell me about it! I'd been getting buses into and out of Merrion Square (from Rathfarnham) for over a year until I found out about that bus, there's no mention of it on any timetables on any bus stop! They should rename it the Ghost Bus...

frodi

I rang DB this afternoon. After getting thro the usual "Your call is important to us" routine I finally got to speak to a human. "Oh yes it's changing all right but we don't know anything about it yet.! We'll probably be told about it the day before." .



AAAARRRRRGFGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH! What an excuse for a service.

KC61

Michael Collins wrote:

I'd be very interested to know what you find out (if anything!). The frequency of the route is particularly vague. 4 departures between 6.30am & 8am isn't very much?



Tell me about it! I'd been getting buses into and out of Merrion Square (from Rathfarnham) for over a year until I found out about that bus, there's no mention of it on any timetables on any bus stop! They should rename it the Ghost Bus...

The plan is for the 74 and 74A to run at half-hourly frequencies throughout the day thereby providing a 15 minute frequency to Ballycullen.

The initial frequency of four departures is just that - an initial service until the 15B/15C review.

I would expect that rush hour services on the 15C will remain via Ballyboden Road and Rathfarnham but that off-peak there will be an increase in frequency of service to Whitechurch with the 15B extended to Whitechurch.

Either way Ballyboden will not lose out because the 74A at a 30 minute frequency will improve the current schedule!

frodi

KC61 wrote:

The plan is for the 74 and 74A to run at half-hourly frequencies throughout the day thereby providing a 15 minute frequency to Ballycullen.

The initial frequency of four departures is just that - an initial service until the 15B/15C review.

I would expect that rush hour services on the 15C will remain via Ballyboden Road and Rathfarnham but that off-peak there will be an increase in frequency of service to Whitechurch with the 15B extended to Whitechurch.

Either way Ballyboden will not lose out because the 74A at a 30 minute frequency will improve the current schedule!

From what I read the 74A will not service the Whitechurch Estate & Whitechurch Rd. So a more frequent service to Ballycullen is nice but it's no good if the nearest it come to you is at least a mile further away. It's nice to expect these things but a little certainty would be nice. It appears that the 15C route will amalgamate with the 74A but that the 15B will not service the Whitechurch area for another few weeks. A little local consultation would be nice. Hell even put a few notices on the the 15C buses. Is that too much to ask. This is all to start in 11 days time and the first I hear of it is from an electioneering TD. Normally I would just bin this stuff.

KC61

frodi wrote:

From what I read the 74A will not service the Whitechurch Estate & Whitechurch Rd. So a more frequent service to Ballycullen is nice but it's no good if the nearest it come to you is at least a mile further away. It's nice to expect these things but a little certainty would be nice. It appears that the 15C route will amalgamate with the 74A but that the 15B will not service the Whitechurch area for another few weeks. A little local consultation would be nice. Hell even put a few notices on the the 15C buses. Is that too much to ask. This is all to start in 11 days time and the first I hear of it is from an electioneering TD. Normally I would just bin this stuff.

To try and clarify the confusion here is the sequence of events:

1) Routes 74 and 74A launch with limited peak hour service - No change to 15/15B/15C - To happen in May

2) Route 74 and 74A to become all day services; Route 15 to increase in frequency; Route 15B to extend from Ballyroan to Whitechurch, replacing route 15C.To happen in June.

At that stage I would see that Whitechurch will have a far greater number of buses due to the 15B extension (albeit via Templeogue), but I would imagine that rush hour services will continue to route via the current 15C routing. Route 74A will offer a 30 minute frequency along Ballyboden Road all day which will mean that customers along the route from city to Taylors Lane via Rathfarnham will also benefit.

The reason for the uncertainty regarding dates is due to a number of factors:

1) New driver recruitment to staff the new services
2) Driver rosters to be agreed with the unions
3) Schedules/Routes to be approved by the Department of Transport

Each of these can cause delays and the latter can be quite tricky if another operator who holds a licence to serve an area (whether planned or existing) objects, this can cause major delays. A real anomaly is that there appears to be no time limit on how long an operator can sit on a licence before operating a service and can still object to plans by Dublin Bus or any other operator despite the fact that he could be months (or even years) away from commencing his own service.

The net result is that once all of the three hurdles above are crossed then the services are generally implemented with maybe four or five days notice on the Dublin Bus website.

If you are concerned why not contact the District Manager in Ringsend Garage at 01-7034529 during business hours. He should be able to confirm exactly what is planned as all schedule planning is done at garage level.

What will happen the 15X I don't know!

frodi

Just got a reply from Dublin Bus

Yes that is correct we will have the 74/74a route up and running by May 21st. And the changes on the 15’s will happen in June.

In relation to the information bureau and the Website, simply put, we can’t put out information yet because the license hasn’t been granted yet but it will be. I will e-mail you when I have anymore information at hand.

John Graham

Administration Officer

Customer Services

Dublin Bus

Ph 7033160

john.graham@dublinbus.ie

Would have been nice if there was some consultation.

leche solara

KC61 wrote:

What will happen the 15X I don't know!

A new driver started on the 15X yesterday and said he was going to be the regular driver. On the way out of town yesterday he got the usual suspects who want to get off in Rathmines and Rathgar and all the other places. He let them all off but warned them that if they ever tried it again they would be brought all the way to Rathfarnham. This evening he announced at every stop that he would not be stopping at Rathmines, Rathgar or Terenure and no one dared ring the bell before Rathfarnham. Don't know whether it was his threat or whether it was because a 15A, 15B and 15 had just gone out ahead.

I hope the 15X is kept on, and I hope this driver is kept on it. He is the first in a long time who actually understands that we pay the extra for an express bus. Recently the drivers on the X have been different almost every day, and they don't recognise the same bloody people ringing the bell in Rathmines every single day. I can't wait for the Chinese bitch, who every day pretends to know no English, to ring the bell in Rathmines with this new driver, and getting brought to Rathfarnham. There will be a round of applause from the passengers.

KC61

The Ringsend operated Euro duties (i.e. 15E, 15F, 15X, 49X, 50X, 65X and 77X) will be operated from Broadstone depot from either next Monday or the Monday following, but still controlled from Ringsend depot.

This should mean a huge improvement in the standard of bus operating these services.

KC61

This switch to Broadstone took place this morning which has resulted in brand new buses now operating on routes 15E, 15F, 15X, 49X, 50X, 65X and 77X.

KC61

Both the 74 and 74A will launch next Monday on a peak hour basis only - full details and timetables can be obtained by following the link below:

http://www.dublinbus.ie/news_centre/latest_news.asp?action=view&news_id=664

leche solara

I see the idiots are continuing with the ridiculous idea of going by Orwell Road and Bushy Park Road for the 74A, but not the 74. This section of the route on the 15C and 15X can often be half of the entire journey from town out.
The reason they give for it on the 15X is because it goes in that way, and it would confuse the driver if it was to come out of town by a different route.
The 74A will just give me a few more buses to sit on Bushy Park Road for a half hour most evenings.

The 15X may have lovely shiny new buses this week, but I really don't give a damn what the bus is like if it gets me home in a reasonable length of time. After a glimmer of hope last week, with a driver for more than 1 day in a row, we are now back to a different driver every day. These drivers are unfamiliar with the route and "all" stop to let people off in Rathmines. When challenged on this, they claim that the passengers didnt know when they got on. That should be the driver's responsibility. They are the same offenders every day, mostly non nationals, who the first time you might forgive for not understanding, but when you see them do it everyday it wears then. Why cant the bus be more clearly identified as being "Limited Stops", or why cant drivers announce at every stop that the bus does not stop in Rathmines, or why cant they announce in South Richmond Street that this is the last stop before Rathfarnham.

I feel that I have exhausted all avenues with Dublin Bus. I have phoned what seems like every number in Ringsend Garage, but all I get is apologies and 'we'll talk to the driver". I am now going to try the Consumer Affairs route on the overcharging and false advertising. I am being charged a premium fare for an express service that clearly is not being provided.

AlekSmart

Howya Leche.
What a pity about the ongoing inability to manage that potential moneyspinner,the 15X.
I am somewhat bemused by the fixation with certain routings which exists in some dimly lit corners of Bus Atha Cliath.
Just as with O Connell St and it`s ongoing fascination for the company,this Orwell/Bushy business spells little except frustration for both Customers AND well intentioned staff.
There is absolutely NO excuse,save for negligence,laziness or imbicility for the company to refuse to programme it`s Digital Scrolls to display clear information on the nature of its "Expresso" services.
The 746 Dun Laoighre-Dublin Airport has had a very clear yet "Different" display for many years now to good effect.

It really is a shame that no middle/senior management figure has taken an interest in this.
There is a pot of money to be made out there in offering Limited-Stop Express services to the suburbs and any management continuing to allow the Expresso concept to be hi-jacked by lazy,inefficient staff who lack the self-confidence to actually deliver the advertised service should be,themselves,subject to sanction.

I also suspect your threat of involving Consumer Affairs might well deliver results as there is an ongoing......."situation" which threatens to spiral out of control regarding a very minor deviation from route in the City Centre.

I would also recommend that the next time you encounter the "Efficient" driver you might engage him/her in conversation and perhaps politely enquire his/her name and number,with a view to infroming the Depot Manager that if HE requires any information on how to operate the 15X he should perhaps arrange to meet with a particular DRIVER who can update his managerial view. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You could also get smarter and send them this link to CLEAR and Unambigious signage on Public Transport : https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/29451/40197.GIF

sandy_c

New Routes 74 and 74A

Dublin Bus are pleased to advise customers that from Monday 21st May 2007 two new routes will come into operation.

Route 74 will depart from Eden Quay via Earlsfort Terrace, Rathmines, Terenure Cross, Templeogue Village and Stocking Avenue.

Route 74A will depart from Eden Quay via Earlsfort Terrace, Rathmines, Rathfarnham, Ballyboden Stocking Avenue.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/your_journey/viewer.asp?route=74

http://www.dublinbus.ie/your_journey/viewer.asp?route=74a

leche solara

sandy_c wrote:

New Routes 74 and 74A

Dublin Bus are pleased to advise customers that from Monday 21st May 2007 two new routes will come into operation.

Route 74 will depart from Eden Quay via Earlsfort Terrace, Rathmines, Terenure Cross, Templeogue Village and Stocking Avenue.

Route 74A will depart from Eden Quay via Earlsfort Terrace, Rathmines, Rathfarnham, Ballyboden Stocking Avenue.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/your_journey/viewer.asp?route=74

http://www.dublinbus.ie/your_journey/viewer.asp?route=74a

Sandy, I know its your first post, but if you found boards.ie and found this thread you should have seen that your information is not new. Just read back through the posts. And did you mean 'alas' or 'at last'?

sandy_c

Apologies Leche. John Graham emailed me yesterday to say that the route was to be delayed further due to lack of stops and overhanging trees. To my surprise first thing this morning i was furnished with the time tables to start as of Monday so sorry if i was a little late in getting the news the excitement was just too much

leche solara

sandy_c wrote:

Apologies Leche. John Graham emailed me yesterday to say that the route was to be delayed further due to lack of stops and overhanging trees. To my surprise first thing this morning i was furnished with the time tables to start as of Monday so sorry if i was a little late in getting the news the excitement was just too much

Overhanging trees sounds a bit like the leaves on the line excuse they use for trains. From the timetable information available from Dublin Bus both these new routes appear to be running on exactly the same streets that the 15s are already running. Are the buses to be used on the 74s to be someway different (taller maybe?) that overhanging trees will cause them a problem. Maybe they're going to be triple deckers - I now see why you got excited!!

KC61

leche solara wrote:

Overhanging trees sounds a bit like the leaves on the line excuse they use for trains. From the timetable information available from Dublin Bus both these new routes appear to be running on exactly the same streets that the 15s are already running. Are the buses to be used on the 74s to be someway different (taller maybe?) that overhanging trees will cause them a problem. Maybe they're going to be triple deckers - I now see why you got excited!!

I would imagine that the overhanging trees refers to that section of route 74A along Scholarstown Road from the roundabout to Stocking Lane, and along Stocking Lane, where there are currently no buses operating. It might sound daft, but Dublin Bus have to get council approval to go out to cut back the trees so that no branches hit the top deck of the bus.

KC61

leche solara wrote:

I see the idiots are continuing with the ridiculous idea of going by Orwell Road and Bushy Park Road for the 74A, but not the 74. This section of the route on the 15C and 15X can often be half of the entire journey from town out.
The reason they give for it on the 15X is because it goes in that way, and it would confuse the driver if it was to come out of town by a different route.
The 74A will just give me a few more buses to sit on Bushy Park Road for a half hour most evenings.

The 15X may have lovely shiny new buses this week, but I really don't give a damn what the bus is like if it gets me home in a reasonable length of time. After a glimmer of hope last week, with a driver for more than 1 day in a row, we are now back to a different driver every day. These drivers are unfamiliar with the route and "all" stop to let people off in Rathmines. When challenged on this, they claim that the passengers didnt know when they got on. That should be the driver's responsibility. They are the same offenders every day, mostly non nationals, who the first time you might forgive for not understanding, but when you see them do it everyday it wears then. Why cant the bus be more clearly identified as being "Limited Stops", or why cant drivers announce at every stop that the bus does not stop in Rathmines, or why cant they announce in South Richmond Street that this is the last stop before Rathfarnham.

I feel that I have exhausted all avenues with Dublin Bus. I have phoned what seems like every number in Ringsend Garage, but all I get is apologies and 'we'll talk to the driver". I am now going to try the Consumer Affairs route on the overcharging and false advertising. I am being charged a premium fare for an express service that clearly is not being provided.

I merely made the comment regarding new buses, as I seem to recall that the standard of vehicle used on the route was a complaint that you made previously.

Dublin Bus really do need a regular "marked-in" or panel of drivers to operate these services who would know the routing and operational requirements. It simply is not good enough that this erratic enforcement of the rules is applied.

I would agree with your comment about the 15X - it would make far more sense to operate outward via Terenure Village.

However, as the 74A is a normal service (replacing some if not all 15C journeys) I would not be in favour of routing inward and outward buses separately. Those living off Bushy Park Road are as entitled to retain their bus service as much as those further along the route.

Luckycharm

Well saw my first 74's this morning on my way in which is good news they were double deckers. I don't think you could use a double decker for the start of the 74A route - has it started yet?
When will it be going all day as towards a few in the morning and evening?

LiamD

I saw the 74A overtake me on the 15C today at Eden Quay - boy did I back the wrong horse. Took the 15C 75 minutes to get to the Ballyroan Area at 5.45!

To answer your q, yes the 74A was a double decker. Had about 2 people on it!

matrim

I started to notice the 74's this week when I'm walking into town in the morning (and passing them out when they are stuck in Rathmines).

While they will add much needed capacity to the route especially for picking people up around Terenure, Rathgar. It doesn't make much difference if they are still stuck in Rahtmines for 20 minutes and you can walk into town just as quickly as getting the bus from Rathgar.

Xylophonic

Luckycharm wrote:

Well saw my first 74's this morning on my way in which is good news they were double deckers. I don't think you could use a double decker for the start of the 74A route - has it started yet?
When will it be going all day as towards a few in the morning and evening?

The 74/74A both began on Monday and were operated by low-floor double decks (AV/X) all day

John R

Luckycharm wrote:

Well saw my first 74's this morning on my way in which is good news they were double deckers. I don't think you could use a double decker for the start of the 74A route - has it started yet?
When will it be going all day as towards a few in the morning and evening?

They are supposed to be going all day from June along with increased frequency of the 15 and an extention to the 15B to Whitechurch with the 15C dropped.

KC61

matrim wrote:

I started to notice the 74's this week when I'm walking into town in the morning (and passing them out when they are stuck in Rathmines).

While they will add much needed capacity to the route especially for picking people up around Terenure, Rathgar. It doesn't make much difference if they are still stuck in Rahtmines for 20 minutes and you can walk into town just as quickly as getting the bus from Rathgar.

Unfortunately the Templeogue QBC has two pinch points in Terenure and Rathmines that, short of demolishing buildings and rebuilding the villages, are going to cause traffic problems - all that can really be done is to tinker with the traffic, such as on Templeogue Road where the traffic queue is relocated back to where buses can still get past.

Doodah7

KC61 wrote:

Unfortunately the Templeogue QBC has two pinch points in Terenure and Rathmines that, short of demolishing buildings and rebuilding the villages,

Sounds like an eminently sensible idea!!

On a more serious note these two junctions are very annoying. However Dublin Bus should strongly consider moving the bus stops opposite the Garda Station in Rathmines. Even if there is a flow of traffic through this junction in the morning, traffic is impeded by buses stopping here. Given that there is a stop at the end of Rathgar Road or around the corner on Rathmines Road, there is no real need for a stop here. It would at least remove one potential obstacle in what is already a very congested junction. Another option is to have the left-hand lane as a bus lane and let cars use the right-hand lane.

Used the 74 on the way home yesterday. Nice and fast as most people waiting at the bus stops didn't know about the new route and let us sail on uninterrupted!!!

Victor

tallpaul wrote:

On a more serious note these two junctions are very annoying. However Dublin Bus should strongly consider moving the bus stops opposite the Garda Station in Rathmines. Even if there is a flow of traffic through this junction in the morning, traffic is impeded by buses stopping here. Given that there is a stop at the end of Rathgar Road or around the corner on Rathmines Road, there is no real need for a stop here. It would at least remove one potential obstacle in what is already a very congested junction. Another option is to have the left-hand lane as a bus lane and let cars use the right-hand lane.

Its an akward one.

It is the interchange stop for the 14/15/65 buses with the 83 and 18.

Having the buses at the bus stops block traffic is OK - it allows those buses to then make progress. Making the left lane a bus lane means other vehicles are in the wrong lane when they get to the old cinema.

Oddly when traffic goes to bits here in the morning, the 18 does OK.

Luckycharm

KC61 wrote:

Unfortunately the Templeogue QBC has two pinch points in Terenure and Rathmines that, short of demolishing buildings and rebuilding the villages, are going to cause traffic problems - all that can really be done is to tinker with the traffic, such as on Templeogue Road where the traffic queue is relocated back to where buses can still get past.

The problem in Terenure is the Traffic lights which are totally out of Sync, often the traffic lights at rathdown Motors are green while the Traffic lights 40ms ahead at Terenure Crossroads are Red so the traffic can go no where this is very infuriating - surely the Corpo can sort out these lights so that they are both in Sync!!
So does the 74s finish on Eden Quay? Do they go via Stephens green or down Georges st?
Also I presume at the start of the route for the 74A there are putting in more bus stops is there going to be one on Stocking lane as cannot see anywhere where it would be safe to stop?

Xylophonic

Luckycharm wrote:

So does the 74s finish on Eden Quay? Do they go via Stephens green or down Georges st?

Yes they operate the same way as the 15's from Rathmines.

KC61

Luckycharm wrote:

The problem in Terenure is the Traffic lights which are totally out of Sync, often the traffic lights at rathdown Motors are green while the Traffic lights 40ms ahead at Terenure Crossroads are Red so the traffic can go no where this is very infuriating - surely the Corpo can sort out these lights so that they are both in Sync!!
So does the 74s finish on Eden Quay? Do they go via Stephens green or down Georges st?
Also I presume at the start of the route for the 74A there are putting in more bus stops is there going to be one on Stocking lane as cannot see anywhere where it would be safe to stop?

The real problem with Terenure is that you have (as in the case of Rathmines) two sets of junctions beside one another, with five roads of almost equal traffic joining/crossing. How do you prioritise?

A very long green on Terenure Place to Terenure Road East allowing traffic first from Terenure Road West and then Templeogue Road to pass through, but then holding traffic from Terenure Road North and Rathfarnham Road for a significant period? Or shorter periods of green for each route?

It's a tough one!

Doodah7

KC61 wrote:

The real problem with Terenure is that you have (as in the case of Rathmines) two sets of junctions beside one another, with five roads of almost equal traffic joining/crossing. How do you prioritise?

A very long green on Terenure Place to Terenure Road East allowing traffic first from Terenure Road West and then Templeogue Road to pass through, but then holding traffic from Terenure Road North and Rathfarnham Road for a significant period? Or shorter periods of green for each route?

It's a tough one!

I would suggest that there should be a long green on INBOUND routes in the morning. There is very little traffic going outbound on Terenure Road East in the mornings for example. Obviously it would be the reverse in the evening. I don't see why traffic lights have to be same morning and evening. I know for example that traffic light timings change considerably during the night compared to their daytime settings.

With regard to Victor's comments on Rathmines, removing the traffic island and ancillary brickage (?) on the road would create room for cars to go straight at the junction of Charleston Ave. (the old cinema). This is only a new phenomenen. It is only about three years or so when the Council forced traffic to merge into one lane at those lights. Congestion increased accordingly. Before that the two lanes ran right up to the junction and traffic flowed far better. A return to the original layout of this junction could allow a bus lane to work.

Obviously sitting on the bus every morning gives one plenty of time to think about these things!!

KC61

tallpaul wrote:

I would suggest that there should be a long green on INBOUND routes in the morning. There is very little traffic going outbound on Terenure Road East in the mornings for example. Obviously it would be the reverse in the evening. I don't see why traffic lights have to be same morning and evening. I know for example that traffic light timings change considerably during the night compared to their daytime settings.

But think about your suggestion further for a minute!

A long green at Terenure Place automatically means Terenure Road East has a green too! That's not the problem. The problem is two busy routes merging into one and then crossing another busy route.

If you leave a long green on Terenure Place (allowing traffic from Terenure Road West and Templeogue Road priority) then inbound traffic on Rathfarnham Road will be backed up, causing problems at the Bushy Park Road/Rathdown Park junction and the junction at Dodder Park Road!

There are three inbound routes (2 QBC's) and all of them have very large traffic flows. You prioritise one - another is hit! Not an easy one to solve!

AlekSmart

TallPaul,your suggestions have the smack of sense about them and therefore are unlikely ever to be adopted as public policy...except perhaps under a dictatorship.

The reason for the Islands and associated "Bricage" is most likely down to some Local Authority committment to improving the Pedestrian Experience and slowing down the Traffic Speeds.

The same situation exists in O Connell St where after spending in excess of €50 Million on Improvements to the PEDESTRIAN elements of the Street,the City Administration is faced with a Public who dont want to Walk any distance on it....In fact the Public clamour for more Bus Stops as the walk from Cathal Brugha St to Abbey St is far too long for any human to endure....

Once again,No clear central plan,no idea as to what was actually required and even less recognition that when dealing with Mass Human Movement either Pedestrian or in Vehicles,some strong firm guidance is required.
None of that apparent here as we Hurl away on our national Ditch !!

Luckycharm

KC61 wrote:

But think about your suggestion further for a minute!

A long green at Terenure Place automatically means Terenure Road East has a green too! That's not the problem. The problem is two busy routes merging into one and then crossing another busy route.

If you leave a long green on Terenure Place (allowing traffic from Terenure Road West and Templeogue Road priority) then inbound traffic on Rathfarnham Road will be backed up, causing problems at the Bushy Park Road/Rathdown Park junction and the junction at Dodder Park Road!

There are three inbound routes (2 QBC's) and all of them have very large traffic flows. You prioritise one - another is hit! Not an easy one to solve!

You could alternate Long greens at the moment from Templeogue road anyway it is pointless the lights changing to green as there is no where for the traffic to go as the next junction is Red 40ms ahead.
Also while I am it the QBC on ballyboden road up to the Tuning fork is pointless too as never busy along that stretch and runs into a bottle neck from the Tuning fork up to the Yellow house.

BennytheBall

Any word on when in June the frequency of the 74 is going to be upgraded ?

maxheadroom

Luckycharm wrote:

You could alternate Long greens at the moment from Templeogue road anyway it is pointless the lights changing to green as there is no where for the traffic to go as the next junction is Red 40ms ahead.
Also while I am it the QBC on ballyboden road up to the Tuning fork is pointless too as never busy along that stretch and runs into a bottle neck from the Tuning fork up to the Yellow house.

You may find this interesting, its dublin city councils review of traffic management in terenure: http://www.dublincity.ie/living_in_the_city/getting_around/by_car/traffic_management/traffic_management_in_the_terenure_area.asp

KC61

BennytheBall wrote:

Any word on when in June the frequency of the 74 is going to be upgraded ?

None as yet - changes tend to be advised with a minimum of notice to passengers as soon as departmental approval and staff agreement to rosters are achieved.

Keep an eye on www.dublinbus.ie - changes historically have appeared on the Friday before the Sunday that the change becomes operative. Of late, however, notification of changes have appeared earlier in the week with the timetables appearing on Friday.

KC61

The changes are in the final stage of preparation at the moment I understand, and *should* come into operation in the next few weeks pending driver agreement to new rosters.

They basically include:
Route 15 - Extra buses
Route 15A - Extra buses
Route 15B - Extra buses and extension to Whitechurch Estate from Ballyroan
Route 15C - Cancelled
Route 15E - No change
Route 15F - No change
Route 15X - No change
Route 49 - No longer to serve Woodstown Roundabout, operating via Ballycullen Road and then right onto Ballycullen Drive and then as at present to Old Bawn Road, diverting via Firhouse Riad West and Whitestown Way to the Square.
Route 74 - To operate all day
Route 74A - To operate all day

Routes 15/A/B will all get increased running time which should improve reliability.

The net result - A better service for all, with Whitechurch getting far increased frequency but a slightly longer route, however the 74A will only be a reasonably short walk away.

maxheadroom

KC61 wrote:

Route 15 - Extra buses

Routes 15/A/B will all get increased running time which should improve reliability.

The net result - A better service for all, with Whitechurch getting far increased frequency but a slightly longer route, however the 74A will only be a reasonably short walk away.

Any word on whether or not they're addressing the ridiculous gaps of ~1hr in the 15 timetable, or will the new buses be used purely to allow the existing timetable to be somewhat accurate?

KC61

maxheadroom wrote:

Any word on whether or not they're addressing the ridiculous gaps of ~1hr in the 15 timetable, or will the new buses be used purely to allow the existing timetable to be somewhat accurate?

Frequency on the 15 and 15B will increase, and there will be a completely new schedule on all routes, with the additional running time improving reliability.

Prof_V

Other rumours I've seen circulating include diverting the 49 through Aylesbury, a new local service between Ballycullen and Tallaght, and changes to the 161 - are any of these included in the current proposals?

KC61

Prof_V wrote:

Other rumours I've seen circulating include diverting the 49 through Aylesbury, a new local service between Ballycullen and Tallaght, and changes to the 161 - are any of these included in the current proposals?

The 49 will indeed divert via Aylesbury, and then straight to the Square (apologies - I let that one slip above). I believe a local service to Ballycullen is in the plan also, but I can't confirm.

The 161 is a Donnybrook route and is not affected by the current changes which are all Ringsend based.

Xylophonic

The Ballycullen service is rumored to be the 203. I heard about the 161 being extended to Dundrum Town Centre around 6 months ago, but have heard nothing of it since.

Prof_V

KC61 wrote:

The 49 will indeed divert via Aylesbury, and then straight to the Square (apologies - I let that one slip above).

You didn't - it's just that I managed to miss the Firhouse Road West bit:o . Is the only bit of the 49 route through Ballycullen that's being cut the last stretch up to Woodstown? There were some rumours it would avoid the Ballycullen Road completely and revert to the old Firhouse Road route.

KC61

Prof_V wrote:

You didn't - it's just that I managed to miss the Firhouse Road West bit:o . Is the only bit of the 49 route through Ballycullen that's being cut the last stretch up to Woodstown? There were some rumours it would avoid the Ballycullen Road completely and revert to the old Firhouse Road route.

That's my understanding yes - the stretch up to Woodstown is the only section being dropped.

Pansy Potter

KC61 wrote:

The changes are in the final stage of preparation at the moment I understand, and *should* come into operation in the next few weeks pending driver agreement to new rosters.

They basically include:
Route 15 - Extra buses
Route 15A - Extra buses
Route 15B - Extra buses and extension to Whitechurch Estate from Ballyroan
Route 15C - Cancelled
Route 15E - No change
Route 15F - No change
Route 15X - No change
Route 49 - No longer to serve Woodstown Roundabout, operating via Ballycullen Road and then right onto Ballycullen Drive and then as at present to Old Bawn Road, diverting via Firhouse Riad West and Whitestown Way to the Square.
Route 74 - To operate all day
Route 74A - To operate all day

Routes 15/A/B will all get increased running time which should improve reliability.

The net result - A better service for all, with Whitechurch getting far increased frequency but a slightly longer route, however the 74A will only be a reasonably short walk away.

I'm surprised to see that the 15X is to remain unchanged. I would have thought it would share the fate of the 15C. Since the 1700 74A was introduced from Eden Quay, I have been getting that all the time, and have never seen a 15X since as they are never up to Eden Quay by 5 o'clock. I notice most of the passengers on that particular 74A were 15X regulars who have also sacrificed the so called Express for a more guaranteed 1700 departure. The impression was always there that Dublin Bus wanted rid of the 15X, and I'd have thought that the 74A would have finally killed it off.
Like an earlier poster I believe the 15X should be retained, but starting from Eden Quay (no one uses it from Belfield to town!) and avoiding Bushy Park Road on the outbound journey.

EamonnZ

Attached update from Dublin Bus.

I have written to all sitting TD's within the area in relation to this and have asked for clarification.

Regards,

Eamonn Zaidan