Man urinates on dying woman, declaring it 'YouTube material'

MrMojoRising · 21-09-2007 06:37PM

has it been posted on youtube?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 21-09-2007 06:39PM

If she hadn't died, community service would have been the probable sentence people here would be calling for... and everybody who was calling for 20 years etc would be correctly seen for the reactionaries that they are ... but I guess death changes everything.

if it turns out that she could have been saved had he acted, well then we'll see what the court thinks about jail time. But if you live in a city you probably are going to be walking by a lot of unconscious people lying on the street in your time. You might not piss on them and cover them with shaving foam, but that's because you're probably not a scumbag. Clearly this chap was, but he didn't do anything to deserve the reaction he is getting here.

this was more than likely, from his perspective a malevolent prank.. as I said above, it would be pretty unlikely that his ideal end result was her death.

AlmightyCushion · 21-09-2007 06:58PM

I love the way everyone is over in the feedback thread. Now I can say whatever I like without any one knowing..........meh.

Dennis the Stone · 21-09-2007 07:06PM

God imagine if that woman was your mother or relative. Imagine how upset you would be then

DublinWriter · 21-09-2007 07:56PM

Dudess wrote:

Hartlepool is in the Durham area, a part of England that's absolutely devastated by unemployment, poverty, drugs, crime - I heard of a house going on sale in the area for £1,000. Things are so bad that there are people with literally no moral compass.

My current gf is originally from there. She saw this on the Hartlepool Mail web site last week and didn't bat an eyelid.

Hartlepool always comes somewhere in the top 3 worst places to live in England. Growing up there she thought it was perfectly normal practice for druggies to knock on your door trying to sell you knocked-off goods on a daily basis.

Hartlepudlians are nick-named 'Monkey Hangers' because during the Napoleonic Wars, they found a live monkey washed up on the shore, and because they never saw a Frenchman before, they hung it thinking it was a French spy.

Having said all that, the homeless get urinated on every weekend in Dublin doorways, and what about that other poor guy who ended up in a skip and was crushed by a garbage compactor?

seamus · 21-09-2007 08:21PM

Kemos wrote:

God imagine if that woman was your mother or relative. Imagine how upset you would be then

That's exactly what's driving people's outrage. The thought that this could happen to one of their family or even themselves.

Mordeth hit the nail on the head. If the woman *had* been a drunk, then people may be slightly outraged but nothing approaching what we see here. In fact, not a single media outlet would have picked this up. The video may even be on youtube.

The_B_Man · 21-09-2007 08:23PM

ah no sure hes from durham. thats expected there. sure let him off scott free!! im sure hes a nice chap!!

Orange69 · 21-09-2007 10:38PM

DublinWriter wrote:

and what about that other poor guy who ended up in a skip and was crushed by a garbage compactor?

That was an accident.. he wasn't crushed on purpose..

Mr.Micro · 21-09-2007 10:54PM

I am not an advocator of violence but the person who urinated on the dying woman should be flogged.No prison sentence or fine will give that woman back her dignity . What a revolting man .

Rb · 21-09-2007 10:54PM

I agree with Mordeth.

Also, you people get wound up wayyy too easily. As was said before, drunks get p1ssed on all the time, while it was bad behaviour, the guy hardly knew she was dying.

Dudess · 21-09-2007 11:03PM

The_B_Man wrote:

ah no sure hes from durham. thats expected there. sure let him off scott free!! im sure hes a nice chap!!

I didn't actually say that. Read the rest of my post. It doesn't excuse what he did, but it might go some way towards explaining it.

Orange69 · 21-09-2007 11:11PM

Dudess wrote:

I didn't actually say that. Read the rest of my post. It doesn't excuse what he did, but it might go some way towards explaining it.

Thats utter rubbish, just because the guy is from Durham it does not mean he
is automatically a scum bag.. The vast majority of people from Durham are law abiding upstanding citizens.. Lets not drag their name down with this filth..

Dudess · 21-09-2007 11:13PM

Grrr!!! More not-reading-the-original-post syndrome. I did not say that either!!! Would you please read my original post? (It's on page one of this thread).

Orange69 · 21-09-2007 11:15PM

Dudess wrote:

It doesn't excuse what he did, but it might go some way towards explaining it.

Clear enough to me...

Dudess · 21-09-2007 11:22PM

Ok, clearly it's too much trouble for you to click on page 1 of this thread so here is my original post - just for you:

Hartlepool is in the Durham area, a part of England that's absolutely devastated by unemployment, poverty, drugs, crime - I heard of a house going on sale in the area for £1,000. Things are so bad that there are people with literally no moral compass. The pit closures under Thatcher left people with absolutely nothing. Of course it doesn't excuse that piece of human filth for what he did - plenty of other people have lived through similar hardship and haven't turned out like him - but it does go some way to explaining the sheer depravity of his actions.
Interesting and very moving recent Guardian feature on this part of England: http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,,2159091,00.html

No doubt you'll choose to misinterpret my post so I will elaborate on my point: the dreadful economic hardship (people actually didn't even have food after the pits closed) leading to alcoholism, hard drug dependency, violence, very early school leaving - this results in "hardening" people and some of them will behave like scumbags. Also, read the Guardian article whose link I posted.

Here are some excerpts from it:

"The whole culture here, if you haven't seen somebody for a while, is like, 'Do you want a fight?' " says Gary. "If six years ago I'd said to someone, 'Do you want a coffee?' they'd think, 'Oh, he's gone gay.'

1990 was a bad year for me. I was 15. I was doing armed robberies and all sorts, and I was drinking and taking speed and acid. There were rival gangs in Bearpark and around the other pit villages, and there were fights with fists and crowbars and worse. Once, a group came to our house armed with broken paving stones. Someone even shot at me with a shotgun. One time, a lad grassed on us to the police, or we thought he had. We got hold of him and held him down while an older lad drilled a hole through one of his hands with a hand drill. He was 22. We weren't caught, but it was only a matter of time. In the end I stabbed someone in the chest nine times in a fight. I thought that I had killed him.

But some of the people I had been hanging around with resented the fact that I was trying to do something more with my life and so they attacked my mum. She was so badly hurt that she was on a life-support machine for a while.

My mother suffered from diabetes, but I am not sure exactly why she died. By that time I was drinking quite a bit; I know that I was hard to handle and I even remember hitting her a couple of times.

Placebo · 22-09-2007 12:57AM

Mordeth wrote:

nothing can be too long for this?

jesus christ.. very rational people here

he didn't kill her. it's very probable he didn't know she was dying. it's also very probable he is a dickhead, but you can't go throwing people in jail for 20 years because they are dickheads.

So he should get less of a sentence for having a sense of humour or more because he was inhumane ?
you have to be a sick individual to find any of that funny mate, harsh words to come but = empathy = imagine that was your mother?
its not funny whats so ever. Do you giggle at **** like shaving foam? what age are you? ffs

be a dickhead in your house - fine, but you be a dickhead to society you cross the line.

Orange69 · 22-09-2007 01:16AM

Dudess wrote:

Ok, clearly it's too much trouble for you to click on page 1 of this thread so here is my original post - just for you:

No doubt you'll choose to misinterpret my post so I will elaborate on my point: the dreadful economic hardship (people actually didn't even have food after the pits closed) leading to alcoholism, hard drug dependency, violence, very early school leaving - this results in "hardening" people and some of them will behave like scumbags. Also, read the Guardian article whose link I posted.

Here are some excerpts from it:

Pick out a scummer in any city in Ireland and you will get a similar story... I just have an issue with an entire area being tarred due to a small amount of filth..

Placebo wrote:

be a dickhead in your house - fine, but you be a dickhead to society you cross the line.

True.. and since when did urinating on people become acceptable?

Dudess · 22-09-2007 01:21AM

But that's not what I was doing - you're just being argumentative because, I don't know, you're in a bad mood or whatever. This part of England has serious social problems - not "the same as anywhere". Of course the majority of the people are decent - that goes without saying - but those who are violent and dangerous are this way because of the harshness of their lives.

ntlbell · 22-09-2007 01:29AM

Orange69 wrote:

Pick out a scummer in any city in Ireland and you will get a similar story... I just have an issue with an entire area being tarred due to a small amount of filth..

True.. and since when did urinating on people become acceptable?

You obviously don't read this forum very often then.

no one yet has stated urinating on people is acceptable the point is which seems to be taken awhile to hit home because people are going on like sky news watching idiots that drunks been urinated on happens often and it's not news we wouldn't be talking about it if was some poor woman who just got pissed on it's news because he pissed on her and she died HE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS DIYING and most probably thought she was a drunk and was pissing on a drunk. now no one is stating this is acceptable it's NOT.

Orange69 · 22-09-2007 01:42AM

ntlbell wrote:

You obviously don't read this forum very often then.

Yes i do...

ntlbell wrote:

no one yet has stated urinating on people is acceptable the point is which seems to be taken awhile to hit home because people are going on like sky news watching idiots that drunks been urinated on happens often and it's not news we wouldn't be talking about it if was some poor woman who just got pissed on it's news because he pissed on her and she died HE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS DIYING and most probably thought she was a drunk and was pissing on a drunk. now no one is stating this is acceptable it's NOT.

I cant be arsed responding to your little rant there...but i do have a tip for you...USE SOME PUNCTUATION!

Slutmonkey57b · 22-09-2007 10:28AM

mike65 wrote:

Daily Mail readers would find much grist to thier mill in this story, uncouth Northerners, the internet, phones with cameras in them and of course drugs.

Mike.

looks like daily mail readers have a lot in common with boardsies.

Slutmonkey57b · 22-09-2007 10:29AM

Orange69 wrote:

Pick out a scummer in any city in Ireland and you will get a similar story... I just have an issue with an entire area being tarred due to a small amount of filth..

True.. and since when did urinating on people become acceptable?

Since furries and other fetishists started saying it was.

mike65 · 22-09-2007 10:41AM

Slutmonkey57b wrote:

looks like daily mail readers have a lot in common with boardsies.

As Dudess said above, the inner Daily Mail reader lurks....just waiting for something to stir it into life. I think we all have that reflex about something or other

Mike.

Plug · 22-09-2007 11:21AM

Tak3n wrote:

Guess im the only one who found it funny

Im in the balls laughing at your comment!

Terry · 22-09-2007 12:06PM

Plug wrote:

Im in the balls laughing at your comment!

You do realise I banned him, yes?

Winters · 22-09-2007 02:15PM

I'm with Mordeth on this.

Homeless etc. get pissed on in Dublin and im sure in other parts of the county by drunks on a near nightly basis. I've seen it happen myself. Its not excuseable in any way, shape, or form. However Im sure with the person in question it was a case of mistaken 'identity' (as such) and he was oblivious to the womans need for medical attention and mistook her for a drunk.

It does not condone in any way the abuse she received but things like this are happening almost nightly in cities and towns and are never reported on. It just so happens that the woman was not a drunk/homeless and was indeed dying.

I wouldn't go so far as to support a flogging or lynching as other people have suggested, but the problem is by jailing this person for 20 years it is not going to stop other people from urinating on homeless, drunks etc.

Nothingcompares · 22-09-2007 02:18PM

Winters wrote:

I'm with Mordeth on this.

Homeless etc. get pissed on in Dublin and im sure in other parts of the county by drunks on a near nightly basis. I've seen it happen myself. Its not excuseable in any way, shape, or form. However Im sure with the person in question it was a case of mistaken 'identity' (as such) and he was oblivious to the womans need for medical attention and mistook her for a drunk.

It does not condone in any way the abuse she received but things like this are happening almost nightly in cities and towns and are never reported on. It just so happens that the woman was not a drunk/homeless and was indeed dying.

I wouldn't go so far as to support a flogging or lynching as other people have suggested, but the problem is by jailing this person for 20 years it is not going to stop other people from urinating on homeless, drunks etc.

I've never seen this happen and I'm around Dublin City Centre a lot at night.

Winters · 22-09-2007 02:20PM

Nothingcompares wrote:

I've never seen this happen and I'm around Dublin City Centre a lot at night.

Depends on the area really.

And I've only ever seen scumbags with no reguard for anything do it.

professore · 22-09-2007 02:25PM

seamus wrote:

That's exactly what's driving people's outrage. The thought that this could happen to one of their family or even themselves.

Mordeth hit the nail on the head. If the woman *had* been a drunk, then people may be slightly outraged but nothing approaching what we see here. In fact, not a single media outlet would have picked this up. The video may even be on youtube.

Emmm NO - I for one think it's a depraved thing to do, regardless whether she was dying or not, and shows no respect for anything.

professore · 22-09-2007 02:25PM

Winters wrote:

I'm with Mordeth on this.

Homeless etc. get pissed on in Dublin and im sure in other parts of the county by drunks on a near nightly basis. I've seen it happen myself. Its not excuseable in any way, shape, or form. However Im sure with the person in question it was a case of mistaken 'identity' (as such) and he was oblivious to the womans need for medical attention and mistook her for a drunk.

It does not condone in any way the abuse she received but things like this are happening almost nightly in cities and towns and are never reported on. It just so happens that the woman was not a drunk/homeless and was indeed dying.

I wouldn't go so far as to support a flogging or lynching as other people have suggested, but the problem is by jailing this person for 20 years it is not going to stop other people from urinating on homeless, drunks etc.

6 months' community service working nights in a homeless shelter.

Man urinates on dying woman, declaring it 'YouTube material'

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