Bouncer trouble

arybvtcw0eolkf · 31-07-2007 08:34PM

The doorman asked/told you to leave your drink inside. You didn't, and instead you expect him to be responsible for it "I left if in front of his eyes".

While I agree the bouncer was rude (as you describe it) but there's very good reason's why people are asked to leave drinks inside.

IMO you were in the wrong in leaving your drink in the porch, however if as you describ it is true then the doorman could have handled things alittle better I guess.

Collie D · 31-07-2007 08:39PM

Mairt wrote:

The doorman asked/told you to leave your drink inside. You didn't, and instead you expect him to be responsible for it "I left if in front of his eyes".

While I agree the bouncer was rude (as you describe it) but there's very good reason's why people are asked to leave drinks inside.

IMO you were in the wrong in leaving your drink in the porch, however if as you describ it is true then the doorman could have handled things alittle better I guess.

But if the porch wasn't good enough the bouncer could have told her and then if she refused he could refuse to let her back in.

thefinalstage · 31-07-2007 09:38PM

Cailinor wrote:

sorry about this being in the wrong forum, i really only started using this boards lark yesterday, and still getting the hang of it:) very addictive!

no you're totally right though about <snip>, it's definitely not a place where procedures are strictly adhered to;P but i kinda like the way it's so laid back, just drink from bottles in future!

and whats this about not telling the full story?

My comments mean nothing really. Its just a little after hours contest of who says it first. I won (for once)

blow69 · 01-08-2007 12:19AM

Maybe the bouncer was having his period! They all seem to be having their period's 24/7. Im so sick of them even though i never really ever have trouble from them.They just get a kick out of ruining night outs!

nesf · 01-08-2007 12:40AM

Dragan wrote:

If you want to help out the e-mail your local T.D to let them know about the matter. If enough people do it the relevant people and departments will receive more funding and we can sort the scene out quicker.

Will licensing actually help root out the bad ones though? It'll mean better trained guys on the doors (which is a really good thing) but a lot of it is down to personality rather than training at the end of the day.

SpAcEd OuT · 01-08-2007 01:04AM

Jesus I honestly don't know why bouncers seem to get so much abuse on these forums, don't think I have ever had any hassle whatsoever with bouncers. Remember there the ones that ensure that the type of scum who would bottle you in an instant are kept out. I honestly think people don't realise just how much ****e bouncers have to put up with.

Are the people who hate bouncers the same people who always get refused because its hardly the bouncers fault if you look like a scumbag.

Dragan · 01-08-2007 07:57AM

nesf wrote:

Will licensing actually help root out the bad ones though? It'll mean better trained guys on the doors (which is a really good thing) but a lot of it is down to personality rather than training at the end of the day.

I believe it will work. It will be possible to make complaints to someone OTHER than the manager of the pub, or the head doorman, who often times will be biased.

As such, complaints will be checked out by the PSA and ISTA, and if they check out then licence will be revoked and jobs will be lost. Thats a pretty good reason to behave oneself on the door.

I am actually really tempted to do a big post about what people should really expect from doorstaff, the best way to handle any situation and also the best way to act.

Because no offence, while i often agree with a small part of the stories in all these bouncer bashing threads, often times the people who chime in after have stories where they are just being cocks, and need to understand that bouncers have "dick rules" and if you break them then your gone!

connundrum · 01-08-2007 09:06AM

Dragan wrote:

I am actually really tempted to do a big post about what people should really expect from doorstaff, the best way to handle any situation and also the best way to act.

I'll print this post out, frame it and hang it beside the front door. No actually outside the front door, so that the 'ejected' may read it and understand why they find themselves outside in the first place. If you wouldn't mind translating it into Spanish and Polish, that'd be great

cooperguy · 01-08-2007 09:19AM

Ya the ID card thing will work unless of coarse they point blank refuse to show it to you. Which I can see happening very easily

BaZmO* · 01-08-2007 09:23AM

Dragan wrote:

I am actually really tempted to do a big post about what people should really expect from doorstaff, the best way to handle any situation and also the best way to act.

There's no need to really. The main reason why a lot of people get attitude from Bouncers is because they've started to give attitude first or they've had way too much drink. And the next day they have very selective memories as to why, in their eyes, they have been treated so badly the night before.

Generally I've found most bouncers to be sound but just like any profession I've met some d1ckheads too.

Anybody watching that programme about Bouncers that has been running on ITV for the last couple of weeks? It was on last night. They really do have to put up some nonsense, but I suppose that's alcohol for ya!

BKtje · 01-08-2007 10:00AM

I've actually been turned away from places more often when im sober (or had 1/2) then when im hammered. I can never understand that (unless the place is obviously full ofc).

I have to agree though, majority of bouncers are dead on.

BaZmO* · 01-08-2007 10:11AM

B-K-DzR wrote:

I've actually been turned away from places more often when im sober (or had 1/2) then when im hammered. I can never understand that (unless the place is obviously full ofc).

Maybe you're a bigger dick when you're sober?

Or maybe you are turned away more when you're hammered but you're just too hammered to remember?

Cailinor · 01-08-2007 11:09AM

Mairt wrote:

The doorman asked/told you to leave your drink inside. You didn't, and instead you expect him to be responsible for it "I left if in front of his eyes".

While I agree the bouncer was rude (as you describe it) but there's very good reason's why people are asked to leave drinks inside.

IMO you were in the wrong in leaving your drink in the porch, however if as you describ it is true then the doorman could have handled things alittle better I guess.

Well the way i see it, the porch was kinda inside:P i mean you had to get past the bouncer to get inside the porch, and there was another drink there too (there is the possibility that it was his own>?) and no i wasn't expecting him to be responsible for it at all, just because i did it in front of him. no what i meant was that he saw me putting my drink there and didn't say anything!
and sure if it was a problem, he should have said it there and then and i would have put it somewhere else no problem!

griffdaddy · 01-08-2007 01:47PM

you should go back in a few nights and throw acid in his face, that'll teach him to be moody cúnt, and it'll send a message out to other bouncers not to be moody cúnts.

Or you could just forget it and get on with life, there's plenty of more drink to be drank in many different places.

On this topic in general though, it really annoys me how the clubs in Ireland try to make you feel like it's a fúcking honour that you're being let in at all. I wish they'd remember that it's the punter who's giving them €50+ of custom that night, and treat them a little better. In lots of places around Europe they're fully aware of this, and try as hard as they can to get people in, not keep them out or create artificial queues or any shít like that.

Cailinor · 01-08-2007 02:08PM

griffdaddy wrote:

you should go back in a few nights and throw acid in his face, that'll teach him to be moody cúnt, and it'll send a message out to other bouncers not to be moody cúnts.
Or you could just forget it and get on with life, there's plenty of more drink to be drank in many different places.
On this topic in general though, it really annoys me how the clubs in Ireland try to make you feel like it's a fúcking honour that you're being let in at all. I wish they'd remember that it's the punter who's giving them €50+ of custom that night, and treat them a little better. In lots of places around Europe they're fully aware of this, and try as hard as they can to get people in, not keep them out or create artificial queues or any shít like that.

you're totally right (not about the acid thought;) i got it out of my system as soon as i had it typed. this thread is the only thing really keeping it alive!

but yeah it is ridiculous the way we are made to feel like they are doing us a favour for letting us pay them stupendous amounts of cash in their pub/clubs:eek:

BKtje · 01-08-2007 02:58PM

I agree that the attitude of some places sucks (cant always blame the bouncer, sometimes they told who to let in and what to do in certain cases).

Maybe you're a bigger dick when you're sober?

Or maybe you are turned away more when you're hammered but you're just too hammered to remember?

Yeah maybe i mellow out with a few drinks or maybe they don't like sober people around their establishment annoying all the drunk people with coherant talk and sensible dancing

I don't regularly get drunk enough to not remember stuff. I generally know my limits and hate the feeling when your stumbling around/feeling like ****.

Dragan · 01-08-2007 03:01PM

Cailinor wrote:

but yeah it is ridiculous the way we are made to feel like they are doing us a favour for letting us pay them stupendous amounts of cash in their pub/clubs:eek:

They are doing you a favour. You want drink, the license holder has the right to allow or refuse anyone into his place based on house rules.

If you don't like a certain place for any reason then go somewhere else?

nesf · 01-08-2007 03:02PM

Dragan wrote:

I believe it will work. It will be possible to make complaints to someone OTHER than the manager of the pub, or the head doorman, who often times will be biased.

As such, complaints will be checked out by the PSA and ISTA, and if they check out then licence will be revoked and jobs will be lost. Thats a pretty good reason to behave oneself on the door.

That side of it will work great, if people actually complain to the PSA etc. Which means people need to be informed, which I haven't seen happen yet. Doing this will mean plenty of bull**** complaints being put to the PSA though.

Dragan wrote:

I am actually really tempted to do a big post about what people should really expect from doorstaff, the best way to handle any situation and also the best way to act.

Do please. It'd be an education for some of the people here.

Dragan wrote:

Because no offence, while i often agree with a small part of the stories in all these bouncer bashing threads, often times the people who chime in after have stories where they are just being cocks, and need to understand that bouncers have "dick rules" and if you break them then your gone!

Most of the threads here are people venting about their worst experience, most of them (I hope) don't confuse their worst experiences as being typical of bouncers as a whole.

mickoneill30 · 01-08-2007 03:09PM

griffdaddy wrote:

y
On this topic in general though, it really annoys me how the clubs in Ireland try to make you feel like it's a fúcking honour that you're being let in at all.

Ah it's not just Ireland. I used to get it in Sydney. E.g. group of 8 blokes going into one place. They let 7 in and tell the 8 guy that it's a private party. I've no problems with it though. I just make it a policy never to darken their doors again even when they're quiet and would need the business. There are plenty of places willing to take my money for their booze.

Cailinor · 01-08-2007 03:19PM

Dragan wrote:

They are doing you a favour. You want drink, the license holder has the right to allow or refuse anyone into his place based on house rules.

If you don't like a certain place for any reason then go somewhere else?

Well actually we do them a favour by giving them our custom that provokes the need for such a licence! favour my ass, irish pubs are making mean money out of us. i know i know taxes etc but it is incredible the prices we are charged for entry or a drink these days in dublin and ireland. it is pure exploitation.

nesf · 01-08-2007 03:28PM

Cailinor wrote:

Well actually we do them a favour by giving them our custom that provokes the need for such a licence! favour my ass, irish pubs are making mean money out of us. i know i know taxes etc but it is incredible the prices we are charged for entry or a drink these days in dublin and ireland. it is pure exploitation.

It works both ways because of the nature of the business.

Dragan · 01-08-2007 03:33PM

Cailinor wrote:

Well actually we do them a favour by giving them our custom that provokes the need for such a licence! favour my ass, irish pubs are making mean money out of us. i know i know taxes etc but it is incredible the prices we are charged for entry or a drink these days in dublin and ireland. it is pure exploitation.

Hmmmm.....if somebody provides a service and the price is clearly explained to you and you choose to pay it, thats is hardly exploitation.

You are told at the door what the charge is, and drink prices should be clearly displayed.

Don't get me wrong, i feel the scene is very expensive as well, but the simple fact is that when i am going out i am accepting this and trading it against having a fun night.

The simple fact is that there are too many consumers who are willing to do what you do. Bitch about things but pay anyway. Either take the action you can take, which is avoid the scene or pubs you don't like, or put on your dancing shoes and get your I.D ready.

01-08-2007 03:48PM

Cailinor wrote:

I was out on saturday night in the centre, and i had a bit of trouble with a bouncer...

Next time don't double dribble?

Cailinor · 01-08-2007 03:58PM

Dragan wrote:

Hmmmm.....if somebody provides a service and the price is clearly explained to you and you choose to pay it, thats is hardly exploitation.

Well i'd have to disagree, it doesn't matter that we know how much their service and price is, they are just blatently telling us how much they are exploiting us;)
and yeah we could go somewhere else, but there really isnt that much difference from pub to pub.
As a nation they tell us the price and we don't question it, grr! and sure i know what you're saying trading off for a fun night but it's not a fun week afterwards looking at your wallet!
Over the last year i have indeed been boycotting the pubs and clubs instead opting for more and more nights in with friends and drinks these days, but everynow and then you do need to get out there.

Dragan · 01-08-2007 04:43PM

Cailinor wrote:

As a nation they tell us the price and we don't question it, grr! and sure i know what you're saying trading off for a fun night but it's not a fun week afterwards looking at your wallet!

So don't spend as much?

Non of the issues you have brought up are really that difficult to control.

It like if you go into a shop the sells clothes. You are aware how much something costs and it's affect on your finances.

Why does alchohol and alchohol related socialising seem to differ?

tallus · 01-08-2007 05:10PM

Ahh dammit OP, I thought you were looking for Psybnc help

Cailinor · 02-08-2007 11:23AM

Dragan wrote:

So don't spend as much?

Non of the issues you have brought up are really that difficult to control.

It like if you go into a shop the sells clothes. You are aware how much something costs and it's affect on your finances.

Why does alchohol and alchohol related socialising seem to differ?

Well clothes are essential first of all:) you need to buy them! but with clothes you also have the option of going somewhere majorly expensive or seriously cheap, there are options and competition whereas with a night out, there is not really that much variation from place to place.

and i know i know i have a choice in how much i spend, but look all i am saying is that i do think prices are ridiculous in ireland for drinking. go abroad and you feel like a millionaire. sure even our homemade stuff such as baileys and whiskey are over half the price when you go away, it's just madness and a bit of a joke!

DemonOfTheFall · 02-08-2007 11:36AM

Write a letter to the owner/manager. Ring them a week later following it up and ask have the cautioned him. Let them know you won't be back if they haven't. Can't do much more than that.

A lot of bouncers are petty bástards who need a reality check to realise they're unskilled labour, not gods.

DemonOfTheFall · 02-08-2007 11:36AM

tallus wrote:

Ahh dammit OP, I thought you were looking for Psybnc help

I Lolled

BaZmO* · 02-08-2007 11:37AM

Cailinor wrote:

there are options and competition whereas with a night out, there is not really that much variation from place to place.

And the reason for that is because Irish people continue to put up with it by flocking to these places and spending their hard-earned (debatable) cash in spite of cráp service and extortionate prices.

It reminds of when Neil Young was touring a couple of years ago doing intimate gigs in small venues charging ridiculous amounts. Tickets in Ireland sold out within minutes, whereas in Germany the gigs were boycotted due to the cost of tickets. Now that's real people power.

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