One small step

Keeping this separate to the rest as I don't see Hagar's posts as anywhere near the level of adult debate the rest of you are maintaining:

Hagar wrote:

Did you even read your own Point No 1? You wanted private buses off the road because the parked without consideration to other road users. My point is Dublin bus do the same abosulutely nothing to do with the number of potential passengers that the bus is capable of carrying. A parked bus, dripping diesel all over the road as they do, is carrying no passengers anywhere is it? It's just blocking up the road.

The average size of the private buses I see is far smaller than the average bus. And I think you'll probably find that when a dublin bus parks in such a fashion it's because the driver's decided to sod-off on an unofficial break, this is where tracking the buses would be useful since a bus suddenly stopping for no reason would draw attention.

Hagar wrote:

The purpose of bus lanes was to segregate busses from the vast majority of other road users ie private cars. If the cars are gone why bother with bus lanes at all? Can't the buses use the whole road? Are we to expect a parade now of garbage trucks? I wish, maybe your plan also includes claening up the accumulated filth on the city streets? Surely delivery trucks should only have access to the city centre at certain times same as most other cities outside Ireland. Or do you propose that they can come and go all day as they please?

And the taxis and motorbikes again disappear in your strange mind?

Hagar wrote:

Your response to point 2 was flawed and hasn't got any better since.

And your poorly thought out arguements are just proving my point

(and although the whingers will undoubtedly be blind to the fact it would get what traffic there is flowing far quicker, allowing people to get home faster and more accurate timetables on public transport)

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Hagar wrote:

Seriously, did you even read my question? I'll rephrase it, maybe that will help. What will people park in the park and ride if you have abolished ownership of private cars? Regardless of the location of these park and ride facilities they will be empty if you have you way because nobody will have any cars to park there!

And you're proving that you can't even read yourself. I said nothing about banning the ownership of cars, merely that they be banned from the city centre. Get back to school and learn to read.

Hagar wrote:

Have you even made an estimate of the number of extra people that the buses will have to shift if cars are done away with? What size will the queues at the bus stops be. The stops will have to be put further apart, just to accomodate the number of people at each stop. The gaps between buses at the moment are way to long, that's why people are using cars!

No people use cars because they are lazy and don't like the idea of being crammed in with other people (they like their space too much).

Hagar wrote:

Since you have done away with the ownership of private cars there will be no people who own cars. Can you grasp that? Nobody will have a car, so nobody will pay VRT, buy petrol or pay road tax.

Once again learn to read then come back and join the debate.

Hagar wrote:

Have you even the vaguest concept of how great a loss to the revenue that would be. Public transport is subsidised at the moment by funds from the Exchequer, much of which comes directly from motorists, but that source of revenue will be gone if you have you way. How much do you think a trip from Tallaght to O'connell St will cost after the subsidies are withdrawn and the Government decide that taxing public transport is their only way to raise the revenue that is no longer being collected from the motorist?

When you think about the numbers of people who would be traveling it would be less than a euro extra per ticket, probably far far less.

Hagar wrote:

Your statement that there would be no loss of revenue from toll booths that don't even exist beggars belief!

Just trying to figure out what imaginary source of revenue you were seemed to feel the government was so dependant on.

Hagar wrote:

Tell me you understand some of this, please.
It's taken ages to do and I don't want to have to repeat it in crayon.

Considering you've yet to master reading I'd imagine you must be used to things written in crayon.:p

Hagar wrote:

You do have a point about my reading, I mis-read part of your original post and like a fool went off on a tangent as result.:o

I thought your intent was to ban cars from the city as a whole not just the city centre. The natural progression was that if all cars were banned from the whole city why would anyone own one? Hence my arguments based on no car ownership.

Anyway, when I get over my embarassment I might come back later and post something more relevent to the actual thrust of your posts.

Fair enough (looking at the number of posts you have I can see how you might mis-read something in haste), hopefully you can join in with some good arguments to it then. I'd hope we all know it'll never happen as the possible complaints it'd draw would make the government too afraid of losing votes so they won't risk it, still interesting to debate the pros-cons and oversights though.

... banning cars from the whole city... god I'd be lynched...:eek: lol

faceman wrote:

why? it works in other countries

I think you'll surely find that that is only for one or two routes that aren't to/from hub points?
I'd be quite surprised to find a place where regardless of where you are and where you want to go you can get public transport straight between the places with no walking or connections necessary.