Please, please.....look around.

So Glad · 12-09-2007 08:10PM #1

I was told and can now confirm that a young girl aged 15 I think it was, received her Junior Cert results today and failed one or two subjects. Because of this, she decided to jump in front of a train at Howth Junction station, right beside where I live.

You most likely won't find this in the news.

I know there is a thread about it here, but I wish to ask a favor of you all. Look around the world you are creating for your children. Look at what it is doing. The pressure put upon this child by the schools and (possibly) the parents, who don't know what the REAL priorities in life are anyways made her give up the WILL to live. This child was lead down the path of illusory life-goals, handed down and given the stamp of approval by the powers that be, and given to the schools (AKA robot factories) that pat you on the back and give you a gold star for being repeaters....and if you disagree with this, or FAIL this, you fail life.....and will live a sad, lonely, poor, meaningless life. As if it isn't already like that anyways.

Please, take this, and other things like the kids who are smoking pot and getting drunk younger and younger by the day, and developing terrible mental illnesses as a SLIGHT HINT, that the society you're working for, DOESN'T WORK and it's killing us.

Please, please, realize this.

Cue the personal insults...:rolleyes:

Heyes · 12-09-2007 08:13PM

So Glad wrote:

I was told and can now confirm that a young girl aged 15 I think it was, received her Junior Cert results today and failed one or two subjects. Because of this, she decided to jump in front of a train at Howth Junction station, right beside where I live.

You most likely won't find this in the news.

I know there is a thread about it here, but I wish to ask a favor of you all. Look around the world you are creating for your children. Look at what it is doing. The pressure put upon this child by the schools and (possibly) the parents, who don't know what the REAL priorities in life are anyways made her give up the WILL to live. This child was lead down the path of illusory life-goals, handed down and given the stamp of approval by the powers that be, and given to the schools (AKA robot factories) that pat you on the back and give you a gold star for being repeaters....and if you disagree with this, or FAIL this, you fail life.....and will live a sad, lonely, poor, meaningless life. As if it isn't already like that anyways.

Please, take this, and other things like the kids who are smoking pot and getting drunk younger and younger by the day, and developing terrible mental illnesses as a SLIGHT HINT, that the society you're working for, DOESN'T WORK and it's killing us.

Please, please, realize this.

Cue the personal insults...:rolleyes:

No personal insults required, well said.

So Glad · 12-09-2007 08:14PM

Heyes wrote:

No personal insults required, well said.

I really appreciate that.

OctavarIan · 12-09-2007 08:24PM

So Glad wrote:

I was told and can now confirm that a young girl aged 15 I think it was, received her Junior Cert results today and failed one or two subjects. Because of this, she decided to jump in front of a train at Howth Junction station, right beside where I live.

Do you know for a fact that she jumped in front of the train because of this? There had to be more to it than that. As someone who has done the Junior Cert within the past 4 years, there is nowhere near enough pressure to warrant a suicide. If you don't the grade it just means you work a bit harder in 5th year to get what you want. The students know this, why someone would jump in front of an oncoming train over it makes no sense at all. There was obviously something deeper and underlying to the death.

[edit]But good excuse for a rant and well taken OP

So Glad · 12-09-2007 08:28PM

OctavarIan wrote:

Do you know for a fact that she jumped in front of the train because of this? There had to be more to it than that. As someone who has done the Junior Cert within the past 4 years, there is nowhere near enough pressure to warrant a suicide. If you don't the grade it just means you work a bit harder in 5th year to get what you want. The students know this, why someone would jump in front of an oncoming train over it makes no sense at all. There was obviously something deeper and underlying to the death.

[edit]But good excuse for a rant and well taken OP

Mate, I think the fact that it was the day that she got the results and the fact she was obviously distraught about her results that would hint to the reason she did it.

I also sincerely appreciate you agreeing with me

Naikon · 12-09-2007 08:44PM

In fairness, the "Education" system in second level is a circus and somewhat dehumanises the definition of the word "learning".

So Glad · 12-09-2007 08:47PM

Yes, it is not for one second "learning". It is how good you are at repeating things unquestionably.

Naikon · 12-09-2007 08:50PM

So Glad wrote:

Yes, it is not for one second "learning". It is how good you are at repeating things unquestionably.

If the SEC had their way, we would all conform to tight rigid rules,regulations and guidelines, and have no understanding of the term "personal judgement":D

OctavarIan · 12-09-2007 08:51PM

So Glad wrote:

Mate, I think the fact that it was the day that she got the results and the fact she was obviously distraught about her results that would hint to the reason she did it.

Nah, it was more likely the last straw on top of whatever ongoing problems she already had. But it's pointless to speculate when we don't know anything. This isn't the Maddie McCann thread

So Glad wrote:

I also sincerely appreciate you agreeing with me

I don't agree with you

When I said 'well taken', I meant you took the opportunity of a suicide to have a rant on today's society well.

Smellyirishman · 12-09-2007 08:53PM

So Glad wrote:

Yes, it is not for one second "learning". It is how good you are at repeating things unquestionably.

You're being over dramatic now. Your initial point did have merit though.

marco murphy · 12-09-2007 08:53PM

So Glad wrote:

Mate, I think the fact that it was the day that she got the results and the fact she was obviously distraught about her results that would hint to the reason she did it.

I also sincerely appreciate you agreeing with me

Nothing to do with the ''alcohol free'' Junior Cert Parties no?

So Glad · 12-09-2007 08:58PM

Smellyirishman wrote:

You're being over dramatic now. Your initial point did have merit though.

Over dramatic? I've just come out of the school conveyor belt system a few years ago now and have first hand experience.

Your own opinions and thoughts do not matter. As long as you can repeat what you're told, you're ok.

Clare Bear · 12-09-2007 09:00PM

That's so sad

People don't realise the pressure put on young people sometimes.

OctavarIan · 12-09-2007 09:02PM

So Glad wrote:

Your own opinions and thoughts do not matter. As long as you can repeat what you're told, you're ok.

They're testing your academic skills, not you as a person. Besides at that age your opinions and thoughts are wildly different from your grown-up ones, so why should they set foundations for what you do with your life.

Nevyn · 12-09-2007 09:02PM

It is not jsut the education system is the process that pushed both parents out of the home to work and not getting home until after 7pm and they do not know their kids.

They can give thier kids money which gets spent on drugs and drink but they not part of thier children's lives.

So Glad · 12-09-2007 09:07PM

OctavarIan wrote:

They're testing your academic skills, not you as a person. Besides at that age your opinions and thoughts are wildly different from your grown-up ones, so why should they set foundations for what you do with your life.

Actually, I'd be more inclined to say the kids are more intelligent and "Grown-up" than most adult. Hence why adults find the need to indoctrinate them and to make them walk as they do.

Smellyirishman · 12-09-2007 09:08PM

So Glad wrote:

Your own opinions and thoughts do not matter. As long as you can repeat what you're told, you're ok.

Getting way off topic now, but learning is not too far away from repetition, particularly in regards to most LC topics. Chemistry, Physics, Maths etc... now, I'm sure they'd listen if you came up with a ground breaking new proof backed up by unarguable evidence.

Smellyirishman · 12-09-2007 09:10PM

Thaedydal wrote:

It is not jsut the education system is the process that pushed both parents out of the home to work and not getting home until after 7pm and they do not know their kids.

They can give thier kids money which gets spent on drugs and drink but they not part of thier children's lives.

Very true, unfortunatly.

So Glad · 12-09-2007 09:10PM

Smellyirishman wrote:

Getting way off topic now, but learning is not too far away from repetition, particularly in regards to most LC topics. Chemistry, Physics, Maths etc... now, I'm sure they'd listen if you came up with a ground breaking new proof backed up by unarguable evidence.

Some people don't want to learn new things, no matter what evidence is presented. But yes, we're getting off-topic.

Anyone got any more news on this girl?

eoin5 · 12-09-2007 09:11PM

School kills people, fact!

Bottle_of_Smoke · 12-09-2007 09:12PM

OctavarIan wrote:

Do you know for a fact that she jumped in front of the train because of this? There had to be more to it than that. As someone who has done the Junior Cert within the past 4 years, there is nowhere near enough pressure to warrant a suicide. If you don't the grade it just means you work a bit harder in 5th year to get what you want. The students know this, why someone would jump in front of an oncoming train over it makes no sense at all. There was obviously something deeper and underlying to the death.

[edit]But good excuse for a rant and well taken OP

It could have been a substantial part, but you're right, we'd be seeing a lot more suicides if it was the sole reason.

That said our year head consistantly talked about how school is never worth jumping into the liffey over.

Poor girl

OctavarIan · 12-09-2007 09:13PM

So Glad wrote:

Actually, I'd be more inclined to say the kids are more intelligent and "Grown-up" than most adult. Hence why adults find the need to indoctrinate them and to make them walk as they do.

I can only lol at this.

So the adults are purposely dulling the intelligence of the kids because the kids are more intelligent than most adults?

Adults, is this true? :eek:

So Glad · 12-09-2007 09:19PM

OctavarIan wrote:

I can only lol at this.

So the adults are purposely dulling the intelligence of the kids because the kids are more intelligent than most adults?

Adults, is this true? :eek:

Look at the world which a child would like to create.

Then look at the world adults are currently creating.

I think children are smarter.

OctavarIan · 12-09-2007 09:21PM

So Glad wrote:

Look at the world which a child would like to create.

Then look at the world adults are currently creating.

I think children are smarter.

Colourful brick houses would do my head in after a while. Plus the giant hands moving cars around would get in each others way.

[edit]No in all seriousness, think about what you're saying for a few seconds before you post it :S

Doctor DooM · 12-09-2007 09:23PM

This world is not as this adult would like to create. Not a cogent argument. Unless you had the world a children could actually create available for viewing.

littlebitdull · 12-09-2007 09:24PM

So Glad wrote:

Please, take this, and other things like the kids who are smoking pot and getting drunk younger and younger by the day, and developing terrible mental illnesses as a SLIGHT HINT, that the society you're working for, DOESN'T WORK and it's killing us.

:

Why would you suggest that society is creating an illness?

Mental illness is an illness... it is a chemical inbalance in the brain. It can and does get treated with medication. And in some cases it can be treated without medication, but its a different type of treatment.

Its is an illness.

Not a sign of the times....

1huge1 · 12-09-2007 09:37PM

So Glad wrote:

I was told and can now confirm that a young girl aged 15 I think it was, received her Junior Cert results today and failed one or two subjects. Because of this, she decided to jump in front of a train at Howth Junction station, right beside where I live.

You most likely won't find this in the news.

I know there is a thread about it here, but I wish to ask a favor of you all. Look around the world you are creating for your children. Look at what it is doing. The pressure put upon this child by the schools and (possibly) the parents, who don't know what the REAL priorities in life are anyways made her give up the WILL to live. This child was lead down the path of illusory life-goals, handed down and given the stamp of approval by the powers that be, and given to the schools (AKA robot factories) that pat you on the back and give you a gold star for being repeaters....and if you disagree with this, or FAIL this, you fail life.....and will live a sad, lonely, poor, meaningless life. As if it isn't already like that anyways.

Please, take this, and other things like the kids who are smoking pot and getting drunk younger and younger by the day, and developing terrible mental illnesses as a SLIGHT HINT, that the society you're working for, DOESN'T WORK and it's killing us.

Please, please, realize this.

Cue the personal insults...:rolleyes:

I've never really thought about it like that but I agree with you, well put

pretty-in-pink · 12-09-2007 09:51PM

Of course our society is messed up. Its all about getting pleasure, but nobody teaches you how to deal with the consequences. We have messed ourselves up, and I don't think we can get back the good things we have. Its a pretty sad world we live in, and people are looking for answers, release and acceptance from drink, drugs, sex and other things they are not able to fit in. The pressure of being "cool" as an adult are far worse as a teenager, and everything seems so much more important then it actually is when you're going through it.

You get judged on everything, there are very few safe havens anymore, and thats so sad, because the lack of genuinely comfortable with themselves people is dwindling. More and more people are experimenting wildly to find their place, and getting lst on the way. How many of us have done things our parents would be shocked at? Trust me, its worse people get. Girls younger then me have had more drink, sexual partners etc then me. Thats just wrong.

Whos to blame? Tradition says the media (fair point), but the media is driven by us. Its a vicious circle, and its the kids who end up being the worst affected by it.

homah_7ft · 12-09-2007 09:59PM

Yeah everything was perfect in the past. The truth of the matter is that there has always been pressure on people within all societies. People have always used drugs and sex as a form of escapism. Things are not getting worse.

Terry · 12-09-2007 10:01PM

pretty-in-pink wrote:

The pressure of being "cool" as an adult are far worse as a teenager, and everything seems so much more important then it actually is when you're going through it.

I'll have to disagree with that.

I'm 31 and I really couldn't give a flying fúck what anyone thinks of me.

If you don't like me, then that's your problem.

If I'm being an arsehole, feel free to tell me. I'lltry not to upset you, or I'll walk away.

The minute you stop worrying about what others think is when you can start living life to the full.
Everyone else can fúck themselves.

Terry · 12-09-2007 10:03PM

homah_7ft wrote:

Yeah everything was perfect in the past. The truth of the matter is that there has always been pressure on people within all societies. People have always used drugs and sex as a form of escapism. Things are not getting worse.

100% correct.
We only notice mre these days because of increasing population and the fact that the internet gives us access to 24 hour news from around the world, not to mention close to home.

Please, please.....look around.

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