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Greatest Irishman: Michael Collins or Eamon de Valera?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,432 ✭✭✭Steve_o


    Ruu wrote:
    Bono. \o/ :p

    /me hides from angry mob

    Oi lads....he's over here!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Rob_l


    Eamon de Valera
    gimmick wrote:
    Thats was Devs militia.

    Dev's militia in cork made of cork men fighting collins free state army made of Irish men(as opposed to cork men)
    gimmick wrote:
    Touchy aren't we. I didn't actually mention you in this thread. So you took offence to something which wasn't even directed at you.

    Dont worry Im never one to let a grudge go with out making my opinion of a man quite clear


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Ekancone


    Eamon de Valera
    micmclo wrote:
    Brian Boru ftw
    Drove the Vikings from our shores.

    Collins will win this poll and the reason is many think the Neil Jordan film is all true factually:eek:


    Ireland in 1920:

    Michael Collins - Minister for Finance, Acting President, President of IRB, President of Dail Loans, and for all intents and purposes head of GHQ. That man ran the war of independence. And no, i didnt get that from the movie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Ishmael wrote:
    I would have said Robert Boyle or Nicholas Callan.

    But hey, obviously crooked politicians and warmongers are more important! :)


    Good man!

    I'll throw Hamilton into the ring. It's a no-contest in my opinion.

    I'd put Eamon Coghlan, Ron Delany, Stephen Roche and Sean Kelly way ahead of Collins or Dev.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Atari Jaguar
    Dunphy for the win.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Coughlan was a smarmy git

    Don conroy is undoubtedly the greatest irishman to have ever lived


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,272 ✭✭✭patrickc


    Eamon de Valera
    Dev is a traitor and shafted Collins simple as...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Rob_l


    Eamon de Valera
    Dev is a traitor and shafted Collins simple as...


    and so are cork people cause collins was one of their own and a hero and they shot him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Bambi wrote:
    Coughlan was a smarmy git


    Don't know him. Who is he?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Eamon de Valera
    lol @ stephen roche and sean kelly. "ohhh look at me, i can ride a bike". i accomplish more before breakfast than both of those two.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭HammerHeadGym


    Tom Crean

    More balls than any any smelly cork man. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,367 ✭✭✭✭watna


    Steve_o wrote:
    Lets keep words like that to ourselves shall we....

    I'm glad someone else said that, I find that word very offensive.

    i was just talking about this Dev/Mick thing last night. I was trying to explain it to a visitor fron NZ we have staying with us. After talking about it with him my head is all confused and I don't know anymore!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭HammerHeadGym


    gimmick wrote:
    ...The sun always shines in Cork...

    That's actually a common misconception among Cork people. You see, they think the sun shines out of their arse and since they are constantly whining out of it, they assume they are illuminating the country.

    And Dev was a crook, that paved the way for a long line of crooked little ****s who take it in turns to fuck a few quid from the irish people.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Robert Boyle (1627-1691) was born at Lismore Castle, Co. Waterford. Boyle, sometimes called The Father of Chemistry, is a in the history of science. In 1661 he published The Sceptical Chemist. Alchemy, the pseudo-scientific predecessor of chemistry was questioned by Boyle, who taught that the proper object of chemistry was to determine the composition of substances. He coined the term ‘analysis’. In 1662 he formulated Boyle’s Law which states that the pressure and volume of a gas are inversely related at constant temperature.

    Francis Beaufort (1774-1857) was born in Navan, Co. Meath and became the British Navy’s greatest hydrographer and mapmaker. He is best known as the author of the table which classifies the velocity and force of winds at sea – The Beaufort Scale. He also developed a system of classifying the weather’s various states by letters of the alphabet.

    George Boole (1815-1864), born in Lincoln, England, was the first Professor of Mathematics at Queen’s College, Cork (University College Cork today). Boole, sometimes called The Father of Computer Science, developed his system of Boolean Algebra while in Cork. This is used today in the design and operation of electronic computers and electronic hardware responsible for modern technology.

    William Rowan Hamilton (1805-1864), born in Dublin, became Professor of Astronomy at TCD and Royal Astronomer of Ireland. At the age of 9 he knew 13 languages. Hamilton introduced the terms scalar and vector into mathematics and he invented the method of quanternions as a new algebraic approach to 3-D geometry, which turned out to be the seed of much modern algebra.

    John Tyndall (1820-1893) was born in County Carlow, he became one of greatest scientists of 19th century. Professor of Natural Philosophy (Physics) at The Royal Institution, he did pioneering work on radiant heat, germ theory of disease, glacier motion, sound, and diffusion of light in the atmosphere. He was the first to explain how scattering of light in atmosphere causes blue colour in sky. He explained how the gases in the atmosphere trap heat and keep the earth warm. He invented the light pipe which later led to development of fibre optics.

    William Thomson (1824-1907) (Lord Kelvin) first Baron Kelvin (1866). Born in Belfast. Professor of Natural Philosophy (Physics), Glasgow University. World renowned physicist. Introduced the absolute scale of temperature – the Kelvin scale. His work on conversion of energy led to Second Law of Thermodynamics. Closely involved in laying first successful transatlantic telegraph cable under sea between Ireland and Newfoundland in 1866.

    George Francis Fitzgerald (1851-1901) was born in Dublin and became Professor of Natural and Experimental Philosophy at TCD. He is best remembered for his proposal that a moving body contracts in the direction of its motion, but that this contraction cannot be measured because moving rulers shrink in the same proportion. This was a significant step towards Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity.

    George Johnstone Stoney (1826-1911) was born in Dun Laoghaire and became Professor of Natural Philosophy at Queen’s College, Galways (NUI Galway today). His most notable scientific work was his conception and calculation of the magnitude of the ‘atom’ of electricity, for which he proposed the name ‘electron’.

    J.D. Bernal (1901-1971) was born in Nenagh, Co. Tipperary. Professor Physics, Birbeck College, University of London. Developed the technique of modern X-ray crystallography and led a group that used the technique to work out the 3-D structure of proteins, nucleic acids and viruses.

    Ernest Walton (1903-1997), born in Dungarvan, Co. Waterford, was a pioneer nuclear physicist and is Ireland’s only science Nobel Laureate. He built the first successful particle accelerator with John Cockroft at Cambridge with which they disintegrated lithium (‘split the atom’) in 1931. Walton became Professor of Natural and Experiemental Philosophy at TCD in 1947. He shared the 1951 Nobel Prize for physics with Cockroft.

    Kathleen Lonsdale (1903-1971) was born in Newbridge, Co. Kildare and became Professor of Chemistry at University College, London. She did much important work in X-ray crystallography, including a demonstration that the benzene ring is flat. She was the first woman elected to Fellowship of the Royal Society in 1945. She was a dedicated pacifist and suffered a short term in jail in 1943 for her convictions.

    Denis Burkitt (1911-1993) was born in Eniskillen, graduated as a physician, and became world renowned pioneer in public medicine. Worked in public service for many years in Uganda. First described a cancer called Burkitt’s Lymphoma and showed that it is spread by mosquitoes who transmit the disease by spreading the Epstein-barr virus. Returned to London 1966 and led campaign advocating the importance of fibre in the diet.

    John Bell (1928-1990) was born in Belfast. He joined CERN (the European Research Organisation) in Geneva in 1960. Here he developed a set of equations called Bell’s Inequalities that are of fundamental importance in quantum physics. Bell was a leading theoretical physicist of his generation.

    Jocelyn Bell Burnell (1943-) was born in Lurgan, Co. Armagh and is now Professor of Physics at The Open University. She discovered pulsars – rapidly rotating neutron stars – in 1967 when working as a research student at Cambridge. She continues to study pulsars today.


    The two people in this pole are pointless men in an old time and will be forgotten. It's all happened before and will happen again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    William Rowan Hamilton (1805-1864), born in Dublin, became Professor of Astronomy at TCD and Royal Astronomer of Ireland [at age 21]. At the age of 9 he knew 13 languages. Hamilton introduced the terms scalar and vector into mathematics and he invented the method of quanternions as a new algebraic approach to 3-D geometry, which turned out to be the seed of much modern algebra.


    Thank you NASA, Thank you NASA, Thank you NASA.

    I rest my case.

    Actually, thanks Tar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Ruu wrote:
    Bono. \o/ :p

    /me hides from angry mob
    Don't worry, dude. I've got your back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭RiderOnTheStorm


    Tom Crean
    +1
    John Tyndall (1820-1893) was born in County Carlow, he became one of greatest scientists of 19th century. Professor of Natural Philosophy (Physics) at The Royal Institution, he did pioneering work on radiant heat, germ theory of disease, glacier motion, sound, and diffusion of light in the atmosphere. He was the first to explain how scattering of light in atmosphere causes blue colour in sky. He explained how the gases in the atmosphere trap heat and keep the earth warm. He invented the light pipe which later led to development of fibre optics.
    +1

    I am from Carlow originally, and whenever people say (as they usually do) What has Carlow ever done?, I tell them about Tyndall.......and myself ;-)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Orange69


    Phil Lynott


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,324 ✭✭✭tallus


    Eamon de Valera
    dlofnep wrote:
    lol @ stephen roche and sean kelly. "ohhh look at me, i can ride a bike". i accomplish more before breakfast than both of those two.
    Kelly was the man, Shame on you.
    I voted for Collins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭Ruen


    Eamon de Valera
    DesF wrote:
    Collins was nothing but a sell out.

    What he did was a direct cause of the troubles in the Northern part of this divided island.

    DeValera sent his best man to do the job, the brits were running scared of him, and what does he do? Gives them the North? Spineless fúcker tbh.

    Dev ftw. (not DeVore...DeValera)
    He saved this country from a fate worse than the troubles in the North, David Lloyd George had threatened to send 250,000 troops into Ireland at that stage and we wouldnt have stood a chance.
    You'll notice during the 1921 treaty negotiations that the British had their Prime Minister and all his senior negotiators including Churchill and Birkenhead yet the President of our provisional government, Eamon DeValera, was nowhere to be seen during the whole event as the big fúcking cowardly bastárd that he was knew he wouldnt stand a chance against the experienced and expert British negotiators like Churchill so the one good decision he made was to send Griffith and Collins. Spineless fúcker tbh.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Atari Jaguar
    I am from Carlow originally, and whenever people say (as they usually do) What has Carlow ever done?, I tell them about Tyndall.......and myself ;-)
    I'd say you're some craic at parties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭Lirange


    Eamon de Valera
    Just think of what would we be diving if he wouldn't revolutionise mass production and design of cars...

    What would we be diving?

    Let me think. It's on the tip of my tongue ... Erm ... Mu ..... Mufflers? Er no.

    Uh ... what was it? Ay ... I know. Muffs! :D

    Anyway voted for Colly.


  • Posts: 36,733 CMod ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jonathan Swift!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    He lived in Leixlip for a while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭Anto McC


    Eamon de Valera
    Mick was da man before there even was a man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Terry wrote:
    He lived in Leixlip for a while.


    Hamilton passed through Leixlip on his "quaternion" walk. ;)

    Behind Lidl, past the amenities centre, along the back of Crunch fitness Westmanstown, etc. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Who?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭Voodu Child


    Rory Gallagher.

    Broke his liver from drinking too much. If that's not Irish, I don't know what is...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Atari Jaguar
    humanji wrote:
    The modern IRA are drug dealers and gun runners. They're hardly the same as the IRA of the time (or was it IRB then?).



    The old IRA were not gun-runners? How do you work that out? How did they arm themselves?

    They may not have been drug-dealers, but they killed police and robbed banks and post-offices to fund their activities.

    The IRA name was coined in 1919, with the IRB and its people an integral part of the mix including National Volunteers/Irish Citizen Army which made it up. To all intents and purposes they can be considered the same.


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    loltroll!


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